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jmdammit

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Mar 3, 2013
 
Regarding the titie of this thread,I supported Jack Wagner.He doesn't cause global warming.
jmdammit

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As to global warming,in the winter of '76-'77,climate experts were warning of a new iceage.in the 1400's 99.9% of scientists were sure the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.The earth has been thru warming and cooling cycles for millions of years.At one time there were palm trees in Greenland,at another there were glaciers in Mexico.Manmade global warming? We may contribute,but cause it? There may be consensus on the THEORY,but not on it as a fact.

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jmdammit wrote:
As to global warming,in the winter of '76-'77,climate experts were warning of a new iceage.in the 1400's 99.9% of scientists were sure the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.The earth has been thru warming and cooling cycles for millions of years.At one time there were palm trees in Greenland,at another there were glaciers in Mexico.Manmade global warming? We may contribute,but cause it? There may be consensus on the THEORY,but not on it as a fact.
In the 1970s there were a few articles saying the world was cooling based on some cooling from pollution in the atmosphere. It was not the consensus of 99% of climate scientists based on broad, comprehensive, overwhelming evidence like we have today.

Any "scientists" who believed the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth abandoned that belief in the face of evidence disproving it. Within several decades, no scientists believed that anymore.

The earth has warmed and cooled in the past due to natural events. The scientific evidence shows that. That doesn't change that the scientific evidence today shows that it's warming due to the actions of humans.

Getting hung up on the word "theory" reveals your ignorance of science. Man-made global warming is as close to a fact as you get in science.
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Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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In the 1970s there were a few articles saying the world was cooling based on some cooling from pollution in the atmosphere. It was not the consensus of 99% of climate scientists based on broad, comprehensive, overwhelming evidence like we have today.
Any "scientists" who believed the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth abandoned that belief in the face of evidence disproving it. Within several decades, no scientists believed that anymore.
The earth has warmed and cooled in the past due to natural events. The scientific evidence shows that. That doesn't change that the scientific evidence today shows that it's warming due to the actions of humans.
Getting hung up on the word "theory" reveals your ignorance of science. Man-made global warming is as close to a fact as you get in science.
"as CLOSE to a fact AS YOU GET in SCIENCE." I was educated to believe that science was about proven facts,not CLOSE TO A FACT.

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jmdammit wrote:
<quoted text>"as CLOSE to a fact AS YOU GET in SCIENCE." I was educated to believe that science was about proven facts,not CLOSE TO A FACT.
Then you were miseducated.
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Never heard of them....
Why am I not surprised?
jmdammit

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#47753
Mar 3, 2013
 
Back to the original thread,global warming isn't Jack Wagner's fault.

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jmdammit wrote:
<quoted text>"as CLOSE to a fact AS YOU GET in SCIENCE." I was educated to believe that science was about proven facts,not CLOSE TO A FACT.
Here's an opportunity for you to become more educated...

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Definitions of Fact, Theory, and Law in Scientific Work

Science uses specialized terms that have different meanings than everyday usage. These definitions correspond to the way scientists typically use these terms in the context of their work. Note, especially, that the meaning of “theory” in science is different than the meaning of “theory” in everyday conversation.

- Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow.

- Hypothesis: A tentative statement about the natural world leading to deductions that can be tested. If the deductions are verified, the hypothesis is provisionally corroborated. If the deductions are incorrect, the original hypothesis is proved false and must be abandoned or modified. Hypotheses can be used to build more complex inferences and explanations.

- Law: A descriptive generalization about how some aspect of the natural world behaves under stated circumstances.

- Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.

http://ncse.com/evolution/education/definitio...

