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Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#20272 Sep 5, 2013
Dang wrote:
<quoted text>"Where in as" where did you find this garbage? UGANDA? Where to begin? The European Union is and has been close to collapse. "DESPITE greatly improved financial conditions over the past nine months following the pledge by Mario Draghi, head of the European Central Bank, to do “whatever it takes” to save the single currency, the euro area remains mired in recession. Output declined by 0.2% in the first three months of 2013 from its level late last year, the sixth consecutive quarter of a recession that started in late 2011. GDP rose by just 0.1% in Germany, the biggest economy in the euro area and declined by 0.2% in France, the second biggest. Falls in southern Europe were much bigger, with GDP declining by 0.5% in Italy and Spain and 1.3% in Cyprus.
Forecasts from the European Commission in early May showed annual euro-zone GDP shrinking by 0.4% in 2013, following a contraction of 0.6% in 2012. The economic reverse will be much deeper on the periphery of the single-currency club than in its core. Cyprus will take over from Greece as the worst performer this year as its GDP shrinks by 8.7%(a prediction that could well prove optimistic). The Baltic states will continue to shine. The economy tipped to prosper the most within the 17-country euro area is Estonia’s, whose GDP will rise by 3% in 2013. Within the 27-nation European Union (EU), Latvia which is expected to join the euro next January will be the star performer, with its GDP increasing by 3.8%.
The disparity between core and periphery is particularly stark in labour markets. Unemployment in Germany was just 5.4% of the workforce in March 2013, whereas in Greece and Spain it was around 27%. The gap is even bigger for young people. In Germany the youth jobless rate was 7.6% in March whereas it was 56% in Spain and reached 64% in Greece in February. These figures overstate the blight of youth unemployment because many young people are in full-time education and so do not count as part of the labour force (the denominator of the unemployment rate). But they highlight the disjuncture between northern and southern Europe." Stop reading stats from the 1920's. Quiet chirps from a cricket.
You do realize that you are referring to the EU European Union. UK Sweden and a few others, are not of the EU.
On the EU now that you brought that up. France, original founder of the EU, with the Netherlands are in dissolution to the Belgium EU “Austerity” policies.
They now favor a more equitable distribution of wealth as their road out of failure. They even went so far as to say not like the American right wing austerity, should they emulate.
Remember apples to apples?
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#20273 Sep 5, 2013
Dang wrote:
<quoted text>"Where in as" where did you find European Union (EU), Latvia which is expected to join the euro next January will be the star performer, with its GDP increasing by 3.8%.
The disparity between core and periphery is particularly stark in labour markets. Unemployment in Germany was just 5.4% of the workforce in March 2013, whereas in Greece and Spain it was around 27%. The gap is even bigger for young people. In Germany the youth jobless rate was 7.6% in March whereas it was 56% in Spain and reached 64% in Greece in February. These figures overstate the blight of youth unemployment because many young people are in full-time education and so do not count as part of the labour force (the denominator of the unemployment rate). But they highlight the disjuncture between northern and southern Europe." Stop reading stats from the 1920's. Quiet chirps from a cricket.

Dang you forgot the medical cost discrepancy. Something that can and has destroyed families and total lost of their finical security. Here is one example not from 1920. LOL
Why Obamacare? Only naives of the medical world would question that.“OR” corruptive supporters of austerity.
A sampling of Health Care cost in the USA versus other Nations.
USA avg. cost for an Angiogram $914. Canada’s cost $35 ! Colonoscopy USA $1,185 Switzerland $655 ! USA hip replacement $40,364 Spain $7,731! USA Liptor $124.00 New Zealand $6.00! USA MRI scan $1,121, Netherlands $319!
.Source: 2012 Comparative Price Report by the International Federation of Health Plans. The average prices shown for colonoscopies do NOT include added fees for sedation by an anesthesiologist, a practice common in the United States, but unusual in the rest of the world. The additional charges can increase the cost “significantly.”
Here is a sample of actual colonoscopy cost to some patients in the USA.
Deirdre Yapalater recent colonoscopy in Merrick N.Y. that went smoothly as routine cancer screening can be expected. Nothing found and she was billed $6,385! Which is closer to the norm. Matt Meyer of Keen N.H. colonoscopy bill $7,563.56. Maggie Christ, Chappaqua N.Y. received her bill for colonoscopy $9142.84!
Insurance companies were responsive to those patients charges by increasing their premiums by 10%, rising co-payments and deductibles. Price of quality? Not so, for numerous studies have discovered that Americans do not get better Health Care than the Nations that provide this procedure for less than $1,000 max.
International Federation of Health Plans list the USA as the highest most costly in all of the 21 categories that they investigated. Cost difference significantly larger than that of Nations that have private or national systems for their Health Care. Hip replacement in USA four time that of Switzerland and France. Caesarean section three times of New Zealand or Britain. USA Nasonex for allergies $108, Spain’s price $21. Hospital stays triple that of the rest of the developed nations. Reported from the Commonwealth Fund Foundation in their studies of health policies.
….Colonoscopy moved from the doctors routine examination to surgical atmospheres. More economical scenarios for this procedure is still practiced through out the developed world.
We’ve defaulted to by far, the most expensive option, without much if any data to support it,” said Dr. H. Gilbert Welch, a professor of medicine at the Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice.
…“The U.S. just pays providers of health care much more for everything,” said Tom Sackville, chief executive of the health plans federation and a former British health minister.
Obamacare about to take center stage will be addressing these issue as well as many others. Hopefully in time to suppress the growing tide of Medical Tourist seeking the Liberal International Free Trade Markets with their medical competitors.

