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Tithing is Unscriptural Under the New Testament

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o yeah

Manchester, KY

#1 May 6, 2011
It is a sin to enforce tithing on New Testament Christians!
Essie

Liverpool, UK

#3 May 6, 2011
Tithing Is In The New Testament!
Tithing began before the law was introduced. The Law simply regulated the tithe. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek, 400 years before the time of Moses and the Law, and according to Romans 4:12 we are to walk in the footsteps of the faith of Abraham. If tithing was good for him, it should be good for us, too.

We give tithes like Abraham gave them—not by the Law but by faith. And beside that, if the people of God paid ten percent before the Law, and ten percent under the Law, shouldn't we, who live by grace, be doing any less when we have a better covenant (Heb 7:22).

There is a passage in Hebrews, which deals with this issue directly. It is Hebrews 7:8:

In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.

Melchizedek received Abraham’s tithe. The Hebrew writer shows that Melchizedek is a prefigure of Christ. We can conclude that just as Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizedek we give a tithe to Christ who is declared to be living.

Some people think this is a new issue. It is as old as the second century when more and more Gentiles were being converted. The early Jewish believers had no problem with tithing since they had done it under the Law and gave it to the priests. They simply gave their tithe to the elders of the church and did by love. However, as the church became less Jewish this issue came up to the church fathers. They answered the question of tithing with Matthew 23:23:

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Notice Jesus said, "You should have practiced the latter (justice, mercy and faithfulness), without neglecting the former (tithing)." The fathers argued, and rightful so, that Jesus word ends the discussion. Since Jesus said not to neglect the former—being tithing—then no believer should neglect tithing. I wholeheartedly agree!
uh huh

Chicago, IL

#4 May 6, 2011
people makes up stuff like all the time. saying things are unscriptural without bible research. the scripture itself teaches to give give give.

its better to give than receive.
Read

London, KY

#5 May 6, 2011
o yeah wrote:
It is a sin to enforce tithing on New Testament Christians!
So if you are implying that one should only live by the standards in the new testament, then wouldn't you be throwing out the Heavens and the Earth. Malachi 3:6 begins with God making tithes an ordinance. You realize that the government doesn't trust anyone so they take their portion of your money before you get to even see your money. In the days of scripture, Caesar was the government. So the question is, would you give the government more then you would give God? Read below.

6For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

7Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Read

London, KY

#6 May 6, 2011
o yeah wrote:
It is a sin to enforce tithing on New Testament Christians!
No one is forced to give to the church. No one is forced to give to God. But the previous post had some good guidance on this subject. But since your question seems to be of one uncertain, read in Acts the story of Ananias and Sapphira. They could have kept what they wanted and told the truth and they would not have been struck down dead by the Holy Spirit. Their deception lead to destruction, as it always will.

Acts 5 (New Living Translation)

Ananias and Sapphira
1 But there was a certain man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. 2 He brought part of the money to the apostles, claiming it was the full amount. With his wife’s consent, he kept the rest.

3 Then Peter said,“Ananias, why have you let Satan fill your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. 4 The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was also yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God!”

5 As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. 6 Then some young men got up, wrapped him in a sheet, and took him out and buried him.

7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her,“Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?”

“Yes,” she replied,“that was the price.”

9 And Peter said,“How could the two of you even think of conspiring to test the Spirit of the Lord like this? The young men who buried your husband are just outside the door, and they will carry you out, too.”

10 Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 Great fear gripped the entire church and everyone else who heard what had happened.

Their sin was not keeping a portion for themselves. It was theirs to do with it as they wanted. Their sin was not keeping part of the money. Their sin was trying to deceive the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit already knew the truth. So there are scriptures based in both the new and old testament on the subject of giving to God what is Gods. God blesses those that bless others. So it would be wise for everyone to note that and practice being like Christ instead of pretending you are like Christ.(Not directed at you personally, just in general speaking on the matter.)

