Sunday's Letters to the Editor

Sunday's Letters to the Editor

There are 43 comments on the Daily Breeze story from Oct 25, 2008, titled Sunday's Letters to the Editor. In it, Daily Breeze reports that:

Sometimes I am amazed how our judicial system works. Judges interpret laws according to their personal beliefs, without regard to the will of the people or the long-term consequences.

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Plato Spaghetti

San Jose, CA

#1 Oct 25, 2008
Mike Mullin - California schools are not required to teach children anything about marriage - gay or otherwise. That is a lie from the Yes on 8 campaign.

Churches are not required to marry anyone - gay or straight - if they do not wish to. Again, you are believig lies by the Yes on 8 campaign.

You have the right to freedom of speech guaranteed by the U.S. Constitutuion. You are free to believe anything you want about gay marriage. What you cannot do, is discriminate against anyone due to their sexual orientation.

Mr. Mullin - if you are so worried about children being adopted into gay marriage - don't you think it would be better for the children to be adopted into a marriage - rather than just adopted willy-nilly by unmarried gay people as they are now? Isn't a family the best place for children to be living?

I think you have been listening to too many lies and too much propaganda from the Yes on 8 campaign. You need to do a bit of research on your own before you swallow those shameful lies hook line and sinker.

NO on 8!

“cracker-barrel philosopher”

Since: Jan 08

Wilmington/Carson/San Pedro

#2 Oct 26, 2008
Shirley Dunham wrote a good letter. It looks pretty bad to someone who wonders if the city is straight on its priorities. Although I can see logical budgeting reasons in the comparison, it would still behoove the city, maybe in the voice of Laura Chick, to explain how and why there are these kinds of apparent distortions.
Pete

Newbury Park, CA

#3 Oct 26, 2008
Dennis McLean is another pro-development city official using fear mongering rather than evidence. First DD does not impact development that conforms to existing zoning. DD only takes affect when there is a major zoning change for higher density or traffic. Second, over 30 cities in California have implemented resident voting on land use changes. None have voted it out. None have gone broke. Newport Beach has seen city revenues grow every year for eight years straight since thier resident initiative passed. According to the OC Register, Newport Beach ranks third in Orange Councy for attracting investment. Recent city polls have shown Redondo residents want to vote on upzoning. Our City development advocates have teamed with a statewide realty political action committee to spend over $100,000 to fight Measure DD, the resident's ballot measure. Who should people trust - fellow residents that prevented zoning for over 3400 additional condos. Or those that tried to approve it?
Teachers Unions

West Hollywood, CA

#4 Oct 26, 2008
Many are supporting Prop 8 vote No..LAUSD one million bucks to say NO..
What a joke
What about TUSD teachers. Most do not live here but they want us to vote Yes on Y and Z school bonds.
I say No on Y and Z NO MORE TAXES NO MORE BONDS
And Yes on 8
Paul N
rgb

Anaheim, CA

#5 Oct 26, 2008
Palin is cute, but not Presidential. Obama is exciting, but dangerous as President. Vote for Ralph Nader! SJ

“Trolls, the canker sores of”

Since: Jul 07

the internet.

#6 Oct 26, 2008
Its sad to see that Mr Mullen believes the lies of the religious right. All they are doing is trying to cause enough fear to get folks to vote their way.

How sad for our country if we allow fear to once again control our government.
L Millard

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Oct 26, 2008
Well said, Mike Mullin. All children deserve to be raised in a family with a mother and a father. This plan has worked well for centuries. Children also deserve to not be persuaded into the gay lifestyle by school teachers under the pretense of education. Proposition 8 is all about providing a healthy environment for raising CHILDREN.

A no vote will permanently put the abnormal desires of narcissistic adults above the best interests of innocent children who have no voice. Don't fall for the no-vote's "we only want to love each other" manipulation. If you care at all about children, please vote YES on Proposition 8.
L Millard

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Oct 26, 2008
Very well stated, Mike Mullin. Propositon 8 is all about protecting innocent children's right to both a mother and a father and protecting children from being persuaded into the gay lifestyle by teachers claiming it is educational. Don't fall for the gay's manipulating statements about tolerance and love. They are promoting the narcissistic desires of a small minority while eliminating the rights of children. If you care at all about children, please VOTE YES on Propositon 8.
L Millard

Los Angeles, CA

#9 Oct 26, 2008
Very well stated, Mike Mullin. Propositon 8 is all about protecting innocent children's right to both a mother and a father and protecting children from being persuaded into the gay lifestyle by teachers claiming it is educational. Don't fall for the gay's manipulating statements about tolerance and love. They are promoting the narcissistic desires of a small minority while eliminating the rights of children. If you care at all about children, please VOTE YES on Propositon 8.
Truthhound

San Pedro, CA

#10 Oct 26, 2008
...[Tolerance is] not enough for homosexual activists. What they want is government endorsement for their relationships. They know that such endorsement will make homosexuality and their behavior appear just as normal as heterosexuality. That’s why the same-sex marriage movement has more to do with respect than rights.

