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There are 54 comments on the Long Beach Press-Telegram story from Feb 16, 2010, titled Ragga Muffins festival cancels reggae singer Capleton's appeara.... In it, Long Beach Press-Telegram reports that:

Capleton, the controversial Jamaican reggae singer whose lyrics glorify killing gay people, has been booted off the bill of this weekend's Ragga Muffins Festival, organizers said.

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CHS

Long Beach, CA

#1 Feb 16, 2010
In other news, a Rolling Stones concert was canceled when the promoter discovered that they were old.
tjlb

Long Beach, CA

#3 Feb 16, 2010
so much for freedom of speech
SamK

Wailuku, HI

#4 Feb 16, 2010
I don't think that any Freedom of Speech laws are being broken here. The government, to whom such laws apply, is not involved.

Capleton certainly has freedom of speech. He can go around and say "faggots must die." LGBT people and people who oppose the promotion of hatred and violence also have freedom of speech. They can talk to the promoters and the venues and let them know what a performer is saying. Then it is up to the venue or the promoter to go ahead with a performance or not.

Capleton signed the Reggae Compassionate Act form in 2007, agreeing not to promote hatred and violence. You can see his signed form here: http://www.petertatchell.net/popmusic/reggaec...

Before the end of 2007 Capleton had violated his written agreement. This PDF file has a link to a YouTube video. The PDF file has a transcription of Capleton's RCA violations and tells you where in the video to listen for the RCA violations http://tinyurl.com/y873vtm

When Capleton says "Bun battyman and sodomite" ("burn faggots and sodomites") and "Battyman fi dead di yuth em right bout that" ("faggots must die. The youth are right about that") he is promoting hatred and violence and violating his Reggae Compassionate Act agreement.

Since: Aug 09

Long Beach, CA

#5 Feb 17, 2010
Interesting enough:

An anti-gay group is planing on picketing the festival including the Martin Lawrence performance on Feb 20.

Wonder if this decision will impact the picketing in one way or another?

Radical anti-gay group to picket in Long Beach:
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_14272240 \

Can it get any Weirder?
jason

Dana Point, CA

#6 Feb 17, 2010
thinking and even professing that homosexuality is a sin is one thing...glorifying and advocating the burning and killing of gays and lesbians is a whole other ballgame.

and please don't try to say that when these singers say burn, hang, shoot and pour acid on gays and lesbians they are speaking metaphorically and don't really mean what they say. we've seen the performances and the frenzy it stirs up among the impressionable audiences and we know about the murder of Brian Williamson and other gay Jamaicans.

we are not expecting singers like Capleton to become "gay-friendly"...tha t would be an unrealistic expectation. but, is it really too much to ask that he and the other small group of violent homophobes simply honor the Reggae Compassion Act they signed in 2007?

had Capleton kept his word, he wouldn't be in this situation today. we are NOT disrespecting Rasta, as the vast majority of Rastas do note condone this type of violence and cruelty. in fact, for Capleton and others to try to hide behind Rasta does a disservice to the true spirit of the religion.

the festival producers are to be commended for taking the appropriate action when presented with all the facts, though a little deeper digging during their "due diligence" process could have headed all of this off.

Since: Jan 08

Bangkok, Thailand

#7 Feb 17, 2010
tjlb wrote:
so much for freedom of speech
Hey, idiot, freedom of speech doesn't protect irresponsible speech. Try yelling "Fire!" in a packed auditorium and see what happens.
JimJ

Long Beach, CA

#9 Feb 17, 2010
Capleton is entitled to his opinion, and his free speech, even if it's disgusting and hateful. The promoters are also within their rights to not have someone who's views they find offensive on the bill. He can say what he wants, but he gets to deal with the consequences; cancelled gigs.
Spike

Los Angeles, CA

#10 Feb 17, 2010
Wow, this is really going to pis.s off the God Hates Fags protesters !!!! BTW, anyone figured out why they are protesting this event anyway?