Texan

Falls Church, VA

#20274 Sep 5, 2013
Thank you Barney, still not a yes or no, but at least you admitted you want The U.S. to attack Syria.
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#20275 Sep 5, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
<quoted text>

Hip replacement in USA four time that of Switzerland and France. Caesarean section three times of New Zealand or Britain. USA Nasonex for allergies $108, Spain’s price $21. Hospital stays triple that of the rest of the developed nations. Reported from the Commonwealth Fund Foundation in their studies of health policies.
….Colonoscopy moved from the doctors routine examination to surgical atmospheres. More economical scenarios for this procedure is still practiced through out the developed world.
We’ve defaulted to by far, the most expensive option, without much
You and Bill Clinton, Obama's lapdogs. Your medical cost comparisons are old news. "In the developed world, mortality counts and rates tend to emphasize the most common causes of death in older people, because the risk of death increases with age. Because PYLL gives more weight to deaths among younger individuals, it is the favoured metric among those who wish to draw attention to those causes of death that are more common in younger people. Some researchers say that this measurement should be considered by governments when they decide how best to divide up scarce resources for research.[3]

For example, in most of the developed world, heart disease and cancer are the leading causes of death, as measured by the number (or rate) of deaths. For this reason, heart disease and cancer tend to get a lot of attention (and research funding). However, one might argue that everyone has to die of something eventually, and so public health efforts should be more explicitly directed at preventing premature death. When PYLL is used as an explicit measure of premature death, then injuries and infectious diseases, become more important. While the most common cause of death of young people aged 5 to 40 is injury and poisoning in the developed world, because relatively few young people die, the principal causes of lost years remain cardiovascular disease and cancer.[4]"Person-years of potential life lost in the United States in 2006[5] Cause of premature death Person-years lost
Cancer 8,628,000 person-years
Heart disease and strokes 8,760,000 person-years
Accidents and other injuries 5,873,000 person-years
All other causes 13,649,000 person-years We have become a fat lazy country.
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#20276 Sep 5, 2013
Dang wrote:
<quoted text>You
LOL my so called ancient sources are the same timeline as yours. Exposing a hypocrite resides within yee. Now how the Price Of Inequality affects our society. These would be the ones to go to McDonald ha, ha, if they could afford it.
Prior to 2007 the 1% enjoyed accumulating 57% of the nations wealth. Producing an increase in capital income after 1979 some 7/8 while those in the 95% received less than 3% of the increment.
Consider for an example; Walton’s family of the Wal-Mart empire commands a wealth of 69.7 Billion. Compare this to the total wealth of the 30% of the entire population, of the impoverished within the USA.
“Good” middle class jobs have been eviscerated that required moderate skills, like autoworkers’ jobs, in ratio to the unskilled laborers. Where in at the top greater skill levels were required.
Polarization of the labor force. Collapse of good jobs has been in affect for the last 25 years. Wages have gone down, increasing disparity of inequality in favor of the 1%. Creating a downward spiral for the middle class laborer.
Presently as an example; Single earner of family of two children, in good health, manages to work 40 hours per week,{Presently Average working hours for Americans is at 34 hours} at a wage above minimum {$8.50/hr} Pays S.S. which reduces his earnings to $8.00. Yearly income is $16,640 for 2080 hr’s of labor.
Pays no income tax but his employer charges him $200 a month for health insurance, to cover entire family and employer picks up remaining $550 cost per month of the cost to health insurance. This results in a take home pay $14,240 a year. Luck on his side, finds an apartment for $700 month with all utilities included. Now this reduces yearly earnings to $5,840 to cover all family cost for the year. Add in a car with fuel, insurance and maintenance at $3,000 per year and what remains is $2840. Under $3.00 per individual per day. No entertainment and no buffer zone for accidents or lost of wages.
Along comes the “Great Recession” Safety nets cut! Miss rent due to loss wages and homelessness looms.
One Example of nets being cut and their affect; Many states cut child care. Average monthly child care for two children $1,433 per month to be subtracted from the $2,840 a month families income. Results in $1.30 per, person per day!
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#20277 Sep 5, 2013
Dang this.
Let us now consider those who lost their jobs. Full time employment dropped by 8.7 million during November 2007 to November 2011. Just as 7 million were entering the workforce for jobs. Deficit to laborers employment can be calculated at 15 million. USA’s unemployment insurance one of the least in the western civilized nations. A safety net in dire need of repair overflowed and tore apart. Generally unemployment insurance was for 6
