Pot belly

Middlesboro, KY

#1 Jan 13, 2013
Did you know Goldman Sachs is considered "small business". That's prtetty good foe a company that showed profits of billions. They also managed to give their execs 65 million.( and that was early so they could avoid taxes). Compare tat to our local small businesses.
SpeakUp

Harwood Heights, IL

#2 Jan 15, 2013
Pot belly wrote:
Did you know Goldman Sachs is considered "small business". That's prtetty good foe a company that showed profits of billions. They also managed to give their execs 65 million.( and that was early so they could avoid taxes). Compare tat to our local small businesses.
That's what the Republicans call "small business". It's certainly not what I'd refer to as small business, would you?

These executive payouts has been one of my big issues all along. I recognize that these big companies sign contractural agreements when signing these overpaid individuals and those contracts can't be broken without a court battle one is likely to lose. But if anyone tried to pass a law stifling their gold, then we'd be accused of being opposed to capitalism. Not only do they get huge compensations regardless of whether or not they break a company, the other thing that should not be legal is for them to take stock options as part of their compensation, then be able to hide behind the capital gain rates. They enjoy taking more of their upfront, contractural compensation package in the form of incentive stock options, that when sold, gets them a tax rate lower than a Single person earning %50,000/yr. gets. But of course, the Right Wings refers to that as capitalism. I call it, a legal right to scr-w employees, because the more they get, the less employees do. You have to gag when you see a CEO earning $15M from a company that just filed Chapter 7 (or otherwise), but when an employee ask for a 50 cents raise or a health benefit, they wet their diaper. But hey, Republicans and conservatives call that capitalism. In my opinion, there's not one person on the face of God's green earth that desserves that kind of money, while they watch employees beg for an extra dime to help pay their rent.

Obama's got their number. Bank on it. That's why they hate him. But while they are hating him, he's getting something accomplished, like $53M+ from a Swiss Bank who was hiding $1.2B from 100- U.S. millionaire's taxes. Sweet revenge. This President would like to see some equality in this country...a dying art.
weezy

Manchester, KY

#3 Jan 15, 2013
Hi Speakup. I have to agree with you on post #2.
The republicans would rather pay working Americans minimum wage so those CEOs can take home millions and they act like they are fully justified in doing so. They act like you have insulted them when someone brings up the subject of equal pay.
Those greedy bastards were elected to serve the people not themselves and certainly not the super rich that contribute so heavily to the bank accounts of those senators and congressmen.
The rich can better afford to pay more taxes than any working man or woman making less than 100,000 a year. So whats the problem? Maybe they should suck it up as joe biden put it and eat more potatoes and less steak but they should have to pay those taxes at a higher rate than the rest of Americans. They had the privilege of becoming rich or having it handed to them. They should give some back accordingly
Obama has done lots of things I really do admire and hes still doing them just like you mentioned up there. Those bankers hiding Americans taxable assets should be heavily penalized and those Americans caught hiding taxable monies should be heavily penalized right along with those bankers.
Obama is overboard on gun control but those weapons of war have no real use in society. They were made to kill people. They wouldnt allow somebody to drive around in a fully armed tank nor would they allow them to fly around in a fully armed fighter jet. Its about the same thing as carrying those rifles that have no practical use other than being used to kill people. They are really well suited for that purpose tho as has been proven many times over.
Equality in America would be equivalent to pouring water on a simmering fire thats been burning for 150 plus years. I would love to see it happen but I doubt we ever will. I do agree that Obama is working on it. Its about time one of our presidents did. No, its way past time for honesty and a burning desire to do whats right for working men and women of America to be the driving force at work here. I believe Obama has both those qualities.
SpeakUp

Harwood Heights, IL

#4 Jan 15, 2013
weezy, good post. So logical. The Right has always tried to degrade the fact that our President did community organizing, but that's a good thing and every community needs leadership...the right kind. His path has been to be sure that "we the people" know we have a voice. He's continuing that in the White House. The fact that the top is trying to downplay or deny that, is really sad to say the least. The little ones following the big ones are really the more pitiful. And the sadder part of it, they can't even recognize it themselves.

It is statistically proven that the money of this nation has been growing at a fast pace, moving to the top. No denying that. There's something wrong with that picture. Common sense tells us that. When the gap between rich and poor progressively widens, it's an even clearer picture of that.

This has zero to do with a jealousy or opposition of capitalism. Not at all. It has all to do with power and greed. When people read quarterly reports coming out, the huge profits companies boast for the quarter impressing their big shareholders, while employees are still sweating from having to work 20 hrs./wk. overtime because they aren't paid enough to start with, just to make ends meet and been told the company simply cannot afford a 50 cents raise or pay even a portion of a health benefit, Houston, we have a problem.

