CA Proposition 23 - Global Warming

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RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#5279 Oct 3, 2012
MITT DOLEWATER wrote:
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how did Obama tank the economy??!!
Obama made things worse. Obama did inherit a mess. But three years later, real income is lower, there are fewer jobs in America, and the U.S. government has trillions more in debt.

Stop babbling about jobs added, more people are not even counted for Unemployment because they no long look for work.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics there were a total of 133,563,000 people working in January of 2009, as of December 2011 there are 131,900,000 meaning that there are 1,663,000 less people working than when Obama took office. Actually this understates the problem. In order to keep pace with the population growth we need to be adding about 100,000 jobs/month or 3,600,000 jobs during Obama's tenure, so technically we need to add approximately 5,263,000 jobs for Obama to get employment to the point of which he took over.

The U.S. economy's growth will slow this year after a blast of stronger growth in late 2011, leaving the 8.5% unemployment rate about where it is now on Election Day, according to USA TODAY's quarterly survey of economists.

The biggest reason for slower growth is that a late-2011 bounce back from the effects of the Japanese earthquake last March won't last, according to Diane Swonk, chief economist at Mesirow Financial. Slower growth will help keep unemployment at 8.4% or higher through year's end, economists predict.

Hey, waitaminuteódidnít President Obama say that the earthquake in Japan HURT the US economy? Didnít he use it as an excuse for why the stimulus didnít work?
Flute

Covina, CA

#5280 Oct 3, 2012
Was that a all metal or wood one?
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#5281 Oct 3, 2012
MITT DOLEWATER wrote:
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jim leher, high preist of presidential debates and known liberal, will be moderating the debate.
you are ruined.
Mitt
wow same name as Romney's. And almost like Bob Dole for the last part. I agree the debate will favor the great obama with the boring bolshevik jim leher in charge. What does that say about being fair elections here?

Riccardo
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#5282 Oct 3, 2012
Employment is still deeply depressed. Obama's defense of the economy rests on his claim that it has created 4.3 million jobs over the last 27 months, and 800,000 so far this year. That's true, but selective. The "last 27 months" dates the count to March of 2010--the month employment bottomed out--making the gain look larger than if you picked another starting point. Since the beginning of 2008, for example, which is around the time the recession began, the economy has lost more than five million jobs. If the economy had been growing at a normal rate, an additional six or seven million people might be working today.
Narco

Covina, CA

#5283 Oct 3, 2012
Why wait any longer just drive yourself on down and surrender.

We have a padded cell all ready for you.
MITT DOLEWATER

Anderson, CA

#5284 Oct 3, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Mitt
wow same name as Romney's. And almost like Bob Dole for the last part. I agree the debate will favor the great obama with the boring bolshevik jim leher in charge. What does that say about being fair elections here?
Riccardo
listen all I know is romney represents the 1 percent.....

giving the wealthy tax breaks, thinking they will reivest the money somehow...we tried that, it didnt work.

yes job growth is sluggish....

that is the reason why Obama tried to get the economy moving again with the stim.....it wasnt a panacea, but is that what you folks on the right were expecting after handing obama an economy that was shedding about 700000 jobs a month???

it is like you expect the economy to be fully up and running, so you can wreck it again???

if it WAS fully up and running?? and unemployment was much lower??

youd still be taking issue with the economy somehow...

no elections arnt fair...

look at what the supream court did in 2000....they stopped the recount.

ill bet you were crying foul then???(NOT)

or when bush stole Ohio with the help of diebold??

that decided the election...

im sure you were all flustered then.

Obama squarly whopped McCain by almost double the electoral votes.

and he is about to do it again(mabey not double) to Romney

ryan wouldnt even get into the specifics of their tax plan with friendly fox news host chris wallace?? wallace sounded like a lib for a second when he was grilling him didnt he???

jim leher is going to ask some very unbolshevik questions, like would you like to clarify that remark about th people who dont vote for you???

or here is one??

how many jobs have you shipped to communist china??

is that too bolshevik for ya??

or where are your tax returns??? how much money have you offshored in the caymans and switzerland??

or ?? do you really think tax cuts for the wealthy will help the middle class and poor.
???

that is about as revolutionary as jim is inclned to get.

and in the end, the american voters are just still getting to know what romney and ryan stand for....

they still havnt devulged THAT many specifics(as we saw on fox)

ps: didnt bush bailout wall st to the tune of 700 billion??