Funny the i.diots that seem to think this has something to do with freedom of speech. You are all as ignorant as that Carrie Prejean and Sarah Palin. Freedom of speech involves the govt. prohibiting speech. I'm pretty sure that the Raggin Muffin concert is not an extension of any govt. organized activity. This hater can say whatever he wants and the promoters can choose whom they wish to include and exclude from the concert. It's pretty simple people

Since: May 08

Long Beach, California

#11 Feb 17, 2010
Hey mon, no need fo spreadin' hate, spread bud instead.
Angela Duits

Chinese Camp, CA

#12 Feb 17, 2010
Everyone please realize that sex is 2 billion years old on Planet Earth. Humans did not invent sex, nor any of its variances. Over 450 species of animals are homosexual. Insects are switchers. Most people's sexual information and genetics is zero especially married. Please study genetics etc. But yet, hetero-sexuals (married and divorce) have monopolized their rights to order and vote on everyone elses sexual lifestyles (global crime). Who made them the Sex Police Enforcers? God invented sex according to religion. Even religion orders sex around.
Marriage is a sex, money and children contract. Marriage (mirage) is a cheap convenient sex business. Humans are the only creatures that are sex addicts (marriage). Men do marry their sex mom (moving forward from their milk mom). Marriage is a social and religious status (over-rated). Corporate America is over family friendly and needs to mind its own business. Married and divorce people should not bully or demand anyone (employers, co-workers, parents, religion, neighbors, friends, etc.) to support their sex life and $tatus.
Marriage has the highest failure rates (divorce) at 80% plus for both divorces. Trying to merge two opposing biologically different genders is a failure. Men only like women for sex. Marriage is convenient. Remember, Adam asked God, "Why you made Eve so beautiful"? God replied, "So you would look at her". But God, Adam asked, "why did you make Eve so stupid"? Well Adam, God replied, "SO SHE WOULD LIKE YOU"!
Will anti gays, anti-lesbians, anti-singles (never married and childless) haters leave us alone. Mind your own business. I am sure you have better things to do. Our sex lives are private. Why this obsession? Yes, you have freedom of the press and speech, but where is your respect or tolerance for those different than majority of married and divorced? Being rude and mean solves nothing, but creates more hatred.

Angela Duits
Long Beach
Single forever
Angela Duits

Chinese Camp, CA

#13 Feb 17, 2010
More comments on Marriage and Divorce:
Married and divorce people should take the time to read what is written about them by mathematicians, sociologists, scientists, etc. and be prepared to be shocked what a global problem you are.

Remember, free public schools & busing was invented for married people. Birth control pills invented for women that rescued them from being compulsive baby makers in 1950(condoms and TV didn't work). Social Security in 1933 was invented mainly for irresponsible married families who didn't budget for their retirement. Grandparents (50% plus) are raising grandkids for free or slave sitters' wages. Corporate America provides preferential treatment and compensation for married/divorced with kids which is a violation of State, County and Federal labor laws. Overpopulation is amok and a catastrophe for the future of the human race in the 21st century produced by 75% of married people. There are approximately 20% of humans worldwide who never marry nor have kids. We are not a disease or dysfunctional as implied by the majority.

Even many married women lose their identity and value by changing their name, religion and taking the pill because they don't trust their husband to take the pill. Marriage is an Over-rated mirage.
Why don't you live in Glass Houses and drive glass cars. You think your SDS. You are the most arrogant, self-absorbed and over-welfarized sex prison program by choice. So you think you are the best F in town? Really? Prove it publicly. Go Live! There are 4 million (yes) internet porn websites.

And lastly, you don't qualify to have kids. You have sex which has no conscious (Freud). There is no free sex (no free lunch). Kids are not free either. They are a punishment for sex. I hear your 24/7 whining everywhere. Your choice. Stop craving acceptance, attention, pity and welfare thru marriage and using your kids also.

Einstein put it best, "marriage is in your heart and all marriages are dangerous". Good riddens.

Marriage is pulp fiction. It works because its a 80-20 ratio of women-men input. There are no 50-50 marriages. Marriage is a wreck-tangle.