“Get A Life”

Since: Mar 08

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#7 May 6, 2011
Essie wrote:
Tithing Is In The New Testament!
Tithing began before the law was introduced. The Law simply regulated the tithe. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek, 400 years before the time of Moses and the Law, and according to Romans 4:12 we are to walk in the footsteps of the faith of Abraham. If tithing was good for him, it should be good for us, too.
We give tithes like Abraham gave them—not by the Law but by faith. And beside that, if the people of God paid ten percent before the Law, and ten percent under the Law, shouldn't we, who live by grace, be doing any less when we have a better covenant (Heb 7:22).
There is a passage in Hebrews, which deals with this issue directly. It is Hebrews 7:8:
In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.
Melchizedek received Abraham’s tithe. The Hebrew writer shows that Melchizedek is a prefigure of Christ. We can conclude that just as Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizedek we give a tithe to Christ who is declared to be living.
Some people think this is a new issue. It is as old as the second century when more and more Gentiles were being converted. The early Jewish believers had no problem with tithing since they had done it under the Law and gave it to the priests. They simply gave their tithe to the elders of the church and did by love. However, as the church became less Jewish this issue came up to the church fathers. They answered the question of tithing with Matthew 23:23:
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Notice Jesus said, "You should have practiced the latter (justice, mercy and faithfulness), without neglecting the former (tithing)." The fathers argued, and rightful so, that Jesus word ends the discussion. Since Jesus said not to neglect the former—being tithing—then no believer should neglect tithing. I wholeheartedly agree!
your post is copied word for word from the tim brown ministries website. just thought that was kinda strange. http://www.tbm.org/is_tithing_new_testament.h...
sickest

Science Hill, KY

#8 May 6, 2011
Even in ancient Israel if a man had but NINE cows or sheep (many poverty-stricken people around the world would have been thankful for but ONE milking cow to feed their children), God did not consider such a one prosperous enough to TITHE AT ALL!! A man with only nine cows did NOT tithe his cattle to God. God IS merciful.

There is no such thing as "Christian Tithing." Where? Quote the verse? Show me the Scripture. Tithing was a LAW OF MOSES, giving from the heart is A LAW OF THE SPIRIT, and does not set a taxable (such as 10%) on one's cheerful giving.

Jesus didn't take or teach His followers to tithe to Him; the apostles didn't take or teach their followers to tithe to them; and Paul didn't take or teach his followers to tithe to him. This is a simple and factual truth of both history and the Scriptures, and anyone to tries to imply otherwise will be severely judged by The Righteous Judge in that day!

I believing in "giving." Paul tells us that "God LOVES a cheerful giver," but tithing was on farm products in the Old Testament for Israel only, when they had a tabernacle or later a temple. There is no Levitical Priesthood, today, nor a temple, nor are we to continue in the Law of Moses. KEEP YOUR MONEY--us it as YOU see fit, and God will bless you!
sickest

Science Hill, KY

#9 May 6, 2011
The Church today has become a fat whore. God calls the whole system: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And in Chapter 18 of Revelation He says: "COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE."

God tells us to: "Love NOT the world neither the things that are IN the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father IS NOT IN HIM. For all that is in the world, the LUST OF THE FLESH, and the LUST OF THE EYES, and the PRIDE OF LIFE, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust thereof, but He that does the will of God abides forever." (I John 2:15-17).

“Get A Life”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#11 May 6, 2011
I care. Like you were trying to make it look like those words came from you personally. I don't have anything against Tim Brown. Never heard of him until today. If I'm wrong, I appologize. Was just stating my opinion.
u whiner

Houston, TX

#12 May 6, 2011
Heather G wrote:
I care. Like you were trying to make it look like those words came from you personally. I don't have anything against Tim Brown. Never heard of him until today. If I'm wrong, I appologize. Was just stating my opinion.
stop splitting hairs. doesn't make a bit of difference wer the truth came from. you jst wanna win. theres nothing to win. the truth is the truth.

