A Nation Divided is Not a Mandate

A Nation Divided is Not a Mandate

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#1 Nov 10, 2012
The following is my own personal commentary and opinion on the outcome of the presidential election. No spin-doctors here, just my own personal opinion.

Over the last few days, I have heard the presidential election outcome referred to as,'a smack-down','an over-whelming victory', and a win by such a margin as to give President Obama a mandate.
Now the truth of the matter is this; Obama won by such a very narrow margin, there is no mandate. And to say otherwise is simple delusional. In fact, such a narrow win by Obama, leaves nearly half the nation to feel they are not being represented.

A nation divided is never a good thing. Yes, we live in a democratic society where the majority rules, but when the majority so narrowly outweighs the minority, is there really room to celebrate? Barack Obama now has half a nation on his side. Where does that leave the other half? And by the way, a large majority of the 'other half' are people like myself; over 50, Christian Conservative, working class people. And now the young liberals seem to think it is open season on the people who didn't vote the way they did.

I am sure I speak for many others besides myself when I say, I feel my entire way of life is now being threatened, and my Christian beliefs are at stake. What the liberal Democrats call 'progress', I call a moral decline of this nation; plain and simple!

And before the Democrats start spewing,'in-your-face' comments, I would like to point out one simple fact of life; the higher you build yourself up on your own ego, the farther you have to fall in the end. Or in more common terms,'what goes around, comes around'.
agree

Manchester, KY

#2 Nov 10, 2012
Exactly how i feel, very well said.
hehe

East Bernstadt, KY

#3 Nov 10, 2012
Obama 332 electoral votes
Romney 203
not so close an election after all.
The truth is; Romney could not muster the full support of the Republican party and all their factions.
The Republicans have stalemated this country for 2 years, They have disrespected our President to the point that they made their own party sick of it. I don't see the nation as divided, I see 1/2 the nation as being misinformed.

The other truth is; Your beliefs {Christan or otherwise} are not being threatened unless they interfere or suppress the beliefs and freedoms of others.As you stated - the majority won - and according the Republican logic, that's a mandate.

hehe

Since: Mar 09

London, KY

#4 Nov 10, 2012
beg2differ wrote:
The following is my own personal commentary and opinion on the outcome of the presidential election. No spin-doctors here, just my own personal opinion.
Over the last few days, I have heard the presidential election outcome referred to as,'a smack-down','an over-whelming victory', and a win by such a margin as to give President Obama a mandate.
Now the truth of the matter is this; Obama won by such a very narrow margin, there is no mandate. And to say otherwise is simple delusional. In fact, such a narrow win by Obama, leaves nearly half the nation to feel they are not being represented.
A nation divided is never a good thing. Yes, we live in a democratic society where the majority rules, but when the majority so narrowly outweighs the minority, is there really room to celebrate? Barack Obama now has half a nation on his side. Where does that leave the other half? And by the way, a large majority of the 'other half' are people like myself; over 50, Christian Conservative, working class people. And now the young liberals seem to think it is open season on the people who didn't vote the way they did.
I am sure I speak for many others besides myself when I say, I feel my entire way of life is now being threatened, and my Christian beliefs are at stake. What the liberal Democrats call 'progress', I call a moral decline of this nation; plain and simple!
And before the Democrats start spewing,'in-your-face' comments, I would like to point out one simple fact of life; the higher you build yourself up on your own ego, the farther you have to fall in the end. Or in more common terms,'what goes around, comes around'.
Well, first off, we are not a democratic society. We elect reps and have a Constitution. The majority does not rule.

Second you may feel your way of life is being threatened but I am sure there are others happy that they finally have the freedom to persue happiness like you have had all these years. People don't want religion forced on them. They see what is taking place in other countries where it is. While you may feel that your religion has all the answers others don't see it that way. I know a lot of people will say they are not forcing it but they are. They may not be always trying to force someone to become a Christian but they are trying to get laws passed that hold up their own religious mandated and, naturally, others see this as unfair.