Angela Duits
Long Beach
Single forever
Lionheart

Buena Park, CA

#14 Feb 17, 2010
What a travesty. Reggae musicians are an easy target for the gay alliance and I guess they get a rise out of flexing what little pull they have. Way to go! You got some reggae shows shut down. Too bad you still can't get married and are being treated like second class citizens in this society. My point is this: Reggae is not your enemy. There are more forward thinking individuals in your average US reggae crowd than other forms of popular music, like Hip Hop or Rock. While Capleton and others have lyrics that talk of violence against gays, they also talk of unity, love, peace and solidarity. By the artists own declaration, the lyrics that "incite violence" are not meant to be taken literally. What's more is, where are these self righteous anti violence activists when it concerns music that talks of killing people in poor kids in impoverished neighborhoods, like rap for example.

I personally feel that gays should be treated equally in our society and obviously don't feel they or anyone else for that matter should be singled out violently for the lifestyle they choose to live. However, as a person that loves and supports reggae music, I feel persecuted and wronged by these gay rights alliances that fight down the Rasta culture and would be less inclined to support their struggle for equality.

Live and let live; it's a two way street. I’ve already bought my tickets for the show, but until Moss Jacobs, stands up for the culture he is supposedly promoting, I won’t attend another show. Any venue that allows reggae musicians to be unjustly persecuted for simply stating their opinions lyrically will not get any patronage from me or my family.

Since: May 08

Long Beach, California

#15 Feb 17, 2010
Angela Duits wrote:
Everyone please realize that sex is 2 billion years old on Planet Earth. Humans did not invent sex, nor any of its variances. Over 450 species of animals are homosexual. Insects are switchers. Most people's sexual information and genetics is zero especially married. Please study genetics etc. But yet, hetero-sexuals (married and divorce) have monopolized their rights to order and vote on everyone elses sexual lifestyles (global crime). Who made them the Sex Police Enforcers? God invented sex according to religion. Even religion orders sex around.
Marriage is a sex, money and children contract. Marriage (mirage) is a cheap convenient sex business. Humans are the only creatures that are sex addicts (marriage). Men do marry their sex mom (moving forward from their milk mom). Marriage is a social and religious status (over-rated). Corporate America is over family friendly and needs to mind its own business. Married and divorce people should not bully or demand anyone (employers, co-workers, parents, religion, neighbors, friends, etc.) to support their sex life and $tatus.
Marriage has the highest failure rates (divorce) at 80% plus for both divorces. Trying to merge two opposing biologically different genders is a failure. Men only like women for sex. Marriage is convenient. Remember, Adam asked God, "Why you made Eve so beautiful"? God replied, "So you would look at her". But God, Adam asked, "why did you make Eve so stupid"? Well Adam, God replied, "SO SHE WOULD LIKE YOU"!
Will anti gays, anti-lesbians, anti-singles (never married and childless) haters leave us alone. Mind your own business. I am sure you have better things to do. Our sex lives are private. Why this obsession? Yes, you have freedom of the press and speech, but where is your respect or tolerance for those different than majority of married and divorced? Being rude and mean solves nothing, but creates more hatred.
Angela Duits
Long Beach
Single forever
You go girl!!!!!

Tell it like it is!

Well said!