Months. In the “Great Recession” that was severely underestimated. Unemployment of 1 to 2 years more the norm and growing. Eligibility was used to eliminate sectors of the unemployed resulting in late 2011 inadequacies of only 38% of the unemployed were receiving benefits. 44% never received any benefits. Those receiving benefits, 70% of them, realized their benefits would not sustain them to the next employment. More than 50% of those receiving unemployment benefits, suffered emotional and health problems. Health Care is unavailable to the unemployed, compounding the seriousness of the issue. Middle aged unemployed lost hope of ever finding work. Optimism still high on 70% of all unemployed that they would find work within the next 12 months.. Alas American unemployment is emulating Europe’s long intervals of unemployment scenarios. Affect of lifelong earnings dwindling with every passing day of unemployment.
Insecurity enters the fray. Employed work with visions of pink slips being forth coming. Observing low levels of social protection administered to their fellow laborers exacerbated their insecurities and trust in a failed system. Pensions and health to be offered onto the altars of Wall Street!
Once it was a security to know your pension was secured through government policies that regulated corporations bearing the risk of stock markets investments and or the S.S. net of the government. Now this is under siege to transfer the pensions responsibilities to the laborers at an age where inexperience or a failing of comprehension is to decide and secure their pensions. Been there done that. Does not work out for the average retiree. Failure of that ideology was prevalent during the years before F.D.R.
Imagine had the laborer adhered to the analyst of Wall Street as the “Great Recession” started to blossom. Predatory schemes eating up all their life savings, with no nets to catch them from their fall, to the streets of desolation row. Just as what republicans advocate for our already polarizing labor forces and the increasing inequality of wealth. Note the millions that lost their life savings and or their homes, shelter, health, security with the minimal regulations that was able to blunt the full measure the full scope of the disaster. Now we are to remove even these weak and unreliable safety nets.
Weakness and disrepair to these nets produced losses to retirement accounts.$6.5 trillion loss in housing valuations. Minorities and those that fell prey to the predatory lending schemes were hit even harder. Predatory loans on individuals blew away the American dream for all of them, for decades if ever to return, to one more chance at the American dream. African Americans household lost 53% of their wealth. Hispanics lost 66% of their household wealth. Rendering their assets to less than 5% of the average white American’s. Average white American lost substantially, to $113,149 in 2009. A 16% loss of wealth.
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#20278 Sep 5, 2013
Dang wrote:
<quoted text>You and Bill Clinton, Obama's lapdogs. Your medical cost comparisons are old news. "In the developed world, mortality counts and rates tend to emphasize the most common causes of death in older people, because the risk of death increases with age. Because PYLL gives more weight to deaths among younger individuals, it is the favoured metric among those who wish to draw attention to those causes of death that are more common in younger people. Some researchers say that this measurement should be considered by governments when they decide how best to divide up scarce resources for research.[3]
For example, in most of the developed world, heart disease and cancer are the leading causes of death, as measured by the number (or rate) of deaths. For this reason, heart disease and cancer tend to get a lot of attention (and research funding). However, one might argue that everyone has to die of something eventually, and so public health efforts should be more explicitly directed at preventing premature death. When PYLL is used as an explicit measure of premature death, then injuries and infectious diseases, become more important. While the most common cause of death of young people aged 5 to 40 is injury and poisoning in the developed world, because relatively few young people die, the principal causes of lost years remain cardiovascular disease and cancer.[4]"Person-years of potential life lost in the United States in 2006[5] Cause of premature death Person-years lost
Cancer 8,628,000 person-years
Heart disease and strokes 8,760,000 person-years
Accidents and other injuries 5,873,000 person-years
All other causes 13,649,000 person-years We have become a fat lazy country.
Dang states; “Some researchers say that this measurement should be considered by governments when they decide how best to divide up scarce resources for research.[3]”
Kind of a DUH there lad. What in the world do you think, why have we been seeking Obamacare. Distributions of the fit and ailing in one insurance plan.
Enlarge the base of insured and the price of health care goes down. Simple mathematics. Present USA medical system was ranked by the World Bank in the 37th place to the other developed nations. They have a Health Plan in place as we have had nothing more than feeding an ever increasing monopolized health care insurance with a decreasing base of insured.
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#20279 Sep 5, 2013
Just for you Barney:" FRANKFURT — The president of the European Central Bank issued a sober assessment of the euro zone economy, saying on Thursday that he was “very, very cautious” about prospects for growth and acknowledging concern about shock waves from the civil war in Syria.