“Get A Life”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#14 May 6, 2011
u whiner wrote:
<quoted text>stop splitting hairs. doesn't make a bit of difference wer the truth came from. you jst wanna win. theres nothing to win. the truth is the truth.
Excuse me? Win what? I wasn't trying to win anything. I, as stated previously, was saying my opinion and I can do that if, when and where I want. And who said it was true? Tim Brown? You? Got proof? Look, I'm not trying to start anything here. I was just simply stating what I noticed. And it wasn't directed toward you.
sickest

Science Hill, KY

#16 May 6, 2011
What are you talking about Essie?
You quoted- Romans 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
You quoted-Hebrews 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
You quoted-Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Why not quote this one also,its a real good one when you take it out of context.
"Will a man ROB God?" How many untold tens of thousands of men will give account one day for teaching this verse in Malachi 3:8 totally out of context for their own sordid gain.
This verse in Malachi certainly means what it says. Someone was defrauding God of tithes and offerings, but wait until you find out who it is that God blames for this act.
Let the Church trust God for a change and not the mammon extracted and extorted from the poor who can't afford it.

TRUTHS ABOUT CHRISTIAN TITHING

1. Abraham never tithed on his own personal property or livestock.
2. Jacob wouldn’t tithe until God blessed him first.
3. Only Levite priests could collect tithes, and there are no Levite priests today.
4. Only food products from the land were tithable.
5. Money was never a tithable commodity.
6. Christian converts were never asked to tithe anything to the Church.
7. Tithing in the Church first appears centuries after completion of the Bible.
Christian scholars claim that Abraham’s tithing of the spoils of war predated the Law of Moses, and therefore even if the Law of Moses is done away with, tithing is still binding on Christians because Abraham predated the Law of Moses. Is this true?
And Christendom teaches that this Scripture is the first proof from the Word of God that Christians are to tithe ten percent of their salaries to the church. But what have we really learned from these Scriptures?:
Abraham went to war on behalf of Sodom (SODOM, mind you), to rescue his nephew, Lot. He then gave 10% of these spoils of war to Melchizedek, and allowed Sodom to keep 90%, while he himself kept NOTHING!
Now then, is there a Scholar alive anywhere on earth that can explain to us how this one single unparalleled and never-again-to-be-duplicated event, is Scriptural proof that Christians should give 10% of their annual salaries (not the spoils of war, but their money, their salaries), not once, but year after year after year, not to Melchizedek, but to Clergymen who claim to be ministers of Jesus Christ? If anyone can see a similarity here, I will show him the similarity between an elephant and a fruit fly.
sickest

Science Hill, KY

#17 May 6, 2011
Essie wrote:
<quoted text>He was talking about the catholics and the roman church empire. He was not talking about the Christians. Catholics are not christians. They worship the virgin Mary. And if you are a member of their church, you sin and say so many hail marys.
O my lord.
Gary

United States

#18 May 6, 2011
Those who say they tithe as Abraham tithed are either being dishonest or just don't understand the scriptures at all.

Let’s look closely at Abram’s tithe. First, the goods that Abram gave the tenth from didn’t even belong to Abram:

Genesis 14:21 (KJV)- And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.

Notice in verse 21 the king of Sodom didn’t ask Abram if he would give back to him the people, but rather said GIVE ME the people and keep the goods for yourself. The way that is worded indicates that the king of Sodom was claiming that the people and the goods belonged to him, but he offered the goods to Abram.

It would normally have been the custom that the victor owns the spoils, but normally the spoils would have belonged to the enemy. In this case, Abram was RECOVERING goods belonging to the King of Sodom.

NOTE: The king of Sodom had an original right both to the persons and to the goods, and it would bear a debate whether Abram’s acquired right by rescue would supersede his title and extinguish it; but, to prevent all quarrels, the king of Sodom makes this fair proposal (v. 21).
--Should the Church Teach Tithing by Dr. Russell Earl Kelly, pages 24-25

Genesis 14:22-24 (KJV)
22And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
23That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
24Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

Notice in verses 23 and 24 Abram also acknowledges that the goods belonged to the king of Sodom. But the king of Sodam offered that Abram could keep the goods for himself. Abram declined the offer. He didn’t want man to take credit for his wealth. By not accepting any of the goods for himself, Abram was putting all his faith in God to provide for him rather than man.