I don't understand why we can't each live our own religion in our own lives and let the other live his and let our laws follow the Constitution.

Since: Sep 10

Prevost USA

#5 Nov 10, 2012
hehe wrote:
Obama 332 electoral votes
Romney 203
not so close an election after all.
The truth is; Romney could not muster the full support of the Republican party and all their factions.
The Republicans have stalemated this country for 2 years, They have disrespected our President to the point that they made their own party sick of it. I don't see the nation as divided, I see 1/2 the nation as being misinformed.
The other truth is; Your beliefs {Christan or otherwise} are not being threatened unless they interfere or suppress the beliefs and freedoms of others.As you stated - the majority won - and according the Republican logic, that's a mandate.
hehe
oBAMA won by fewer votes this time then last.
After a few days to to take it in I am glade oBAMA won.
After 8 years and the debt will grow over 50% and unemployment will still be around 14% and those working will be working for less and the oBAMA voters will be suffering with the rest of us,The progressive movement will be gone for ever.

When half the people working pay no income tax we are on the road to Greece.

So I say when will they pay their fair share?
SpeakUpMoron

London, KY

#6 Nov 10, 2012
hehe wrote:
Obama 332 electoral votes
Romney 203
not so close an election after all.
The truth is; Romney could not muster the full support of the Republican party and all their factions.
The Republicans have stalemated this country for 2 years, They have disrespected our President to the point that they made their own party sick of it. I don't see the nation as divided, I see 1/2 the nation as being misinformed.
The other truth is; Your beliefs {Christan or otherwise} are not being threatened unless they interfere or suppress the beliefs and freedoms of others.As you stated - the majority won - and according the Republican logic, that's a mandate.
hehe
Yes, it's divided. Look at the electoral map. Look at the votes that Obama got in the south and Plains states. This country has not been this divided since 1862. That's a fact. Suggesting otherwise is merely "whistling past the graveyard." And, no, I don't respect the President or his handlers. Never have and never will. As long as I'm not making threats, I'm entitled to my opinion and free speech.
SpeakUpMoron

London, KY

#7 Nov 10, 2012
Country Bumpkin2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, first off, we are not a democratic society. We elect reps and have a Constitution. The majority does not rule.
Second you may feel your way of life is being threatened but I am sure there are others happy that they finally have the freedom to persue happiness like you have had all these years. People don't want religion forced on them. They see what is taking place in other countries where it is. While you may feel that your religion has all the answers others don't see it that way. I know a lot of people will say they are not forcing it but they are. They may not be always trying to force someone to become a Christian but they are trying to get laws passed that hold up their own religious mandated and, naturally, others see this as unfair.
I don't understand why we can't each live our own religion in our own lives and let the other live his and let our laws follow the Constitution.
Where did you get from Romney's platform that religious or civil liberties were being threatened. Or, my favorite, that Republicans were going to suppress women's rights? You all have pounded that point home for two weeks. Now back it up, put up a link, do something. Otherwise, you're full of sh*t and unable to do your research. Your only source of information is the MSM and Chrissie Matthews.

Since: Jul 11

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#8 Nov 10, 2012
hehe wrote:
Obama 332 electoral votes
Romney 203
not so close an election after all.
The truth is; Romney could not muster the full support of the Republican party and all their factions.
The Republicans have stalemated this country for 2 years, They have disrespected our President to the point that they made their own party sick of it. I don't see the nation as divided, I see 1/2 the nation as being misinformed.
The other truth is; Your beliefs {Christan or otherwise} are not being threatened unless they interfere or suppress the beliefs and freedoms of others.As you stated - the majority won - and according the Republican logic, that's a mandate.
hehe
The electoral votes are not representative of the NUMBER of VOTES received by either candidate. Let me break it down for you:

Obama - 61,680,896 Votes
Romney - 58,482,875 Votes
Others - 1,924,385 Votes

When you combine the number of voters who voted AGAINST Obama it amounts to 60,407,260 voters!