“I can’t share the enthusiasm” about budding growth in the euro zone, Mario Draghi, the bank president, said at his monthly news conference.“These shoots are still very, very green" "The bank may not welcome undue optimism about the euro zone economy because it could cause market interest rates to rise and make credit even more unaffordable for the businesses and households in Southern Europe that need it most." Welcome to 2013. This ain't 1920, 2004 or even 2009.Someone in Russia tonight could open their mouth and cause another recession /depression. It happens that fast.
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#20280 Sep 5, 2013
Texan wrote:
Thank you Barney, still not a yes or no, but at least you admitted you want The U.S. to attack Syria.
Nope, attack is to strong a word. That is why I used reprimand. Chastise could be another. Attack for most hyped up kooks give them visions of unbridled violence. War, rat ta tap of drums and old glory waving in the breezes. A bugle calling them to arm. Such are the visions of kooks..
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#20281 Sep 5, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL my so called ancient sources are the same timeline as yours. Exposing a hypocrite resides within yee. Now how the Price Of Inequality affects our society. These would be the ones to go to McDonald ha, ha, if they could afford it.
Prior to 2007 the 1% enjoyed accumulating 57% of the nations wealth. Producing an increase in capital income after 1979 some 7/8 while those in the 95% received less than 3% of the increment.
Consider for an example; Walton’s family of the Wal-Mart empire commands a wealth of 69.7 Billion. Compare this to the total wealth of the 30% of the entire population, of the impoverished within the USA.
“Good” middle class jobs have been eviscerated that required moderate skills, like autoworkers’ jobs, in ratio to the unskilled laborers. Where in at the top greater skill levels were required.
Polarization of the labor force. Collapse of good jobs has been in affect for the last 25 years. Wages have gone down, increasing disparity of inequality in favor of the 1%. Creating a downward spiral for the middle class laborer.
Presently as an example; Single earner of family of two children, in good health, manages to work 40 hours per week,{Presently Average working hours for Americans is at 34 hours} at a wage above minimum {$8.50/hr} Pays S.S. which reduces his earnings to $8.00. Yearly income is $16,640 for 2080 hr’s of labor.
Pays no income tax but his employer charges him $200 a month for health insurance, to cover entire family and employer picks up remaining $550 cost per month of the cost to health insurance. This results in a take home pay $14,240 a year. Luck on his side, finds an apartment for $700 month with all utilities included. Now this reduces yearly earnings to $5,840 to cover all family cost for the year. Add in a car with fuel, insurance and maintenance at $3,000 per year and what remains is $2840. Under $3.00 per individual per day. No entertainment and no buffer zone for accidents or lost of wages.
Along comes the “Great Recession” Safety nets cut! Miss rent due to loss wages and homelessness looms.
One Example of nets being cut and their affect; Many states cut child care. Average monthly child care for two children $1,433 per month to be subtracted from the $2,840 a month families income. Results in $1.30 per, person per day!
Lee County, FL $58,950 $921 $921 /$58,950
=
0.016 0.016 < 1

