LBUSD pink slips hit hard

LBUSD pink slips hit hard

There are 80 comments on the Long Beach Press-Telegram story from Aug 3, 2010, titled LBUSD pink slips hit hard. In it, Long Beach Press-Telegram reports that:

Millikan High and Hudson K-8 lost the most teachers and student support staff as a result of layoffs at the Long Beach Unified School District this year, according to district records.

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meggafish

Cerritos, CA

#2 Aug 3, 2010
How can we let the military-industrial complex purloin trillions of dollars, most of which are misspent, while laying off teachers? Why do we have so few federal food inspectors and so many local food inspectors? Why does Long Beach have a drug task force, while teachers are being laid off? Why are there so many ABC inspectors while we lay teachers off? Why do we spend trillions on Homeland Security while we lay teachers off? How did a trailer park boy like Bill Clinton become rich enough for the wedding of the century? These, and other questions need to be asked
lbusd teacher too

Los Angeles, CA

#3 Aug 4, 2010
Once again, Mr. Butler misses the point in the meaning of the word news. It simply means reporting something that is new. A scorecard on the number of teachers that were laid off at each site is not a news story. Please refrain from writing further stories about LBUSD until something really new occurs
Watch Them

Hermosa Beach, CA

#4 Aug 4, 2010
meggafish wrote:
How can we let the military-industrial complex purloin trillions of dollars, most of which are misspent, while laying off teachers? Why do we have so few federal food inspectors and so many local food inspectors? Why does Long Beach have a drug task force, while teachers are being laid off? Why are there so many ABC inspectors while we lay teachers off? Why do we spend trillions on Homeland Security while we lay teachers off? How did a trailer park boy like Bill Clinton become rich enough for the wedding of the century? These, and other questions need to be asked
Best you go back to school and take government course again. We have several levels of government in the U.S. and each acts independently.
Coincidence

Seal Beach, CA

#5 Aug 4, 2010
It must be just a coincidence that the LBUSD schools located in the most affluent areas have the least number of teacher layoffs and the schools with the highest percentage of low income students have the most number of teacher layoffs.

LBUSD List of Schools:
http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2009Base_Ds...
Jeffrey1234

Pasadena, CA

#6 Aug 4, 2010
Teachers and principals are so overpaid that alone is the reason for layoffs. They would only make half of their salary if they worked in the private/business sector.
JDF

Hermosa Beach, CA

#7 Aug 4, 2010
WOW.. i thought the lotto protected the schools, i guess it pays politicians or governors more pocket money ? maybe to put money in the illegal immigrants pocket that swarm over here thru the gaping hole in the fences we leave wide open.. lets fix the fences ! and put our teachers back to work..
Jake

Arvin, CA

#8 Aug 4, 2010
Maggafish is right in asking these questions. The administration supports schools but not helping educate the children. So much money spent elsewhere. Yes, there are many levels of government but each level decides where to spend the money. We are educating foreigners, giving them meals, medical and housing not to mention teching them english in the schools. Now we don't have money for our own students. So Meggafish is correct in bringing up these questions and unless we all complain only our taxes will be higher and we all will have less.
Watch Them wrote:
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Best you go back to school and take government course again. We have several levels of government in the U.S. and each acts independently.
Simpleton

Redondo Beach, CA

#9 Aug 4, 2010
Coincidence wrote:
It must be just a coincidence that the LBUSD schools located in the most affluent areas have the least number of teacher layoffs and the schools with the highest percentage of low income students have the most number of teacher layoffs.
LBUSD List of Schools:
http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2009Base_Ds...
Teacher layoffs are primarily based on seniority. So your question "why are more layoffs in less affluent schools?" could be rephrased as "why do less affluent schools have teachers with less seniority?". Now lets think like ordinary human beings. Whatever our profession, we want to be successful. We want to be wanted. We want to think we are making a positive impact.

Some cultures value education a lot more than others. Some cultures treat teachers with a great deal of respect, push their children to do well and impart that culture on their children with support and discipline. Other cultures view education indifferently. It is required by the state, so they put their kids in school with no expectation of achievement, and no support or discipline.

If you were a teacher worth your salt, where would you want to teach? Even teachers vote with their feet.
Curious Cat

Long Beach, CA

#10 Aug 4, 2010
And how many long-term substitute and temporary contract teachers were lost? These numbers are low because they don't need to be laid off, just not given a new contract.

And anyone who thinks teachers are overpaid needs to spend some time in the classroom. Remember that any homework given has to be graded, and those grades recorded. Multiply that by 175, and you have more than a full day's work.
Coincidence

Seal Beach, CA

#13 Aug 4, 2010
Could it be that LBUSD doesn't want the public to know their dirty little secret -- teachers with seniority take the plumb positions in affluent LBUSD schools with the fewest number of minority and poor (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged) students? Hence, the evidence below shows that most teacher layoffs occurred disproportionately in schools with large numbers of minority/poor students and illustrates institutional racism within LBUSD.