Therefore, it is clear that both the king of Sodom and Abram acknowledged that the spoils of war did NOT belong to Abram, yet he gave a tenth of the spoils to King Melchizedek. This would seem that Abram did something wrong, if not even illegal, but Biblical historians agree that it was custom in Abram's day to give the king a tenth of the war spoils. Had Abram not given the tenth, he would have gone against custom.

Conclusion: Abram did NOT give a tenth of his income, or his wealth. Abram gave a tenth of the spoils of war that didn’t belong to him and declined to keep the goods offered to him. That is NOT an example of tithing for Christians to follow today. By declining to keep any of the goods for himself, Abram showed his faith that God would provide. That is the example of faith that Christians should be following. Furthermore, the law did NOT require a tenth of war spoils to be given, so to say that tithing was before the law and then in the law is not true. What Abram did was NOT even codified into the later law.
John Beal

Secaucus, NJ

#19 May 7, 2011
Gary

United States

#20 May 7, 2011
@John Beal,

The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to our means. For some,$1 might be a sacrifice, while for others, even giving 50% of their income might not induce a sacrifice. In the Old Testament, ONLY the farmers tithed, and it was equal percentage (a tenth). The New Testament teaches the principle of equal sacrifice instead of equal percentage. Equal sacrifice is much harder to achieve, if not impossible, than giving ten percent.

Jesus did not endorse tithing for Christians. In Matthew 23:23 Jesus was speaking to those under the Old Covenant law.

The blessings and curses mentioned in Malachi 3 have nothing to do with Christians. Jesus took the curse of the law at the cross.

NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE pays the Biblical tithe today.

Leviticus 27:30-33, Numbers 18: The First Tithe - a tenth of crops and animals and commanded to take the tithe to the Levites.

Deuteronomy 14:22-27: The Second Tithe aka The Festival Tithe - a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take for the yearly feast.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29: The Third Tithe aka The Three-Year Tithe aka The Poor Tithe - a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.

Now, tell me. Which of the above three tithes commanded by God does anyone follow today?

The ONLY people in the Old Testament that were commanded to tithe were those who INHERITED THE PROMISED LAND WITH EVERYTHING ON IT. They got the land, house, animals, crops, etc. ALL FREE AND CLEAR. No mortgage payment or rent to pay. And THEY were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who INHERITED the tithe INSTEAD OF the promised land with everything on it. No one else tithed. Wage earners did not tithe. Jesus didn’t tithe. Paul didn’t tithe. Peter didn’t tithe.

Those who try to tithe today are actually diminishing what Jesus did on the cross.
Plowboy PHD

Washington, DC

#21 May 9, 2011
Gary wrote:
@John Beal,
The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to our means. For some,$1 might be a sacrifice, while for others, even giving 50% of their income might not induce a sacrifice. In the Old Testament, ONLY the farmers tithed, and it was equal percentage (a tenth). The New Testament teaches the principle of equal sacrifice instead of equal percentage. Equal sacrifice is much harder to achieve, if not impossible, than giving ten percent.
Jesus did not endorse tithing for Christians. In Matthew 23:23 Jesus was speaking to those under the Old Covenant law.
The blessings and curses mentioned in Malachi 3 have nothing to do with Christians. Jesus took the curse of the law at the cross.
NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE pays the Biblical tithe today.
Leviticus 27:30-33, Numbers 18: The First Tithe - a tenth of crops and animals and commanded to take the tithe to the Levites.
Deuteronomy 14:22-27: The Second Tithe aka The Festival Tithe - a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take for the yearly feast.
Deuteronomy 14:28-29: The Third Tithe aka The Three-Year Tithe aka The Poor Tithe - a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.
Now, tell me. Which of the above three tithes commanded by God does anyone follow today?
The ONLY people in the Old Testament that were commanded to tithe were those who INHERITED THE PROMISED LAND WITH EVERYTHING ON IT. They got the land, house, animals, crops, etc. ALL FREE AND CLEAR. No mortgage payment or rent to pay. And THEY were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who INHERITED the tithe INSTEAD OF the promised land with everything on it. No one else tithed. Wage earners did not tithe. Jesus didn’t tithe. Paul didn’t tithe. Peter didn’t tithe.
Those who try to tithe today are actually diminishing what Jesus did on the cross.
Very well stated !!!
Under the Dispensation of Grace our giving is guided by First Corinthians Chapter 16 Verse 1-2, Mark Chapter 12 Verse 41 - 44 , Second corinthians Chapter 9 Verse 5 - 15. Remember to always give in Love, not out of necessity, we cannot buy Gods favor !!!
Knowledge