Use ACS2010 Lee County, FL
Median Income
L $53,015 1.04117 1.01661.25
=
1.02074 ($53,015 * 1.04117 * 1.02074)
=
$56,342.11
In keeping with HUD policy, the median family income estimate is rounded to the nearest $100:
Area Unrounded
FY 2013 MFI Estimate Rounded
FY 2013 MFI Estimate
Lee County, FL $56,342.11 $56,300
The FY 2013 median family income is estimated as follows:
Area ACS2010 1-Year Estimate CPI Update Factor Trending
1.66% for 1.25 years FY 2013
Area MFI Estimate
Lee County, FL $53,015 1.04117 1.01661.25
=
1.02074 ($53,015 * 1.04117 * 1.02074)
=
$56,342.11
Since there is an ACS2010 1-year estimate available, a comparison is made in order to determine if the 1-year ACS2010 estimate is different from zero:
Area ACS2010 1-Year
Median Income ACS2010 1-Year
Margin of Error Ratio Result
Lee County, FL $53,015 $2,170 $2,170 /$53,015
=
0.041 0.041 < 1

Update to ACS2010 1-Year
Median Income
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#20282 Sep 5, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
<quoted text>
Dang states; “Some researchers say that this measurement should be considered by governments when they decide how best to divide up scarce resources for research.[3]”
Kind of a DUH there lad. What in the world do you think, why have we been seeking Obamacare. Distributions of the fit and ailing in one insurance plan.
Enlarge the base of insured and the price of health care goes down. Simple mathematics. Present USA medical system was ranked by the World Bank in the 37th place to the other developed nations. They have a Health Plan in place as we have had nothing more than feeding an ever increasing monopolized health care insurance with a decreasing base of insured.
Wrong again, China is 37th, "Among advanced economies, the U.S. spends the most on health care on a relative cost basis with the worst outcome" http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/best-and... Welcome to 2013 Barney
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#20283 Sep 5, 2013
Dang wrote:
Just for you Barney:" FRANKFURT — The president of the European Central Bank issued a sober assessment of the euro zone economy, saying on Thursday that he was “very, very cautious” about prospects for growth and acknowledging concern about shock waves from the civil war in Syria.
“I can’t share the enthusiasm” about budding growth in the euro zone, Mario Draghi, the bank president, said at his monthly news conference.“These shoots are still very, very green" "The bank may not welcome undue optimism about the euro zone economy because it could cause market interest rates to rise and make credit even more unaffordable for the businesses and households in Southern Europe that need it most." Welcome to 2013. This ain't 1920, 2004 or even 2009.Someone in Russia tonight could open their mouth and cause another recession /depression. It happens that fast.
Yes I can see their dismay for those in the EU that are committed to austerity measures. Syria concerns them as well as Egypt and the other rebellions against austerity.
Yes stability in such in arena is fragile. Russia perhaps. More likely they would be more concerned that France, Germany and the Netherlands {Least inequality} walk away from their austerity policies. Another round of rebellion in the austerity states could easily evolve. Note where the greatest form of austerities inequality reigns. It is where the greatest instability resides. Greece, Italy, Turkey, Spain, Belgium and the Baltic’s which could drag the whole system into failure once again.
Now you want to see history’s take on this? Go back to 1848 and observe the similarities with the core motivation being the inequality of dispersions. Syria is trying the old ways with militants which won in 1848 but lingering currents continued. Today military personnel are slightly more educated than their predecessors. Military option is not as decisive as it once was.
Bottom line will be sculptured by the Price Of Inequality in union with the Liberal International Free Trade Markets. How the winning leadership addresses those concerns will determine that leaderships length of existence.
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#20284 Sep 5, 2013
Dnag does it again. What can I say but
Well gee thanks. So I was using the World Bank of 2010 but yours is more up to date and supports all the more what I have been commenting on. On this scale we are 46th and the MOST expensive health care system. Which explains the following;
Liberal International Free Trade Markets are taking a bite out of our overpriced medical Health Care systems. One of many examples is Mr.Shopenn of Warsaw Indiana, who required a hip replacement recently. Arthritis had set in making standing a painful exhausting effort even for short periods of time. He had the necessary health insurance but was told they would not cover it. They determined the arthritis was pre existing condition from an earlier sports injury.
Desperation motivated Mr.Shopenn to seek his solution. First he obtained a large discount thru a friend for a hip joint implant for $13,000. Then how much would the hospital charge to have it installed. Best price he could find was $65,000, Not including surgeons fees. Mr.Shopenn’s life savings indicated this was not acceptable.
Learning of the growing medical tourist seeking their medical procedures in various other areas of the world. Thailand, India, are two he turned down and settled for hospital in Brussels which offered the entire procedure, hospital room for 5 days and 1 week of therapy, with all expense’s paid including his round trip air fare for a total price of $13,600!
After his replacement and return to the USA he commented; “We have the most expensive health care in the world, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best,” Mr. Shopenn said.“I’m kind of the poster child for that.”
Mr.Shopenn’s discount, for the hip implant alone, is not appreciated by the privately insured in the USA who get billed up to 3 times that $13,000 discount of Mr.Shopenn. Dr. Blair Rhode, an orthopedist entrepreneur who manufactures hip implants explains the actual cost to one hip plant implant in the USA total cost is $350. Cost increase is stimulated by a cartel of 5 manufactures here in the USA . Averaging 5% increase per year in cost to implants, by tweaking older models and patent them as new models. Raising the prices on hip implants, knee implants, sterilized pieces of tooled metal, plastic, or ceramics, etc.
Dr. Peter M Cram of the University of Iowa, discovered in his studies for the high cost for the USA’s Health Care. The Cartel of 5 ferociously guard their domains from foreign manufactures with trade policies, patents and an expensive Food and Drug Administration approval process that deters start-ups from entering the market.
There are as many as 13 layers of vendors that must be paid before the hospital even gets its hands on the implant device. Running at $4,500 to $7500 for a hip implant cost to the hospitals who then raise that cost up substantially prior to installation.{MD Buying and Orthopedic Network News}
Joe Catugno billed $100,000, at the Hospital for Joint Diseases of N.Y., of which his insurer Cigna paid approximately $70,000 remainder for Joe to pay. Mills-Pensinsula Health Services in San Mateo Calif. Billed Susan Foley $112,317 of which $26,000 remained for Susan to pay. Sonja Nelson’s hip replacement at Sacred Heart Hospital in Pensacola Fl. Accounted for $30,581 of her billed total charge of $50,935. Insurers to negotiate limited responsibility for the differences.
Competition and large increase in demand for these services has Not lowered the prices. On the contrary they have risen.
Now we can only speculate how much Obamacare will suppress these cartel driven prices? How much will the catering charges cost, for the Feds catering to the states that require, due to the austerity ideologues of the republicans obstructions to Obamacare.








Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#20285 Sep 5, 2013
Dang wrote:
<quoted text>Lee County, FL $58,950 $921 $921 /$58,950
=
0.016 0.016 < 1
Use ACS2010 Lee County, FL
Median Income
L $53,015 1.04117 1.01661.25
=
1.02074 ($53,015 * 1.04117 * 1.02074)
=
$56,342.11
In keeping with HUD policy, the median family income estimate is rounded to the nearest $100:
Area Unrounded
FY 2013 MFI Estimate Rounded
FY 2013 MFI Estimate
Lee County, FL $56,342.11 $56,300
The FY 2013 median family income is estimated as follows:
Area ACS2010 1-Year Estimate CPI Update Factor Trending
1.66% for 1.25 years FY 2013
Area MFI Estimate
Lee County, FL $53,015 1.04117 1.01661.25
=
1.02074 ($53,015 * 1.04117 * 1.02074)
=
$56,342.11
Since there is an ACS2010 1-year estimate available, a comparison is made in order to determine if the 1-year ACS2010 estimate is different from zero:
Area ACS2010 1-Year
Median Income ACS2010 1-Year
Margin of Error Ratio Result
Lee County, FL $53,015 $2,170 $2,170 /$53,015
=
0.041 0.041 < 1
Update to ACS2010 1-Year
Median Income
Again thank you for supporting me. What brought all this on. Note; income here in Lee is within the perimeters to Sweden. Alas they do not have to pay for Universal Health Care, Universal Education and superior safety nets. It is already been deducted. Where in I had to pay for 2 college graduates and their health insurance and supply subsides when they could not find work during the Great Recession. Unemployment ran out.“OR” they could not get it due to some technicality. Now if I hadn’t have to pay for those items how much better off I would be now. That is the Price Of Inequality..
Defiant1