This shows very clearly that there were only 1,273,636 more people who voted for Obama than Romney or other candidates. That is a very narrow margin.
And I will also point out, that 16 states had less than 100% votes reported. I am not saying that would have made a difference in who won; I am simply pointing out that the above numbers would have been slightly different had all the votes been counted.

But the bottom line is that a win of slightly more than a million votes is a very narrow margin win.
hehe

East Bernstadt, KY

#10 Nov 10, 2012
The Real Just Me wrote:
<quoted text>oBAMA won by fewer votes this time then last.
After a few days to to take it in I am glade oBAMA won.
After 8 years and the debt will grow over 50% and unemployment will still be around 14% and those working will be working for less and the oBAMA voters will be suffering with the rest of us,The progressive movement will be gone for ever.
When half the people working pay no income tax we are on the road to Greece.
So I say when will they pay their fair share?
Now come on,
by it's very definition, the progressive movement will never be over. Advancements are on the move, new strides are made everyday.

I can make the same predictions as you, only brighter.
What will you do when after the 2nd term employment is down around 5%, wages are up, debt is decreasing, and the nation is prospering.
What will you see then ?
Are you so far gone that you can not visualise this for our country ?
sad that you wake everyday to your self imposed negative existence.

hehe
hehe

East Bernstadt, KY

#11 Nov 10, 2012
beg2differ wrote:
<quoted text>
The electoral votes are not representative of the NUMBER of VOTES received by either candidate. Let me break it down for you:
Obama - 61,680,896 Votes
Romney - 58,482,875 Votes
Others - 1,924,385 Votes
When you combine the number of voters who voted AGAINST Obama it amounts to 60,407,260 voters!
This shows very clearly that there were only 1,273,636 more people who voted for Obama than Romney or other candidates. That is a very narrow margin.
And I will also point out, that 16 states had less than 100% votes reported. I am not saying that would have made a difference in who won; I am simply pointing out that the above numbers would have been slightly different had all the votes been counted.
But the bottom line is that a win of slightly more than a million votes is a very narrow margin win.
You think the "voted for other" category is people who voted against Obama ? hahahaha, dumbass
Romney didn't have the full republican support - so - It could just as easily have been people who voted against Romney
The only point that matters is - Obama won. get it - hahahaha

hehe
FYI

Mount Vernon, KY

#12 Nov 10, 2012
SpeakUpMoron wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it's divided. Look at the electoral map. Look at the votes that Obama got in the south and Plains states. This country has not been this divided since 1862. That's a fact. Suggesting otherwise is merely "whistling past the graveyard." And, no, I don't respect the President or his handlers. Never have and never will. As long as I'm not making threats, I'm entitled to my opinion and free speech.
Call your beloved Karl Rove and complain to him .......LMAO

Since: Sep 10

Prevost USA

#13 Nov 10, 2012
hehe wrote:
<quoted text>
Now come on,
by it's very definition, the progressive movement will never be over. Advancements are on the move, new strides are made everyday.
I can make the same predictions as you, only brighter.
What will you do when after the 2nd term employment is down around 5%, wages are up, debt is decreasing, and the nation is prospering.
What will you see then ?
Are you so far gone that you can not visualise this for our country ?
sad that you wake everyday to your self imposed negative existence.
hehe
I can only go by the last 4 year trend and what oBAMA wants,Nothing more then that.Have you heard all the companies that have started laying off with the markets in decline?

You do know when people give up looking for a job thats not really a decline in the unemployment number?

Since: Sep 10

Prevost USA

#14 Nov 10, 2012
hehe wrote:
<quoted text>
You think the "voted for other" category is people who voted against Obama ? hahahaha, dumbass
Romney didn't have the full republican support - so - It could just as easily have been people who voted against Romney
The only point that matters is - Obama won. get it - hahahaha
hehe
They sure in the hell didn't vote for oBAMA.

