Bible study rules for public schools proposed

[Spaceship earth]

Rev Harlan Pritchett wrote:

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Don’t you know there’s only one real Bible, God’s own KJV. It about time that we put God back in school where He belongs. As good shepherds, we need to herd our children up the right path with Jesus to protect them from temptations of curiosity and the flesh to save them from eternal hell fire and damnation.
Turn or burn!

A common error in burger cooking is constantly pressing down on it with a spatula, to try to bring more heat to the meat. That's a recipe to cook a burger desert-dry. A spatula is for turning, not "burning." Pressing down only robs the burger of moisture, pushing much-wanted juices out of the meat. Put the burger on to cook and leave it alone, turning once only.

[Betterlatethanne ver]

Quantummist wrote:

Essential Salts, you're going about it the wrong way.
I For One, never ever respond to any of them. For they Have Not the intellectual ability to understand me anyway. I am known in these parts for my jems.
For I believe in Nothing and I claim Nothing, therefore I know Nothing.

That was a rather good impersonation. The real one uses a little green box of a registered member,. I think.

[Spaceship earth]

Betterlatethanne ver wrote:

It is called the Church of Stop Shopping. And on the other extreme, look up Sarah Palin getting blessed by a socalled witch hunter at her church in Alaska, Messina, or whatever the town is. He did a laying on of hands with some helpers, and called down money and power upon her. just before she got called to be vp.(well, not exactly)

The Shopocalypse is coming soon to a store near you.

That was funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[EssentialSalts]

Betterlatethanne ver wrote:

<quoted text> that was not to me, but why not? one does not have to eat all food in a cafeteria, either. what counts is whether you pick the stuff that is good for you, or the stuff that isn't.

I cannot speak for him, but for me it's a matter of people claiming the bible is true, that it's the word of God and the word of God through man (divine inspiration), but there are certain things you can reference in the bible and people will give an excuse for what it says (apologist response).

If they said "You know, there are parts of the bible I agree with, but there's a lot I don't," that would be great. But a lot of people won't admit that.

Then again, some of the parts they choose to accept as true can prevent them from gaining knowledge. Look at YAA and his belief that the great flood occurred. He uses creationist arguments that were debunked years ago, but he doesn't care because he believes that is "true science." He doesn't accept the history of the story of a great flood because that's Satan tricking people or whatever he believes. Whether they believe in all or some parts, it can result in the suppression of intellect.

[Betterlatethanne ver]

Quantummist wrote:

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But I actually did run into some glitter while walking in the woods looking for wild flowers to photograph... Just following the evidence....

Please share your evidence by providing links to your photos of wild flowers and glitter in the woods. also any photos you may have of flying unicorns....

[Rev Harlan Pritchett]

Betterlatethanne ver wrote:

<quoted text> Are you kidding or serious?

Was Jesus serious delivering the sermon on the mount?

And how can we say some things in the Bible are true and others are only fanciful tales? Is it OK to covet neighbors as long as we don’t kill their wives or other chattel? I’m not one of those “convenient” Christians who thinks he can pick and choose. No way, Jose! That’s why I’m happy to see God’s back in school to spread the Good News that Jesus is coming back too.

The Bible says it, I believe it and that’s that. Does that answer your question?

[Rev Harlan Pritchett]

EssentialSalts wrote:

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I cannot speak for him, but for me it's a matter of people claiming the bible is true, that it's the word of God and the word of God through man (divine inspiration), but there are certain things you can reference in the bible and people will give an excuse for what it says (apologist response).
If they said "You know, there are parts of the bible I agree with, but there's a lot I don't," that would be great. But a lot of people won't admit that.
Then again, some of the parts they choose to accept as true can prevent them from gaining knowledge. Look at YAA and his belief that the great flood occurred. He uses creationist arguments that were debunked years ago, but he doesn't care because he believes that is "true science." He doesn't accept the history of the story of a great flood because that's Satan tricking people or whatever he believes. Whether they believe in all or some parts, it can result in the suppression of intellect.

Of course there was a flood. At the end of the ice age, the ice melted, and surprise, a big flood. If people would just read the Bible (KJV, of course), they'd have no question about Earth's history. We have a museum in Kentucky, just south of Cincinnati, that acurately depicts creation with all that stuff.

Turn or burn.

[Betterlatethanne ver]

Peace For Christ wrote:

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It increases, not decreases, our responsibility. There is no escape.

Have you ever listened to the Garrison Keillor radio show on PBS on Sat or Sunday? He has a made up town in Minnesota called Lake Woebegone. In it there is a Catholic church called Our Lady of Perpetual Responsibility. You might enjoy his show. It is usually Sat eve and Sunday afternoon.

[Rev Harlan Pritchett]

Quantummist wrote:

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Horsey Puckey Doo Doo

What's Horsey Puckey Doo Doo? It sounds really of gay. We need to spread the Word of God in schools and you should be proud that Kentucky is the state anting to do it. God bless Kentucky and save its children!