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John Galt wrote:
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It may seem like an email address is required, but it is not.
But knock yourself out if this is of critical importance to you.
It is of importance to me. After the new budget was put into place last year in PA and all the funding for programs that helped out the needy and those in poverty had to be cut almost to nothing,while the programs and funding going to those in bed with The Governor and republican interest all staid in tact and got more funding. Now to also use a web based tax payer funded website to spread republican propaganda and a agenda is unlawful and makes me sick. I would be just as sick if a Independent or democrat was doing the same. It is the principle that matters to me, not the bi-partisan bullshit.
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Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Here's an opportunity for you to become more educated...
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Definitions of Fact, Theory, and Law in Scientific Work
Science uses specialized terms that have different meanings than everyday usage. These definitions correspond to the way scientists typically use these terms in the context of their work. Note, especially, that the meaning of “theory” in science is different than the meaning of “theory” in everyday conversation.
- Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow.
- Hypothesis: A tentative statement about the natural world leading to deductions that can be tested. If the deductions are verified, the hypothesis is provisionally corroborated. If the deductions are incorrect, the original hypothesis is proved false and must be abandoned or modified. Hypotheses can be used to build more complex inferences and explanations.
- Law: A descriptive generalization about how some aspect of the natural world behaves under stated circumstances.
- Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.
http://ncse.com/evolution/education/definitio...
Still just a theory,albeit a widely accepted one.Much like the Big Bang THEORY.I'm not disagreeing with your theory,just pointing out that it's not proven FACT.and it's still not Jack Wagner's fault.

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jmdammit wrote:
<quoted text>Still just a theory,albeit a widely accepted one.Much like the Big Bang THEORY.I'm not disagreeing with your theory,just pointing out that it's not proven FACT.and it's still not Jack Wagner's fault.
Do you hold similar doubts about the THEORY of gravity?

In science, a theory is the highest form of proof you can get.
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Punk215 wrote:
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It is of importance to me. After the new budget was put into place last year in PA and all the funding for programs that helped out the needy and those in poverty had to be cut almost to nothing,while the programs and funding going to those in bed with The Governor and republican interest all staid in tact and got more funding. Now to also use a web based tax payer funded website to spread republican propaganda and a agenda is unlawful and makes me sick. I would be just as sick if a Independent or democrat was doing the same. It is the principle that matters to me, not the bi-partisan bullshit.
If you look at the personal data section of the unemployment website, the email address is clearly listed as "optional."

You can go in and delete the email address any time you want.

Stop bitching and delete the address if you don't want the messages.
John Galt

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Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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When it's due to solar activity, we'll blame the sun.
But when it's due to the activities of humans, we blame the humans.
See, that's what rational, intelligent people who believe in science do - we blame the thing that actually causes the phenomenon instead of denying objective, verifiable reality.
So, what is your solution?

Stop breathing?
John Galt

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Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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When it's due to solar activity, we'll blame the sun.
But when it's due to the activities of humans, we blame the humans.
See, that's what rational, intelligent people who believe in science do - we blame the thing that actually causes the phenomenon instead of denying objective, verifiable reality.
If solar activity is at fault, what is your solution?
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Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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The earth has warmed and cooled in the past due to natural events. The scientific evidence shows that. That doesn't change that the scientific evidence today shows that it's warming due to the actions of humans.
If natural events caused warming and cooling in the past, why is today different?

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John Galt wrote:
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If solar activity is at fault, what is your solution?
Solar activity isn't at fault. Human pollution is.
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Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Do you hold similar doubts about the THEORY of gravity?
In science, a theory is the highest form of proof you can get.
Gravity is a law, not a theory.

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John Galt wrote:
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If natural events caused warming and cooling in the past, why is today different?
Wow, you really don't have any idea what you're talking about AT ALL. You just jump right into a debate know knowing ANYTHING about the basic facts.

When the globe warmed in the past due to natural causes, those causes were identified. It didn't just happen without explanation. People understand why it happened and what was behind it. And those factors aren't at work today.

The globe is warming today because of increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. The source of that CO2 is human activity. There is no debate about this. It is proven fact.

When you know as little as you do about the basic facts, you really ought to do yourself a favor and not embarrass yourself by trying to debate something you know nothing about.

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John Galt wrote:
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Gravity is a law, not a theory.
You sure?

http://thehappyscientist.com/science-experime...
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Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Do you hold similar doubts about the THEORY of gravity?
In science, a theory is the highest form of proof you can get.
No,Fact is the highest form.The earth is round and rotates around the sun.A proven FACT.Manmade global warming is a theory.And it's still not Jack Wagner's fault.Of course,this is just a theoy.If enough people research it and form a consensus,it just might be Jack's fault.

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