Since: Jul 11

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#15 Nov 10, 2012
Country Bumpkin2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, first off, we are not a democratic society. We elect reps and have a Constitution. The majority does not rule.
Second you may feel your way of life is being threatened but I am sure there are others happy that they finally have the freedom to persue happiness like you have had all these years. People don't want religion forced on them. They see what is taking place in other countries where it is. While you may feel that your religion has all the answers others don't see it that way. I know a lot of people will say they are not forcing it but they are. They may not be always trying to force someone to become a Christian but they are trying to get laws passed that hold up their own religious mandated and, naturally, others see this as unfair.
I don't understand why we can't each live our own religion in our own lives and let the other live his and let our laws follow the Constitution.
I guess I must be in the wrong country. I thought I still lived in a democracy where there was freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom to elect leaders, etc., etc., etc.
I also thought the majority still ruled. I thought that's why we have trouble getting any work done in Congress because of a failure to get a majority vote.
The last time I checked America was still a republican democracy, or a democratic republic; whichever way you choose to say it.

I do agree with your last statement to a degree. But some things just aren't up for compromise for Christians, such as tax payer money being used to fund things that are in opposition to their religious beliefs. If a Christian is to compromise their religious beliefs then they have to find a new religion other than Christianity. It's as simple as that.
I am not trying to shove my religion down anyone's throat, but I do take issue with being forced to fund something that goes against my core beliefs.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#16 Nov 10, 2012
beg2differ wrote:
<quoted text>
The electoral votes are not representative of the NUMBER of VOTES received by either candidate. Let me break it down for you:
Obama - 61,680,896 Votes
Romney - 58,482,875 Votes
Others - 1,924,385 Votes
When you combine the number of voters who voted AGAINST Obama it amounts to 60,407,260 voters!
This shows very clearly that there were only 1,273,636 more people who voted for Obama than Romney or other candidates. That is a very narrow margin.
And I will also point out, that 16 states had less than 100% votes reported. I am not saying that would have made a difference in who won; I am simply pointing out that the above numbers would have been slightly different had all the votes been counted.
But the bottom line is that a win of slightly more than a million votes is a very narrow margin win.
But FAR better than Bush vs Gore, unbiased one.

I will also point out that since prejudism lerks so heavily in the southern states the other poster mentioned, it isn't surprising at all. Factually, totally expected. I found it more amazing that Obama took Romney's home state. He took Ryan's home state. He took the State Romney was ONE TERM Governor in....swing state after swing state called for Obama. I forewarned you Ohio would come through for Obama and...it did. I forewarned you Wisconsin would go to Obama and...he did. I forewarned you Obama would take 277+ in Electoral and...he did. And here I was trying to give you more benefit of the doubt. Romney bowed out gracefully ...around 1am. But I'll give Romney one thing. He's a businessman and....he knows when he's beat.

“You Will Reap What U Sow”