Turn or burn.

[Betterlatethanne ver]

Idiot Hater wrote:

Christians have been scaring the world with "armageddon," "the anti-christ," and "the mark of the beast" for literally centuries and really in high gear for the LAST 40 YEARS. My question is WHERE IS IT???????
Example:
The Late, Great Planet Earth is the title of a best-selling 1970 book co-authored by Hal Lindsey and Carole C. Carlson, and first published by Zondervan. The book was adapted in 1979 into a movie narrated by Orson Welles and released by Pacific International Enterprises. It was originally ghost-written by Carlson,whom later printings credited as co-author. Lindsey and Carlson went on to write several sequels, including Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth and The 1980s: Countdown to Armageddon.
The Late, Great Planet Earth is a treatment of literalist, premillennial, dispensational eschatology. As such, it compared end-time prophecies in the Bible with then-current events in an attempt to broadly predict future scenarios leading to the rapture of believers before the tribulation and Second Coming of Christ to establish his thousand-year (i.e. millennial) Kingdom on Earth. Focusing on key passages in the books of Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelation, Lindsey originally suggested the possibility that these climactic events might play out in the 1980s, which he interpreted as one generation from the foundation of modern Israel in 1948, a pivotal event in most evangelical (especially conservative evangelical) schools of eschatological thought. Cover art on the Bantam edition boldly suggested that the 1970s were the "era of the Antichrist as foretold by Moses and Jesus," and called the book "a penetrating look at incredible ancient prophecies involving this generation." Descriptions of alleged "fulfilled" prophecy were offered as proof of the infallibility of God's Word, and evidence that "unfulfilled" prophecies would soon find their denouement in God's plan for the planet.
He cited an increase in the frequency of famines, wars and earthquakes, as key events leading up to the end of the world. He also foretold a Russian invasion of Israel. Like many previous books, The Late, Great Planet Earth postulated an Antichrist ruling over a ten-member or ten-nation European confederacy. Lindsey believed that what was then the six-member European Economic Community (later the 27-member European Union) could be a forerunner of this confederacy, which he considered to be a revival of the Roman Empire. He found little in the Bible that could represent the United States of America, but he suggested that Ezekiel 13:13 could be speaking of the United States in part.
Although Lindsey did not claim to know the dates of future events with any certainty, he suggested that Matthew 24:32-34 indicated that Jesus' return might be within "one generation" of the rebirth of the state of Israel, and the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple, and Lindsey asserted that "in the Bible" one generation is forty years. Some readers took this as an indication that the Tribulation or the Rapture would occur no later than 1988. In his 1980 work The 1980s: Countdown to Armageddon, Lindsey predicted that "the decade of the 1980s could very well be the last decade of history as we know it".
Wow. That last quote from his book was REALLY scary...too bad nothing happened.
What's god's answer to this?????

Hey, in that was a clue as to why fundies are so opposed to the notion that there might be global warming with some problems caused by man's activity. Some of the results predicted include especially severe and heavy storms and extremes of weather. The fundies who are the Armageddon Welcoming Committee type - if I understand the concept correctly - want to hurry up the end of the world. Therefore another tornado is a goodthing, more insect pests are good things, etc.

[Betterlatethanne ver]

EssentialSalts wrote:

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I cannot speak for him, but for me it's a matter of people claiming the bible is true, that it's the word of God and the word of God through man (divine inspiration), but there are certain things you can reference in the bible and people will give an excuse for what it says (apologist response).
If they said "You know, there are parts of the bible I agree with, but there's a lot I don't," that would be great. But a lot of people won't admit that.
Then again, some of the parts they choose to accept as true can prevent them from gaining knowledge. Look at YAA and his belief that the great flood occurred. He uses creationist arguments that were debunked years ago, but he doesn't care because he believes that is "true science." He doesn't accept the history of the story of a great flood because that's Satan tricking people or whatever he believes. Whether they believe in all or some parts, it can result in the suppression of intellect.

Well, I was not meaning so much about the stories and the theology - I meant that some of the ethical teachings are similar to rational ethics in other religions and in law and philosophy and in the character of kind and good persons - and some of the moralistic teachings are ridiculous and disgusting and mostly based on food fetishes and sexual obsessions, and on being submissive to a bossy god.

[Rev Harlan Pritchett]

Spaceship earth wrote:

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The Shopocalypse is coming soon to a store near you.
That was funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Let’s put Christ back in Christmas and exorcize Disney and all the other demons from it. Our children would turn out better if we celebrated Christmas by bunking them in a manger Christmas Eve rather than stuffing presents under a pagan celebration tree. It’s not supposed to be fun, but serious.

[EssentialSalts]

Rev Harlan Pritchett wrote:

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Of course there was a flood. At the end of the ice age, the ice melted, and surprise, a big flood. If people would just read the Bible (KJV, of course), they'd have no question about Earth's history. We have a museum in Kentucky, just south of Cincinnati, that acurately depicts creation with all that stuff.
Turn or burn.