your tea party logic doesnt stand up to reality.
MITT DOLEWATER

Anderson, CA

#5285 Oct 3, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
Employment is still deeply depressed. Obama's defense of the economy rests on his claim that it has created 4.3 million jobs over the last 27 months, and 800,000 so far this year. That's true, but selective. The "last 27 months" dates the count to March of 2010--the month employment bottomed out--making the gain look larger than if you picked another starting point. Since the beginning of 2008, for example, which is around the time the recession began, the economy has lost more than five million jobs. If the economy had been growing at a normal rate, an additional six or seven million people might be working today.
bailing out wall st. alone wouldnt have stopped the hemmoraging of 700000 jobs a month....

just that Obama was able to turn it around and keep the economy from falling off a cliff was good enough for alot of people, obviously not those who couldnt find work.

but the mismanegment was so gross an so severe during bush cheney, that a full recovery in 4 years, seemed unlikely.

it took bill clinton into his second term to REALLY turn things around.....but then again the bush 1 recession wasnt nearly as deep as the bush deux recesssion.

I was amazing!! at 22 I couldnt find a job and I DIDNT blame george hw bush.

but I knew things would be better off if we elected a democrat...

which we did. and it got better

trickle down doesnt really work very well, you have to include direct capital injection, so the middle class has some PPP.(purchasing power)

Since: Sep 10

Perris, CA

#5286 Oct 3, 2012
mitt goldwater wrote:
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right!!!
yet Obama leads romney overall by 5 to 8 points.
and Obama has signifigant leads with you latinos.
and women.
bush left us a free falling economy, with huge monthly job losses of around 3 quarters of a million.
and Obama is just the janitor president, cleaning up after the party.
the pigs fed at the trough(during bush and beyond), now they have offshored 32 trillion.
weve had 30 months of continous(yet meager) job growth....
ill take meager over freefall, fool.
the facts just simply dont support your agruement, as the dow is in the mid 13000's!!
we are still recovering from the worst recession of our times, brought to you by BUSH.
he really left his mark on this nation.
your are just sore because you know this weak candidate(romney) is going down in flames, taking much of the party with him.
better luck in 16', youll need it.
....ignore this person, he has absolutely no idea!! watches the government run media, with "fixed" polls, "cooked" data, and in the tank for obama!! if you read the truth, you would know most of the polls are done by bias,(dems) with a plus 10 or minus 12% percent in fav of the dems......yes that's what is said.....propaganda at its best!...btw, will you settle for a job that pays $10 an hour, or $10 a month? that's the job growth in the u.s. today!!

Since: Sep 10

Perris, CA

#5287 Oct 3, 2012
Gulags wrote:
Another gulag prison is in Willard Mitt Romney's plans.
...so confused!! that would be for your traitor obama and the socialist party.....
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#5288 Oct 3, 2012
MITT DOLEWATER wrote:
<quoted text>
listen all I know is romney represents the 1 percent.....
giving the wealthy tax breaks, thinking they will reivest the money somehow...we tried that, it didnt work.
yes job growth is sluggish....
that is the reason why Obama tried to get the economy moving again with the stim.....
Show me a link to a statement that Romney will give wealthy tax breaks? Actually Mitt Romney suggests that one way to pay for his 20 percent cut in the tax rate is to limit itemized deductions to $17,000. For those, like himself, who itemize millions, it's a big hit.

So the great obama tried. That is his claim to fame, "he tried". By God he tried, isn't that enough to vote him back? lol...how funny...."he tried". In other words he didn't have a clue, giving money to his rich friends didn't work. How alarming. lol..
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#5289 Oct 3, 2012
jondee wrote:
<quoted text>....ignore this person, he has absolutely no idea!! watches the government run media, with "fixed" polls, "cooked" data, and in the tank for obama!! if you read the truth, you would know most of the polls are done by bias,(dems) with a plus 10 or minus 12% percent in fav of the dems......yes that's what is said.....propaganda at its best!...btw, will you settle for a job that pays $10 an hour, or $10 a month? that's the job growth in the u.s. today!!
Thanks jondee, I agree, he can't answer questions, never has a link or actual quotes, makes up stuff he hears from some racist rev.'s. and responds with 20 questions unrelated to the post written up and down with double spacing to occupy. I'm sure he was part of that loser movement too.

