L. Ray Smith
Posted in the London Forum
#1 Jul 4, 2011
"exposing those who contradict"
#2 Jul 5, 2011
He must be where you get your "Universalism" from.
He is still overlooking what Jesus said and besides if "Universalism" were true then the Saints would not receive the justice they deserve and the Justice that God promised them.
"Let no man deceive you"
John 3:16 (NIV)
1. Suffer death, typically in a violent, sudden, or untimely way.
2. Suffer complete ruin or destruction.
(Suffer complete ruin or destruction)
#3 Jul 5, 2011
#4 Jul 5, 2011
And I thought you was smarter then that Oger,that may be so in your book,but not in reality... You will know more...when you learn more...
Which one of the reported 38,000 or so Christian denominations are you affected by???None for me I use the BOOK...
While "Christ died for our sins" (I Cor. 15:3), all sins that Jesus died for must be repented of or that person will not inherit the Kingdom of God, but will rather be raised up in Judgment. Christ dying for the sins of the world is not the final step with the issue of sin and sinners. The final step is to GET THE SIN OUT OF THE SINNER, and that is precisely what will happen, Christ "will judge the world in righteousness" (Acts 17:31) and the ungodly "will learn righteousness" (Isa. 26:9). Then and only then will "God be ALL in All" (I Cor. 15:28).
The bible has been altered many times. Books were taken and books were added.
Many mis-transliterations have occurred. I also believe the Original words of the Bible were the inspired word of God which has been corrupted by man to some degree. I have yet to encounter anything man has not denigrated in some way."And that's all I got to say about that" - F. Gump
#5 Jul 6, 2011
"Which one of the reported 38,000 or so Christian denominations are you affected by???None for me I use the BOOK..."
Actually none, However the "Seventh Day Adventists" are about as close to the truth as one could get.
In your second paragraph you quoted scripture many times but then turned around and stated..."The bible has been altered many times. Books were taken and books were added. Many mis-transliterations have occurred. I also believe the Original words of the Bible were the inspired word of God which has been corrupted by man to some degree."...
While I have honest respect for you, I find you making the mistake of not placing Jesus (The Messiah) FIRST before anything else in scripture. Learn all that he said, learn all that he taught and learn exactly what his parables meant. Then again if the Holy Spirit never gives you the gift of "spiritual discernment". Just like Jesus said, without that one would never understand any scripture or anything He said or taught.
All the scripture you quoted was written by man, Not spoken by Jesus. And you said it yourself, "Man has corrupted scripture" and I fully agree with you on that.
Do a little research and you will find that the biggest part of "scripture corruption" as I like to call it actually began with "Saint Jerome".
The only "Book" I follow for the OT is the Septuagint (Including the Apocrypha).
And one more thing.."God be ALL in All" (I Cor. 15:28).
Remove all sinners and God would in fact be..."ALL in ALL".
The teachings of L. Ray Smith only gives sinners a free pass to sin in this life as much as they wish. And that in the long run they will be rewarded which pretty much pitches one of the purposes of Jesus right out the window IMO.
That is quite dangerous if you seriously stop and think about it. As well as it clearly goes against the teachings of Jesus.
#6 Jul 6, 2011
I don't think its dangerous or a free pass,we are all on the same boat ride,we pay the price for our ride when its over,everything has a price and there is a process and its not a pretty thing(in my mind).Simply put,you can relate it to an old time ass-whipping by Pappy when you get home,knowing you done something wrong and He's waiting for you,although more involved.
"For the disposition of the flesh is death, yet the disposition of the spirit is life and peace, because the disposition of the flesh [the carnal mind] is ENMITY to God, for it is not subject to the law of God, for NEITHER IS IT ABLE" (Rom. 8:6-8).
"Not ONE is just--not even one. Not one is understanding. Not ONE is seeking out God. All AVOID Him... Not one is doing kindness: THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE!" (Rom. 3:11-12).
No, God doesn't need to 'FORCE' people to do evil, neither CAN THEY do good! In fact, Jesus plainly said that:
"NO ONE CAN come to Me if ever the Father Who sends Me should not be drawing [Greek: DRAGGING] him" (John 6:44).
God Himself IS both the Creator of the mess, and the SAVIOUR of it ALL!!!
There is a great PURPOSE in it all. And all will turn out just great in the end. We need a spirit of wisdom to trust God that He knows EXACTLY WHAT HE IS DOING DOWN TO THE VIBRATION OF THE LAST ELECTRON.
#7 Jul 6, 2011
No Universalism involved,hope this helps.
The life that is promised to the elect who overcome is life for the aeons"aeonian life." They are promised ruler ship with Jesus on this earth over the nations, Rev. 2:26. They are NOT promised ruler ship over the nations for all eternity, as not even Christ Himself rules over the nations eternally.
#8 Jul 6, 2011
KJV 1 Corinthians 15:28
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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