I like this satire I'm seeing. I especially like the catchphrase you're using (Turn or burn). The problem is that believers may not get it. Or maybe that's what you want. It is isn't it? You're making these silly claims and hoping they agree with them. Genius.

[Betterlatethanne ver]

Spaceship earth wrote:

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The Shopocalypse is coming soon to a store near you.
That was funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Yes, and there was a useful political ad about Scott Walker and other GOP reactionaries on there too. thanks for finding this and putting up the link. glad you liked it. Rev Billy has such lovely hair for this sort of satire - and the way he combs it. Did you ever see the film Marjoe (I think that was the name he used) made about how he exploited his boyishness to make gobs of $$$ for the fundies? did you ever read about the son of one of the rich fundie promoters, who turned against the religious propaganda - maybe Schafer of some name like that? Does anyone recall the name?

[EssentialSalts]

Betterlatethanne ver wrote:

<quoted text> Well, I was not meaning so much about the stories and the theology - I meant that some of the ethical teachings are similar to rational ethics in other religions and in law and philosophy and in the character of kind and good persons - and some of the moralistic teachings are ridiculous and disgusting and mostly based on food fetishes and sexual obsessions, and on being submissive to a bossy god.

Right, so even with ethical teachings you run into problems. Look no further than the bible being used to justify the dehumanizing (and sometimes killing) of specific groups that it speaks against.

Even if people pick and choose ethics, they make pick the wrong ones.

[Betterlatethanne ver]

The Specialist wrote:

<quoted text>I am totally on board with you, LOL in a Suit. You're right, religion is the biggest load of BS ever conjured up by man.

One of several horrible parts of human society - nationalism, ethnicity, racism, tribalism, familyism being another subset of horrors, sexism being anotherk and agism another - discrimination against old and young, and of course, diminishing the value of other animals and of entire species and ecosystems and the entire planet and its air and water and temperature and tides and sea levels, being another,. Religious views are often complicit in fortifying the worst aspects of many of the other horrible fixations.

[Betterlatethanne ver]

Specialist - were you involved in a debate with someone named xcentric in vidor, on another thread once some time ago? I think I recall your name.

[Rev Harlan Pritchett]

Spaceship earth wrote:

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A common error in burger cooking is constantly pressing down on it with a spatula, to try to bring more heat to the meat. That's a recipe to cook a burger desert-dry. A spatula is for turning, not "burning." Pressing down only robs the burger of moisture, pushing much-wanted juices out of the meat. Put the burger on to cook and leave it alone, turning once only.

I wan’t talking about how to flip burgers. I leave that to those professional chefs at McDonald’s.

I’m concerned about about your focus on having fun with spatulas and staying moist, rather than turning to Jesus. Sure, it’s all fun until someone gets a soul poked out.

Turn or burn.

[Rev Harlan Pritchett]

Betterlatethanne ver wrote:

<quoted text> Yes, and there was a useful political ad about Scott Walker and other GOP reactionaries on there too. thanks for finding this and putting up the link. glad you liked it. Rev Billy has such lovely hair for this sort of satire - and the way he combs it. Did you ever see the film Marjoe (I think that was the name he used) made about how he exploited his boyishness to make gobs of $$$ for the fundies? did you ever read about the son of one of the rich fundie promoters, who turned against the religious propaganda - maybe Schafer of some name like that? Does anyone recall the name?

If you enjoy real blaspheming, you’ll probably think http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ is a riot.

Turn or burn.

[Yiago]

Betterlatethanne ver wrote:

<quoted text>It is possible that there could be a small percentage like that. I think that the emotional needs are probably the stronger ones, however. What matters is what percentage of persons can be educated or raised from early childhood to think relatively rationally, and what percentage of others can be educated or raised to be at least tolerant and not persecute others with different views. That is my opinion, at least.

I think it is possible to raise children to not need to have religious superstitions. I think it might be tougher to get them to not enjoy Santa Claus, especially with the real presents and fun celebrations. Santa Claus is much nicer than God, after all. I think many parents teach their children mostly about a very nice version of Jesus, who is a sort of a-sexual to feminine unconditionally loving parent, compensating for the lack of unconditional love by either God or real fathers, sometimes. If real fathers gave unconditional love, and made children feel secure - despite being critical of some specific unacceptable behaviors, for explained reasons - children would feel less threatened. A God the Father like that would be a nicer God. I wonder if whether just taking away the threat of hell would make Christianity a nicer religion?

That and the Rapture and last days stuff are the worst parts of Christianity. I think I figured out what is meant by Armageddon Welcoming Committee. Does it mean the folks who want it to happen soon and want to be "alive" to see it after they are raptured up to a save place?

Interesting points. You might be onto something with Jesus-as-father-figure.

I think Xianity would have to lose a ton of baggage to be a nicer religion. But personally I think truth is more important. If you could eliminate the need for a literally true Bible story it might be ok. But people want their beliefs to match reality. And reality does match Xian beliefs.