Brookville, PA

#22 May 9, 2011
Heather G wrote:
<quoted text>your post is copied word for word from the tim brown ministries website. just thought that was kinda strange. http://www.tbm.org/is_tithing_new_testament.h...
It isn't strange it's called Plagiarism. ;)
you LIE

Chicago, IL

#23 May 9, 2011
Knowledge wrote:
<quoted text>
It isn't strange it's called Plagiarism. ;)
ITS NOT PLAGURISM BECAUSE NOBODY SIGNED THEIR NAME OR CLAIMED IT AS THEIR OWN. IF A WEB SITE HAS A COPYRIGHT PROTECTION, THE COPY FEATURE IS FIXED SO YOU CANNOT COPY AND PASTE. IF NO COPYRIGHT PROTECTION EXISTS, THERE IS NO PLAGURISM.
YOU PEOPLE SURE ARE TRYING TO TAKE ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT.
IT IS OKAY TO PAY TITHES FOR THE UPKEEP OF THE CHURCH.
TITHES MEANS TENTH OF YOUR PAYCHECK, WHICH ASSURES EVERYBODY PAYS THEIR SHARE.
THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH PAYING TITHES.
PAYING TITHES WILL NOT SEND YOU TO HELL.
JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN. REFUSING HIM WILL GET YOU LANDED IN HELL.
Plowboy PHD

Washington, DC

#24 May 9, 2011
you LIE wrote:
<quoted text>ITS NOT PLAGURISM BECAUSE NOBODY SIGNED THEIR NAME OR CLAIMED IT AS THEIR OWN. IF A WEB SITE HAS A COPYRIGHT PROTECTION, THE COPY FEATURE IS FIXED SO YOU CANNOT COPY AND PASTE. IF NO COPYRIGHT PROTECTION EXISTS, THERE IS NO PLAGURISM.
YOU PEOPLE SURE ARE TRYING TO TAKE ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT.
IT IS OKAY TO PAY TITHES FOR THE UPKEEP OF THE CHURCH.
TITHES MEANS TENTH OF YOUR PAYCHECK, WHICH ASSURES EVERYBODY PAYS THEIR SHARE.
THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH PAYING TITHES.
PAYING TITHES WILL NOT SEND YOU TO HELL.
JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN. REFUSING HIM WILL GET YOU LANDED IN HELL.
You are correct, giving 10 % of ones gross income is certainly not a sinful act, giving 20,30 or even 40% to Gods work is not a sin. The more we are freely able to give to Gods work, the more we will be abundantly blessed, if we give with a willing heart. I do not believe in the old jewish Law of the Tithe, yet I have personally given as much as 40% of my gross income during one year of my Christian walk which has now been approximately 50 years. We are not to pay money to Gods work, but are to give to His Holy work. This is where many don,t understand Gods nature, Many who are currently giving 10%, should in all honesty be possibly giving more finances into the work of the Kingdom. There are some Churchs who do not believe in paying a Preacher a modest income, and some of those folks say things like it is a sin to tithe. when they should say, we don,t believe in paying a Preacher. things get turned around so easily and miss stated. We are free to give what ever amount God directs us to give, yet at the same time we are not bound by the Law of the Tithe.
Blessings
The Plowboy PHD

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