LBUSD Layoffs (Number of Socioeconomically Disadvantaged Students):

Regional Occupational Program -- 19
Hudson K-8 - 15 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 638)
Millikan - 15 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 1,814)
Powell K-8 - 13 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 759)
Lafayette - 12 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 503)
Long Beach School for Adults - 11
Jordan - 10 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 2,181)
Franklin - 9 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 863)
Cabrillo - 8 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 1,972)
King - 8 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 529)
Lindbergh - 8 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 778)
Lindsey - 8 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 708)
Wilson - 8 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 1,471)
Hamilton - 7 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 932)
Poly - 7 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 1,887)
Addams - 6 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 537)
Barton - 6 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 464)
Harte - 6 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 582)
Jefferson - 6 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 712)
Marshall - 6 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 716)
Avalon - 5 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 307)
Edison - 5 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 496)
Chavez - 4 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 343)
Grant - 4 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 619)
Hoover - 4 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 602)
Lakewood - 4 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 1,309)
Lincoln - 4 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 650)
McKinley - 4 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 489)
Signal Hill - 4 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 440)
Webster - 4 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 374)
Cleveland - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 128)
Dooley - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 638)
Lee - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 553)
Mann - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 167)
Newcomb - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 176)
Reid - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 49)
Robinson - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 576)
Roosevelt - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 636)
Stephens - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 859)
Stevenson - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 374)
Tincher - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 432)
Whittier - 3 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 561)
Burcham - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 246)
Butler - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged -545)
Carver - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 82)
Emerson - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 167)
Freemont - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged -59)
Hill - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 720)
Holmes - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 272)
Hughes - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 723)
Los Cerritos - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 123)
Lowell - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 37)
Monroe - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 407)
Rogers - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 289)
Stanford - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 364)
Washington - 2 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 859)
Bryant - 1 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 168)
Burbank - 1 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 413)
CAMS - 1 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 188)
DeMille - 1 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 742)
Gant - 1 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 49)
Gompers - 1 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 337)
Keller - 1 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 271)
Longfellow - 1 (Socioeconomically Disadvantaged - 199)
MacArthur - 1 (329)
Muir - 1 (586)
PAAL - 1
Willard - 1 (430)

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2010/2009Base_Ds...
StayAtHomeMom

United States

#14 Aug 4, 2010
I'm trying to look at the future and see where this is going and you know what I see is not good ! With that said have a great day, I will !
lbusd teacher too

Anaheim, CA

#15 Aug 4, 2010
Coincidence.
Did you add "Socioeconomically Disadvantaged" to the list? Many of these schools are not socioeconomically disadvantaged.
teacher

Ewa Beach, HI

#16 Aug 4, 2010
Curious Cat wrote:
And how many long-term substitute and temporary contract teachers were lost? These numbers are low because they don't need to be laid off, just not given a new contract.
And anyone who thinks teachers are overpaid needs to spend some time in the classroom. Remember that any homework given has to be graded, and those grades recorded. Multiply that by 175, and you have more than a full day's work.
They're counting temporary teachers. I work at an East side school and the 1 teacher laid off was a temporary computer teacher.
chippi

Los Angeles, CA

#17 Aug 4, 2010
I thought I heard them say that Starr King Elementary would have the greatest amount of layoffs. Those teachers are unqualified to teach and the sad part about it is that they are doing the children a grave disservice by being there. After school they have a coach come in and tell them how to teach; many of them are there because they are Hispanic and they can teach the kids in Spanish and make them not want to learn English. I was shocked to learn that only 8 are leaving. Since Starr King is located in a lower-socioeconomic area they need to totally and completely revamp that school with an all new teachers, accept for a few good ones they know who they are; but get rid of that egocentric Principal first and foremost.If you rotate these teachers around the district to other schools maybe you can find out who is truly unqualified to teach and maybe you can usher them out of LBUSD by June 2011.
LBUSD Teacher

Oxnard, CA

#18 Aug 4, 2010
chippi wrote:
I thought I heard them say that Starr King Elementary would have the greatest amount of layoffs. Those teachers are unqualified to teach and the sad part about it is that they are doing the children a grave disservice by being there. After school they have a coach come in and tell them how to teach; many of them are there because they are Hispanic and they can teach the kids in Spanish and make them not want to learn English. I was shocked to learn that only 8 are leaving. Since Starr King is located in a lower-socioeconomic area they need to totally and completely revamp that school with an all new teachers, accept for a few good ones they know who they are; but get rid of that egocentric Principal first and foremost.If you rotate these teachers around the district to other schools maybe you can find out who is truly unqualified to teach and maybe you can usher them out of LBUSD by June 2011.
If you look at the increased scores at King you would realize that there are very talented and dedicated teachers at King. They serve a very needy population and if the school district assigns extra resources to the school in the form of an academic coach to work with the staff then all the better. By no reasonable definition are the teachers at King "unqualified."