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#16 Feb 17, 2010
Lionheart--"What a travesty."
No, the travesty is that these acts were booked in the first place. Anyone remotely connected with music knows there are SOME acts in reggae who are viciously bigoted, and any decent human being knows NOT to hire them. This is like booking some act from Panzerfest and then being shocked to learn that they have racist lyrics.
"Reggae musicians are an easy target for the gay alliance and I guess they get a rise out of flexing what little pull they have."
No, they don't. NOBODY likes having to deal with this, it was foolish that the sponsors let this go anywhere close to a booking.
"Way to go! You got some reggae shows shut down. Too bad you still can't get married and are being treated like second class citizens in this society. My point is this: Reggae is not your enemy."
No, bigotry is. This wasn't about "no reggae." It was about "no hate." There are literally thousands of reggae acts that DON'T promote violence against gay people, there's no reason a show cannot go on without these acts.
"There are more forward thinking individuals in your average US reggae crowd than other forms of popular music, like Hip Hop or Rock."
That may well be correct. I've met excellent people, and cement-headed bigots, at reggae shows, rock shows, and the opera.
"While Capleton and others have lyrics that talk of violence against gays, they also talk of unity, love, peace and solidarity."
Stop it. Just stop. You're making an ass of yourself. There is NOTHING they say that makes up for ANYTHING promoting violence in the name of bigotry. That's like saying Hitler wasn't such a bad guy. These acts should be shunned by any decent society. Any act promoting violence against gays should find their career crashing to a sudden and complete halt. NO bookings, NO sales. There should be ZERO tolerance for this trash.
"By the artists own declaration, the lyrics that "incite violence" are not meant to be taken literally."
The lamest, most meaningless excuse imaginable.
"What's more is, where are these self righteous anti violence activists"
An absurd lie. Speaking against violence is NOT "self-righteous."
"when it concerns music that talks of killing people in poor kids in impoverished neighborhoods, like rap for example."
Bull. ANY music that says "kill poor people" or "kill black people" is treated EXACTLY the same.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#17 Feb 17, 2010
"I personally feel that gays should be treated equally in our society and obviously don't feel they or anyone else for that matter should be singled out violently for the lifestyle they choose to live."
You just blew your cover, bigot. Being gay is NOT a lifestyle, and NOBODY chooses to be gay, and that you called is a "lifestyle they choose to live" shows that you are NOT "forward thinking" in the slightest but instead fall for the lies of the radical right and their bigotry. Saying you don't think they should be treated violently, but someone should be allowed to promote violence against them and insulting those who try to prevent it is as two-faced as it gets.
"However, as a person that loves and supports reggae music, I feel persecuted and wronged by these gay rights alliances that fight down the Rasta culture and would be less inclined to support their struggle for equality."
Then you're a disgrace to reggae. ANYONE who cares about this music having ANY future in decent society should want reggae to spit out trash like this and for them to have NOTHING to do with the legitimate reggae scene. You're blaming the victims instead of those CAUSING people to have negative feelings towards Rasta. You should LOATH the people putting out these lyrics, THEY are the ones harming this culture, not decent human beings who say "No, we will not let you have a public forum to talk about how cool it is to beat up and kill people just because they're gay."
"Live and let live; it's a two way street."
Bullshit. You're saying "Live and let live" about people who want to KILL the people on the other side of the street. So long as that's allowed, we CANNOT have a "two way street" or "live and let live." Again, you're talking to the wrong side. Want "live and let live"? A "two-way street"? You should STOP people with violent lyrics from having any place in reggae.
"I’ve already bought my tickets for the show, but until Moss Jacobs, stands up for the culture he is supposedly promoting, I won’t attend another show."
You belong in a cage. What a despicable scum you are. You claim you believe in the "Rasta Culture" but won't attend a show unless violent lyrics are allowed? You don't love reggae, you just hate gay people. Good. Stay away. You're not wanted.
"Any venue that allows reggae musicians to be unjustly persecuted for simply stating their opinions"
LIAR! YOU FREAKIN' LIAR! THEY ARE NOT BEING PERSOCUTED FOR STATING OPINIONS!!! This is about PROMOTING VIOLENCE! That is NOT just "stating opinion." By your obscene standards, a cross burning is just "expressing opinion". You don't want a two-way street, you want a dark alley where gay people walk in one way and are carried out in an ambulance or a hearse the other way.
"lyrically will not get any patronage from me or my family."
Good. I'm sure the KKK or Panzerfest, where the bigotry you want to hear people sing about, will appreciate your business. STAY AWAY from reggae. You're not wanted.
jason

Dana Point, CA

#18 Feb 17, 2010
Lionheart:

First of all, thanks for your own tolerance and understanding.

Please don't generalize and claim we are broadly protesting Reggae or Rastas. The protest is about a handful of "artists" who have built their careers on violently homophobic music and who refuse to unequivocably leave that chapter in their past.

There are many orthodox religions that view homosexuality as a sin...Rastas are certainly not alone in that regard. I have seen nothing that indicates that the gay and lesbian activists who have led this protest are broadly targeting Rastafarians, though the offending artists might want you to believe that.

The gay and lesbian community went so far as to negotiate a Reggae Compassion Act agreement with labels and artists in 2007, which would have allowed the artists to continue their careers without further protest had they simply lived up to the terms they helped craft. Unfortunately, a number of artists refused to sign it all-together, while others who did quickly demonstrated they had no intention of honoring it (including Capleton).