Greg Koukl puts this very well:“Same-sex marriage is not about civil rights. It is about validation and social respect. It is a radical attempt at civil engineering using government muscle to strong-arm the people into accommodating a lifestyle many find deeply offensive, contrary to nature, socially destructive, and morally repugnant.” Same-sex marriage advocate Andrew Sullivan understands this. He writes,“Including homosexuals within marriage would be a means of conferring the highest form of social approval imaginable.”

This is the real reason homosexual activists are relentlessly pushing to get the government to endorse same-sex marriage. Most don’t want to get “married,” but they do want the social approval that same-sex marriage will win them.

Once they get that legal and social approval, no one disagreeing with them will be safe. Schools, businesses, churches, and charities will be bludgeoned with threats and lawsuits until they abandon their convictions and agree to promote what is pleasantly called “diversity.” Ironically, the only view allowed by the coming diversity police is the narrow view that you must celebrate homosexuality. No other view will be tolerated....

http://tinyurl.com/63mrul

So this brings us to the bottom line. A vast majority of people on the planet find the gay "orientation" and its behavior repulsive because it goes against NATURE. It's no accident that nature instilled that instinct in us. We should no more be ashamed of this specious programming than the fact that we have eyes, ears or a belly button.

But since this hard-wired directive of human interaction inherently ostricizes homosexuality, that faction of our community has no other recourse than to manipulate our thoughts through the court system and social guilt trips. If we bow to the instructions Mother Nature gave us, we're labeled as "haters" and "bigots" and now--thanks to four judges--will inevitably face criminal charges for attempting to uphold our values.

If we travel further down this road, the next generation WILL be punished for any failure to teach their children that the gender of their chosen mate must be of no consideration or consequence...not just in school (where they're already doing this with impunity), but at home as well.

It's the iron fist of acceptance and legitimization of that which our very natures reject. That's where we're headed if Proposition 8 fails. Are you ready for it?

YES on 8!
JIM DAVIS

AOL

#11 Oct 26, 2008
Then what? After reading all the letters to the editor, for ever it seems, as well as every commentator there is and gauging the chasm that divides us I really don't think that there is much room for hope.
The cuts are to deep, after this election I believe we are going to be a divided country...for good.
I'm not sure what will happen but it ain't going to be good, for anyone. To much hate, I Me Mine is the point of view of many. I got mine jack so screw you. Have a nice day.
MikeandL Aresowrong

Rowland Heights, CA

#12 Oct 26, 2008
Mike, judges rule on ballot measures passed by voters when those measures violate the Constitution.

Mike's hypocracy is very well illustrated by him when he states both, "My wife and I have no quarrel with same-gender relationships." Then he writes, "We are truly concerned about the infants and younger children whou are adopted into gay marriages."

Mike also demonstrates his hypocracy when he claims "Millions of dollars from outside of California and frm Hollywood have poured in to support a "No" vote." What Mike didn't right is that Millions of dollars are coming into the State from outside California, including money supported by an entire religion.

Both Mike and "L" commented about education. I guess neither of them read enough or are willing to believe the State Superintendent of Public Instruction who correctly stated that marriage is not taught in California Public Schools.

Both Mike and "L" continue the conservative notion that if you create fear in enough peoples' minds then you can do with them as you wish.

We have had almost eight years of non-correct-wingers attempting to force their will on the entire population.

Let's try something different for a change...bravery.

It is time to stop being afraid of what will happen, realize that dealing with the truth is easier than hiding behind out-of-science thinking and allowing our civilization to go forward mindfully, responsibly, and without taking freedoms away from individuals purely for religious reasons.

"WWJD"? According to the New Testament, you should know the answer if you claim to be a Christian.
(There is NOTHING in the New Testament to suggest what was said or done in this realm.)

Remember folks, when you deny civil rights to a certain group of citizens, you erode your own civil rights. I am not willing to give up any one's civil right and using the State Constitution to restrict rights of individuals will ultimately be found to be unconstitutional.