A point many people miss is there are a large number of teachers with seven and eight years of experience in LBUDS, and some with 10 to 15 years total experience, that were laid off. These lay offs have affected teachers with a wide range of ages. The bigger issue is not which teachers were laid off or where the lay offs occured but why are we allowing the lay offs to happen. Unless the public is willing to step and prevent lay offs then they should refrain from complaining about how those lay offs occur.
OldGuysSmell

Los Angeles, CA

#21 Aug 4, 2010
I am so happy to see so many teachers suffering. This news makes my day!!! You know what they say, "Those who can't, teach" and "Those that can't teach (like me) stay at home all day looking at adult web sites and spew hatred toward teachers." Also I would like you to know the following:

TEACHERS ARE OVERPAID - LBUSD TEACHERS ARE ABOUT THE HIGHEST IN THE NATION:

Not only are LBUSD teachers higher paid than the state average, but the California average is higher than anywhere in the nation -- and the cost of living here, although high, is not the highest. Adding fuel to an already growing fire, teachers and their Union TALB expect the LBUSD to maintain pay levels, cut staff and add days off (furloughs) in light of the fact that revenues are declining, due to declining tax suport, and eduction costs are increasing due to the expensive defined benefit pesion fund and medical costs (employee compensation).

What really keeps this fire burning is that since the economy has shrunk, as unemployment grows and real estate values decline, LBUSD teachers actually make more than about 70% of other workers in the Los Angeles County area, not counting the fact that they get three months off compared to most who get three weeks.

In some part due to a decline in wages in the private sector as companies layoff higher paid workers, reduce pay through bankrupcies and have the Pension Benefit Gurranty Corporate take over their under-funded pensions. While private sector wages have declined during the worst economic disater in history (since the depression), School unions (like TLAB for LBUSD), Police unions and Fire unions threaten to bankrupt our government run entites and bring our nation to its knees, eliminating the possibility of anyone realizing the American Dream.

POINT#1) LBUSD teachers make more than the average California teacher.
$71,734 is the average LBUSD teacher salary 2009
2.4% over prior year
http://www.sacbee.com/2008/07/16/995141/see-h ...
$66,995 is the average California teacher salary 09
1.8% over prior year
http://www.sacbee.com/2008/07/16/995141/see-h ...

POINT #2) California teachers get paid more than any other teachers in the nation.
http://www.nea.org/home/29402.htm

POINT #3) Cost of Living is randked #5 in the Los Angeles/Riverside/Orange County areas according to the latest report by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Areas reporting higher are New York, Boston, Philadelphia and Seattle.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cpi.pdf

POINT #4) Teachers pay is in the top 32% in Los Angeles County. This is without factoring in that they have three months off compared to workers who receive only a few weeks vacation.
http://www.labormarketinfo.edd.ca.gov/ ...

POINT #5) California spending per pupil is on average with the nation.
http://www2.census.gov/govs/school/07f33pub.p ...

POINT #6) Teachers Pension is Fund 23% underfunded and therefore the expectation is that we will have to increase costs by 14% for 30 years to support it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSSGE60S0CP2 ...

POINT #7) The State of California tax revenues have declined and education spending has been cut.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/05/education/0 ...

POINT #8) LBUSD Teachers pay nothing for medical benefits when teachers in the rest of the state pay 9%.
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_15034149 ...

POINT #9) LBUSD class size is relatively consistant with the state average but I find it interesting regarding demographics, LBUSD employs teachers who are 63% white, compared to LA county which is 52% white. In addition, the students that LBUSD serves are 52% Hispanic and 16% white.
http://www.ed-data.k12.ca.us/Navigation/fsTwo ...
OldGuysSmell

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Aug 4, 2010
Jeffrey1234 wrote:
Teachers and principals are so overpaid that alone is the reason for layoffs. They would only make half of their salary if they worked in the private/business sector.
I agree, what type of web sites to you like?
experienced

Ewa Beach, HI

#23 Aug 4, 2010
LBUSD Teacher wrote:
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If you look at the increased scores at King you would realize that there are very talented and dedicated teachers at King. They serve a very needy population and if the school district assigns extra resources to the school in the form of an academic coach to work with the staff then all the better. By no reasonable definition are the teachers at King "unqualified."
A point many people miss is there are a large number of teachers with seven and eight years of experience in LBUDS, and some with 10 to 15 years total experience, that were laid off. These lay offs have affected teachers with a wide range of ages. The bigger issue is not which teachers were laid off or where the lay offs occured but why are we allowing the lay offs to happen. Unless the public is willing to step and prevent lay offs then they should refrain from complaining about how those lay offs occur.
No one with 9 years or more of experience were laid off??????
lbusd teacher too

United States

#24 Aug 4, 2010
Jeffrey1234 wrote:
Teachers and principals are so overpaid that alone is the reason for layoffs. They would only make half of their salary if they worked in the private/business sector.
What do people in the private sector make that have a bachelorís and masterís degree? If it is only half of what I make, then they probably shouldnít go to college. Itís not worth it.
lbusd teacher too

United States

#25 Aug 4, 2010
experienced wrote:
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No one with 9 years or more of experience were laid off??????
Yes there were. But, they were all rehired in June because of the furlough days.

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