Here's one thing we could do. We could stop allowing Executives salaries and foot long compensation programs & eminities to be a deduction for the corporation they work (or sit on their as- in the boardroom) for. That way, we might be able to see a real picture of that corporate balance sheet and be even more disgusted. They have too much control in more ways than one. We need to get back to logistics.
Pide Piper

United States

#5 Jan 15, 2013
Aww, don't worry. I'm sure your Obama will bring them down to your small size soon enough. Hey! Maybe he will give you all some if their money! Obama is all for that redistribution thing. In fact, I bet your check will be there on the first of Feb!!!
FWIW

Manchester, KY

#6 Jan 15, 2013
I wouldn't consider 16 trillion plus to be a small debt but Obama doesn't seem to mind. Go figure.
Pot belly

Middlesboro, KY

#7 Jan 15, 2013
In reference to the judging on the above post. This should not be made political. It is a fact CEO's that are given this amount of bonus and then to be taxed either a small amount or perhaps nothing should be everybody's concern !,! Especially the people who are struggling to earn a decent, honest living. you can yell about the president if you want to but your barking up the wrong tree. Take a look at our esteemed elected (begin local) officials: they can be of help if we require them to be. Your bitching and moaning about O,Bama is simply bitching and moaning. We need laws to be fair to the common man he is after all the reason this world turns. And by the way. If you think our national debt is bad look at other countries and start with Japan. Read and turn off Fox it could be enlighting
D
FWIW

Manchester, KY

#8 Jan 15, 2013
Pot belly wrote:
If you think our national debt is bad look at other countries and start with Japan. Read and turn off Fox it could be enlighting
D
I think looking at other countries such as Japan is the point. I suppose total economic stagnation is what you would like to see in the United States.
Pot belly

Middlesboro, KY

#9 Jan 15, 2013
FWIW wrote:
<quoted text>
I think looking at other countries such as Japan is the point. I suppose total economic stagnation is what you would like to see in the United States.
. Dumbass. Read the post that started this . Your narrow mind is showing
FWIW

Hartland, WI

#10 Jan 15, 2013
I did read it. You really didn't do your homework. You consider billions to be a big number and therefore can't be classified as a small business. I just consider trillions to be a big number but Obama doesn't.

A narrow mind shows when your only retort is name calling.
FWIW

London, KY

#11 Jan 15, 2013
Different FWIW but I agree.
SpeakUp

Harwood Heights, IL

#12 Jan 15, 2013
FWIW wrote:
I wouldn't consider 16 trillion plus to be a small debt but Obama doesn't seem to mind. Go figure.
GW didn't mind starting the perfect storm rolling, so why would Obama mind taking Republican's money to clean it up....we are on our way doing just that.
SpeakUp

Harwood Heights, IL

#13 Jan 15, 2013
Pot belly wrote:
In reference to the judging on the above post. This should not be made political. It is a fact CEO's that are given this amount of bonus and then to be taxed either a small amount or perhaps nothing should be everybody's concern !,! Especially the people who are struggling to earn a decent, honest living. you can yell about the president if you want to but your barking up the wrong tree. Take a look at our esteemed elected (begin local) officials: they can be of help if we require them to be. Your bitching and moaning about O,Bama is simply bitching and moaning. We need laws to be fair to the common man he is after all the reason this world turns. And by the way. If you think our national debt is bad look at other countries and start with Japan. Read and turn off Fox it could be enlighting
D
Finally, me sanity on this thread along with Weezy and myself. Some of these people unfortunately do not have a clue about the real world. They live in their little motor mouth, limited worlds with closed minds and a real lack of comprehension. It's actually better than reading the Peanuts section.
SpeakUp

Harwood Heights, IL

#14 Jan 15, 2013
FWIW wrote:
I did read it. You really didn't do your homework. You consider billions to be a big number and therefore can't be classified as a small business. I just consider trillions to be a big number but Obama doesn't.
A narrow mind shows when your only retort is name calling.
Billions - you consider that small business. Last I checked, this Nation isn't just a Cracker Barrel or Taco Bell.
weezy

Manchester, KY

#15 Jan 16, 2013
The national debt we are discussing is debt the repubs created. Obama is telling them to pay the bill. Not to hold the country hostage over something they created.
Whats wrong with that? I mean if that isnt the way its supposed to work give me your address so I can send my bills to some of you all
FWIW

London, KY

#16 Jan 16, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>
Billions - you consider that small business. Last I checked, this Nation isn't just a Cracker Barrel or Taco Bell.
I think the post is a total farce. The poster didn't read. Need to put your brain in gear before the keyboard goes in motion.
Orange blossom

Middlesboro, KY

#17 Jan 16, 2013
FWIW wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the post is a total farce. The poster didn't read. Need to put your brain in gear before the keyboard goes in motion.
I'm not sure what you mean is a hoax. What I am sure of is I'm afraid the intelligent people are being out numbered by the ignorant ( maybe it' just plain bullheaded ) so no matter what is put before some it is balked at and ridiculed because it was not your thinking. I'm still attempting to figure out why I think small business is not millions and why you think it's billions. Oh we'll
FWIW

London, KY

#18 Jan 16, 2013
Because nobody says Goldman Sachs is a small business. Goldman Sachs has a small business incentive to help 30,000 small businesses. Somebody just read Goldman Sachs and small business and jumped. Jeez.

Also, I never said what I consider to be a small business. I don't think there is a definite line in revenue. It's more about ownership. I just said that trillions seems big to me but does not bother Obama. It's all relative.

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