Riccardo
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#5290 Oct 3, 2012
MITT DOLEWATER wrote:
<quoted text>

it took bill clinton into his second term to REALLY turn things around....
The recession Clinton inherited was relatively small, and caused by the Fed raising interest rates too high to ward off inflation.

The recession Clinton inherited? What recession?

According to the National Bureau of Economic Research - the group charged with determining the official start and end dates for such things - the early '90s recession ending in March 1991. As the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis website indicates, the gross domestic product grew by 2.7 percent in the 2nd quarter of that year, followed by gains of 1.7 and 1.6 percent in the remaining quarters.

And that's when things really started cooking, for the first quarter of 1992 saw a GDP rise of 4.5 percent followed by 4.3, 4.2, and 4.3 percent in the subsequent quarters.

As such, when Clinton took office, quite contrary to what his former labor secretary might think, the economy was booming.
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#5291 Oct 3, 2012
MITT DOLEWATER wrote:
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how many jobs have you shipped to communist china??


Obama saves GM for China?
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#5292 Oct 3, 2012
Obama Administration Outsourced Jobs with Stimulus Funding

Obamaís 2009 economic stimulus spending law--the $787 billion American Recovery and Reivnestment Act--gave millions of federal dollars to foreign companies or funded domestic companies that built factories in foreign countries or bought foreign products.

Obama administration funding foreign companies is a $337 million loan guarantee from the Department of Energyís green energy lending program.

That loan went to California energy firm Sempra Energy for a solar power array in Arizona. However, according to a Feb. 4, 2011 New York Times report, Sempra Energy bought its solar panels from the Chinese firm Suntech.

The project, known as Mesquite Solar 1, reportedly used 800,000 of the Chinese solar panels.

Perhaps the best-known example of Obama administration funding of foreign companies is its $500-million loan guarantee to Finnish automaker Fisker Automotive. That loan, part of the Energy Departmentís electric vehicle lending program, was made to help Fisker establish a U.S. manufacturing presence.

However, the company never established an American factory, choosing instead to shutter its U.S. operations and continue building cars in Finland.
Narco

Covina, CA

#5293 Oct 3, 2012
Just another day on the job, always got to clean your weapon from it being fired so much, while on duty..
MITT DOLEWATER

Anderson, CA

#5294 Oct 3, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text> The recession Clinton inherited was relatively small, and caused by the Fed raising interest rates too high to ward off inflation.
The recession Clinton inherited? What recession?
According to the National Bureau of Economic Research - the group charged with determining the official start and end dates for such things - the early '90s recession ending in March 1991. As the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis website indicates, the gross domestic product grew by 2.7 percent in the 2nd quarter of that year, followed by gains of 1.7 and 1.6 percent in the remaining quarters.
And that's when things really started cooking, for the first quarter of 1992 saw a GDP rise of 4.5 percent followed by 4.3, 4.2, and 4.3 percent in the subsequent quarters.
As such, when Clinton took office, quite contrary to what his former labor secretary might think, the economy was booming.
I agree that that recession was technically ending when clinton beat the stuffin outa bush.

but unemployment got to 7.5% in that recession.

almost what it is now??/

and you keep calling the economy horrible??

we did then too, and threw bush out.

it was an actual recession, trust me, I was there.

dont you remember the s& l debaucle??

bush number 1 bailed out the banks to the tune of 200 million.

MITT DOLEWATER

Anderson, CA

#5295 Oct 3, 2012
200 billion I mean
MITT DOLEWATER

Anderson, CA

#5296 Oct 3, 2012
jondee wrote:
<quoted text>....ignore this person, he has absolutely no idea!! watches the government run media, with "fixed" polls, "cooked" data, and in the tank for obama!! if you read the truth, you would know most of the polls are done by bias,(dems) with a plus 10 or minus 12% percent in fav of the dems......yes that's what is said.....propaganda at its best!...btw, will you settle for a job that pays $10 an hour, or $10 a month? that's the job growth in the u.s. today!!
the more I write??

the more you rebuttlickers respond?/

I wonder why?

polls dont lie, usually they are correct.

now romney has rebranded himself in the debate to the center.

he took the president by suprise..

but Obama responded and called him out.

romneys base(if you could call them) are appauled by what he said about not lowering taxes on the wealthy.

he just cant win....
the right wing will howl for blood.
Chris Yaknow

Fairfield, CA

#5297 Oct 3, 2012
Yeah, whatever!
Mitty

San Francisco, CA

#5298 Oct 3, 2012
Polls lay!

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