So for all of you spending your hard-earned money to get a "No" on Prop. 8, you are enriching individuals at your own expense and your funds will ultimately be found to have been wasted.

Hypocrits also need to consider that marriage certificates applied for and granted in the State of California are CIVIL documnets and NOT religious documents.

Keep your hypocracy in your religion where it flourishes naturally and keep it away from civil matters where it doesn't belong.

Yes, religious institutions have all the rights in the world to state who can and cannot marry within the bounds of any religion.

But the State must not take away civil rights just because any religion, religious thinking, or persons using religion as a reason, want rights to be denied.

Of course I will be voting "NO" on prop 8.

Is is not right for the right(wrong) to want their rights and deny rights to those who do not think the same way as they do.
NO on EE

United States

#13 Oct 26, 2008
EE is a scheme by the City Council to use OUR tax money to defeat OUR prop DD and let the Council continue to sneak through projects like Heartburn of the City with 5000 units, no schools and no road improvements. PCH is a CLASS F ROAD.

We don't need more unit. No 2 on 1s. No 5 on 2s. And no condo buildings.

Stop EE. Vote DD.
DD Yes

United States

#14 Oct 26, 2008
We can't trust the city council. Vote yes on DD for RESIDENT CONTROL. Everyone against DD is either 1) a developer, 2) a realtor, or 3) part of the city power elite/city council.

They're fighing it SO HARD, it's obvious it's the right thing to do.
THEMOMMA

San Pedro, CA

#15 Oct 26, 2008
SHIRLEY DUNHAM .......... ABSOLUTELY !!!!!!!! WHAT LAPD HAS DONE TO THOSE RAPE VICTIMS IS CRIMINAL .... NOTHING LESS
DWP Solar Plan Flawed

United States

#16 Oct 26, 2008
First off, the Daily Breeze has no need to do an Editorial about the City of LA. Who cares?

Secondly, the DWP plan is junk. It's a scam by a couple solar developers that are paying off the Mayor's office to stop competition and instead for a program where they can get sweetheart deals.

The people in LA need to care and stop this.

If the DWP could do solar for the same cost the SCE is proposing for under $4000/kW, with a guarantee, then they should do it. Otherwise, it's a boondoggle.
Engaged voter

Desert Hot Springs, CA

#17 Oct 26, 2008
Can someone explain how/when did marriage become a "right" in this country? Exactly what "civil rights" are being denied should Prop 8 pass? Because if there are, then there's a girlfriend of mine from about 18 years ago who really wanted to get married and I didn't - I guess I may have violated her rights - sorry! I'm engaged now, am I forgiven?
Last I checked, you have a right to vote but not to get married. Marriage is a benefit, not unlike driving a car. You have to meet certain criteria and apply for that benefit. If driving was a right, then licenses would be passed out 16th birthdays. What age should we use for marriage?
Truthhound

San Pedro, CA

#18 Oct 26, 2008
Rick Warren on Proposition 8:

http://saddlebackfamily.com/blogs/newsandview...
Resist Ignorance

Huntsville, AL

#19 Oct 26, 2008
Mike Mullin wrote : "My wife and I have no quarrel with same-gender relationships. The laws should protect the rights of those who enter into those relationships."

The law as it stands does protect the rights of married gay couples. However, passage of prop 8 will remove those rights. And it would remove them not only from the couples themselves but also from their children!

Please do not vote discrimination and bigotry into your Constitution. Please vote NO on prop 8.
Resist Ignorance

Huntsville, AL

#20 Oct 26, 2008
L Millard wrote:
Well said, Mike Mullin. All children deserve to be raised in a family with a mother and a father. This plan has worked well for centuries. Children also deserve to not be persuaded into the gay lifestyle by school teachers under the pretense of education. Proposition 8 is all about providing a healthy environment for raising CHILDREN.
A no vote will permanently put the abnormal desires of narcissistic adults above the best interests of innocent children who have no voice. Don't fall for the no-vote's "we only want to love each other" manipulation. If you care at all about children, please vote YES on Proposition 8.
Your ignorance astounds me! Do you actually believe that someone can be persuaded into the gay lifestyle? First of all it is not a lifestyle it's a LIFE. Secondly, it's not a choice. People don't choose to be straight or gay, they just are! Thirdly, banning same-sex marriage will not make gays and lesbian couples disappear, it will simply strip them of their rights and benefits.

You say think of the children. Well, what about the children of gay and lesbian couples? You will be striping them of their rights too!

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