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#17 Nov 10, 2012
beg2differ wrote:
The following is my own personal commentary and opinion on the outcome of the presidential election. No spin-doctors here, just my own personal opinion.
Over the last few days, I have heard the presidential election outcome referred to as,'a smack-down','an over-whelming victory', and a win by such a margin as to give President Obama a mandate.
Now the truth of the matter is this; Obama won by such a very narrow margin, there is no mandate. And to say otherwise is simple delusional. In fact, such a narrow win by Obama, leaves nearly half the nation to feel they are not being represented.
A nation divided is never a good thing. Yes, we live in a democratic society where the majority rules, but when the majority so narrowly outweighs the minority, is there really room to celebrate? Barack Obama now has half a nation on his side. Where does that leave the other half? And by the way, a large majority of the 'other half' are people like myself; over 50, Christian Conservative, working class people. And now the young liberals seem to think it is open season on the people who didn't vote the way they did.
I am sure I speak for many others besides myself when I say, I feel my entire way of life is now being threatened, and my Christian beliefs are at stake. What the liberal Democrats call 'progress', I call a moral decline of this nation; plain and simple!
And before the Democrats start spewing,'in-your-face' comments, I would like to point out one simple fact of life; the higher you build yourself up on your own ego, the farther you have to fall in the end. Or in more common terms,'what goes around, comes around'.
I don't even need to read it all to know what you mean,we have been this devided at least since Bush 2 went in the first time,lets see you might even throw in Clintons' last 4 .then we passivally hated while Reagon was on 8 years,but most of us were polite about it.We hated Bush 2 so much we let ourself get hatefull like you guys have always been,no one is ever going to get 100 percent of the vote,never, therefore no one will ever have a mandate,what the hateful Gop has dished out to us so called liberals has finnally caught up with them,you are right,what went around goes around
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#18 Nov 10, 2012
I find it ironic that this nation has survived the way it has because of how it's run. The right wing want to pick and choose their specific beliefs, approve taxpayer funding of that, yet renig when it funds opposition. Yet opposition also funds them. That's how it works in our nation and always has. I do believe our system has worked like this for many decades, but now that Obama is President, all of a sudden, everything is wrong and everything needs to change. I bet if Romney had been elected and the right wing was still funding the left against their specific and personal beliefs, they'd all have ridden off on a white horse!

beg2differ, in almost every single post, is here to instill fear in our nation, pretending to be unbias, which with her open-ended questions/statements, has yet to prove itself. If you'll notice, not too many of her statements have an answer or explanation for. She leaves that open.

Since: Jul 11

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#19 Nov 10, 2012
time2getreal wrote:
<quoted text>I don't even need to read it all to know what you mean,we have been this devided at least since Bush 2 went in the first time,lets see you might even throw in Clintons' last 4 .then we passivally hated while Reagon was on 8 years,but most of us were polite about it.We hated Bush 2 so much we let ourself get hatefull like you guys have always been,no one is ever going to get 100 percent of the vote,never, therefore no one will ever have a mandate,what the hateful Gop has dished out to us so called liberals has finnally caught up with them,you are right,what went around goes around
You commented on a post without reading it completely? Isn't that like saying, your opinion is more important than mine? At least I give all posters the courtesy of fully reading their comments before I respond.

Since: Sep 10

Prevost USA

#20 Nov 10, 2012
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>
But FAR better than Bush vs Gore, unbiased one.
I will also point out that since prejudism lerks so heavily in the southern states the other poster mentioned, it isn't surprising at all. Factually, totally expected. I found it more amazing that Obama took Romney's home state. He took Ryan's home state. He took the State Romney was ONE TERM Governor in....swing state after swing state called for Obama. I forewarned you Ohio would come through for Obama and...it did. I forewarned you Wisconsin would go to Obama and...he did. I forewarned you Obama would take 277+ in Electoral and...he did. And here I was trying to give you more benefit of the doubt. Romney bowed out gracefully ...around 1am. But I'll give Romney one thing. He's a businessman and....he knows when he's beat.
oBAMA only won and by less votes then the first time by running a dirty and slanderis campaign,What was oBAMA'S goal from the get go?Thats right to "Kill Romney".
oBAMA said this himself.

'If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things."

“You Will Reap What U Sow”

Since: Sep 08

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#21 Nov 10, 2012
beg2differ wrote:
<quoted text>
You commented on a post without reading it completely? Isn't that like saying, your opinion is more important than mine? At least I give all posters the courtesy of fully reading their comments before I respond.
i went back and read it all.My answer still stands.but in fairness to myself,i have read all you put out before the election,so i pretty much knew what you'd be bitching over.As speakup said,if romney had won by just 5 votes ,you wouldn't be saying this,you'd be happy the other side was hurting.

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