Deer Park, TX

#20286 Sep 5, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
Dnag does it again. What can I say but
Well gee thanks. So I was using the World Bank of 2010 but yours is more up to date and supports all the more what I have been commenting on. On this scale we are 46th and the MOST expensive health care system. Which explains the following;
Liberal International Free Trade Markets are taking a bite out of our overpriced medical Health Care systems. One of many examples is Mr.Shopenn of Warsaw Indiana, who required a hip replacement recently. Arthritis had set in making standing a painful exhausting effort even for short periods of time. He had the necessary health insurance but was told they would not cover it. They determined the arthritis was pre existing condition from an earlier sports injury.
Desperation motivated Mr.Shopenn to seek his solution. First he obtained a large discount thru a friend for a hip joint implant for $13,000. Then how much would the hospital charge to have it installed. Best price he could find was $65,000, Not including surgeons fees. Mr.Shopenn’s life savings indicated this was not acceptable.
Learning of the growing medical tourist seeking their medical procedures in various other areas of the world. Thailand, India, are two he turned down and settled for hospital in Brussels which offered the entire procedure, hospital room for 5 days and 1 week of therapy, with all expense’s paid including his round trip air fare for a total price of $13,600!
After his replacement and return to the USA he commented; “We have the most expensive health care in the world, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the best,” Mr. Shopenn said.“I’m kind of the poster child for that.”
Mr.Shopenn’s discount, for the hip implant alone, is not appreciated by the privately insured in the USA who get billed up to 3 times that $13,000 discount of Mr.Shopenn. Dr. Blair Rhode, an orthopedist entrepreneur who manufactures hip implants explains the actual cost to one hip plant implant in the USA total cost is $350. Cost increase is stimulated by a cartel of 5 manufactures here in the USA . Averaging 5% increase per year in cost to implants, by tweaking older models and patent them as new models. Raising the prices on hip implants, knee implants, sterilized pieces of tooled metal, plastic, or ceramics, etc.
Dr. Peter M Cram of the University of Iowa, discovered in his studies for the high cost for the USA’s Health Care. The Cartel of 5 ferociously guard their domains from foreign manufactures with trade policies, patents and an expensive Food and Drug Administration approval process that deters start-ups from entering the market.
There are as many as 13 layers of vendors that must be paid before the hospital even gets its hands on the implant device. Running at $4,500 to $7500 for a hip implant cost to the hospitals who then raise that cost up substantially prior to installation.{MD Buying and Orthopedic Network News}
Joe Catugno billed $100,000, at the Hospital for Joint Diseases of N.Y., of which his insurer Cigna paid approximately $70,000 remainder for Joe to pay. Mills-Pensinsula Health Services in San Mateo Calif. Billed Susan Foley $112,317 of which $26,000 remained for Susan to pay. Sonja Nelson’s hip replacement at Sacred Heart Hospital in Pensacola Fl. Accounted for $30,581 of her billed total charge of $50,935. Insurers to negotiate limited responsibility for the differences.
Competition and large increase in demand for these services has Not lowered the prices. On the contrary they have risen.
Now we can only speculate how much Obamacare will suppress these cartel driven prices? How much will the catering charges cost, for the Feds catering to the states that require, due to the austerity ideologues of the republicans obstructions to Obamacare.
Whatever, ObamaCare is garbage and so is the so-called leadership in this country.
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#20287 Sep 6, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
<quoted text>
Again thank you for supporting me. What brought all this on. Note; income here in Lee is within the perimeters to Sweden. Alas they do not have to pay for Universal Health Care, Universal Education and superior safety nets. It is already been deducted. Where in I had to pay for 2 college graduates and their health insurance and supply subsides when they could not find work during the Great Recession. Unemployment ran out.“OR” they could not get it due to some technicality. Now if I hadn’t have to pay for those items how much better off I would be now. That is the Price Of Inequality..
No, your correct, Sweden just has to worry about the rest of the "Euro" participants taking them to bankruptcy, " Greece, Italy, Turkey, Spain, Belgium and the Baltic’s which could drag the whole system into failure once again." Could it possibly be that you were SUPPOSED to help YOUR own? Why should I or anyone else throw into the pot to help your offspring when you give me what in return? Nothing, I don't have offspring. I don't want to lighten your load and make mine heavier. Your correct, THAT'S inequality.
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#20288 Sep 6, 2013
Dang wrote:
<quoted text>No, your correct, Sweden just has to worry about the rest of the "Euro" participants taking them to bankruptcy, " Greece, Italy, Turkey, Spain, Belgium and the Baltic’s which could drag the whole system into failure once again." Could it possibly be that you were SUPPOSED to help YOUR own? Why should I or anyone else throw into the pot to help your offspring when you give me what in return? Nothing, I don't have offspring. I don't want to lighten your load and make mine heavier. Your correct, THAT'S inequality.
Here you are partially correct. Sweden does have concerns for the failure of the EU. No doubt as does the rest of the world. What happens will have ripple effects to all financial institutions. Some more sever than others. Keep in mind that the EU is not supreme player in the Liberal International Free Trade Markets. There lost will be assimilated by outside competitors such as the Asian Markets, Indo China, China, Japan etc. to make a profit from their lost. They will require to reorganize to get back into the Markets for competition, to progress. Perhaps they will identify austerity as a major contributor to their failure and will take appropriate action or not. Austerity will be the measure by which will determine their survival. Orthodox Communism discovered their flaw of inability to compete in the Liberal International Free Trade Markets and have taken steps to remedy that. EU’s austerity will have to do the same or face further regression in their world status.
AS to the rest of your comment on distribution of inequality. I have provided numbers that would benefit, yes even the lone hermit in the woods, if inequality were to be more justified in its distributions. Now I will provide a video chart which may be more helpful in comprehending inequality as it is presently within the USA. We take care of that problem and the might of the USA would be undisputable through out the world and its Free Markets. Yes even here in the USA Austerity has taken its toll. Diminishing our strengths to compete effectively.
http://neweconomy.net/content/wealth-inequali... video chart USA wealth Distributions..