I would ask you to listen to the growing number of prominent voices from within the Reggae community itself who have spoken out against homophobia in the music. Those artists include Sean Paul, Shaggy, Freddie McGregor and Pato Banton.

Thanks again and enjoy the show!
jason

Dana Point, CA

#19 Feb 17, 2010
of the two dozen artists that were listed on the festival website, only one artist was singled out for protest...doesn't that clearly demonstrate that it is not about Reggae, but rather about the actions of an individual performer?

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#20 Feb 17, 2010
jason--"Lionheart:
First of all, thanks for your own tolerance and understanding."

Tolerance? Bull!

"Please don't generalize and claim we are broadly protesting Reggae or Rastas."

Because it's an assinine and obvious lie, as was pointed out by people who unlike him are REALLY tolerant.

"The protest is about a handful of "artists" who have built their careers on violently homophobic music and who refuse to unequivocably leave that chapter in their past."

And he doesn't WANT it left behind, showing what a load of bull the claim of "tolerance" is.

"There are many orthodox religions that view homosexuality as a sin...Rastas are certainly not alone in that regard."

It's a LIE. It has been PROVEN that sexual orientation is NOT chosen and can NOT be changed. How the hell can this be a "sin"?? If it is a "sin" to be left-handed? That's preposterous and inexcusable for ANYONE to blame their bigotry on religious faith. EVERY major religion has love for others as it's cornerstone, and bigotry is NOT loving.

"I have seen nothing that indicates that the gay and lesbian activists who have led this protest are broadly targeting Rastafarians, though the offending artists might want you to believe that."

And of course they are lying to cover their own butts. There have been protests against Christian groups practicing bigotry from devout Christians...yet the claim that "Christians are being targeted" persists.
The ONLY target is hate and violence and bigotry and discrimination.

"The gay and lesbian community went so far as to negotiate a Reggae Compassion Act agreement with labels and artists in 2007, which would have allowed the artists to continue their careers without further protest had they simply lived up to the terms they helped craft."

Which is probably more than they deserved, certainly a MORE than fair compromise.

"Unfortunately, a number of artists refused to sign it all-together, while others who did quickly demonstrated they had no intention of honoring it (including Capleton)."

And they richly deserve to have it end their careers. No booking, no label, no distribution.

"I would ask you to listen to the growing number of prominent voices from within the Reggae community itself who have spoken out against homophobia in the music. Those artists include Sean Paul, Shaggy, Freddie McGregor and Pato Banton."

Move forward...what a novel idea! Some are determined to be stuck in the past, no matter how much evidence of how bad it was for others is presented. Showing, again, that the concern and love for others at the basis of EVERY faith is NOT being followed by homophobes.

"Thanks again and enjoy the show!"

And thanks for being reasonable, probably more than bigots deserve. I do hope you realize one thing--the notion that any claim of religious faith makes bigotry OK is not only wrong, but violates the principles of faith in the worst way.
Rastar

Mckinleyville, CA

#21 Feb 17, 2010
Greetings everyone, as to Lionheart and Not Nice postings i feel a need to respond. As a Rasta i am truly discusted at what artists such as Caplelton, Sizzla and the like are promoting in the name of rasta culture. Rasta shows love while they show hate, i dont care if they put out songs about love and unity it is compleat fuckery to try to balance the two out by saying Oh they do good songs too. If the Skinhead band did a love song and then went into something about killing blacks or jews, but most of their songs said nothing would anyone like that either. No real rasta would approve of saying you should kill someone it is a perversion of rasta culture not rasta culture itself, granted rasta culture does not approve homosexuality, but they also do not approve killing. When these artists go out and chant this fuckery is is a disservice to rastas around the world, and yes just because they are rastas does not mean you need to support them. If you wanna burn something burn out hate and violence and burn out these lyrics. The Dancehall culture is ruining rasta culture with their gangster additudes and enough is enough.
Amanda

United States

#22 Feb 17, 2010
You're dumb.
NotNice wrote:
That's not right! Capleton is one of the best reggae artist out today... What ever happened to Freedom of Speech. This is getting ridiculous with all these "homos" protesting these artists and thier music.There is no need to protest; if you don't like, then don't go! For real, BUN DUN DI CHI CHI!

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