Dang

Lenoir, NC

#20289 Sep 6, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
<quoted text>
Here you are partially correct. Sweden does have concerns for the failure of the EU. No doubt as does the rest of the world. What happens will have ripple effects to all financial institutions. Some more sever than others. Keep in mind that the EU is not supreme player in the Liberal International Free Trade Markets. There lost will be assimilated by outside competitors such as the Asian Markets, Indo China, China, Japan etc. to make a profit from their lost. They will require to reorganize to get back into the Markets for competition, to progress. Perhaps they will identify austerity as a major contributor to their failure and will take appropriate action or not. Austerity will be the measure by which will determine their survival. Orthodox Communism discovered their flaw of inability to compete in the Liberal International Free Trade Markets and have taken steps to remedy that. EU’s austerity will have to do the same or face further regression in their world status.
AS to the rest of your comment on distribution of inequality. I have provided numbers that would benefit, yes even the lone hermit in the woods, if inequality were to be more justified in its distributions. Now I will provide a video chart which may be more helpful in comprehending inequality as it is presently within the USA. We take care of that problem and the might of the USA would be undisputable through out the world and its Free Markets. Yes even here in the USA Austerity has taken its toll. Diminishing our strengths to compete effectively.
http://neweconomy.net/content/wealth-inequali... video chart USA wealth Distributions..
"Lone hermit"??? What the hell are you talking about? Are you freaking kidding me about China? You are a rambling editorial fool. EU remains a trading power...
15.5
% of world trade (in goods) in 2011
First
exporter
14.9
%(2011)
Largest
importer
16,1
%(2011)
EU
-
27 received

241.7
bn in FDI 2011
(ranking 1
st
before US

226.9 bn)
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#20290 Sep 6, 2013
Rank.
EU Exports to
Mio euro
% world
1
USA
291.775
17.3
2
China
143.880
8,5
3
Switzerland
133.365
7,9
4
Russia
123.284
7,3
5
Turkey
75.102
4,5
6
Japan
55.489
3,3
7
Norway
49.834
3,0
8
Brazil
39.555
2,3
9
India
38.468
2,3
10
South Korea
37.764
2,2
The EU in world trade
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#20291 Sep 6, 2013
The EU in world trade
10 major EU
import
partners (2012)
Rank.
EU Imports from
Mio euro
% world
1
China
289.710
16,2
2
Russia
213.396
11,9
3
USA
205.694
11,5
4
Switzerland
104.502
5,8
5
Norway
100.547
5,6
6
Japan
63.763
3,6
7
Turkey
47.767
2,7
8
South Korea
37.878
2,1
9
India
37.286
2,1
10
Brazil
37.037

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