Why are Jehovah's Witnesses afraid of...

Why are Jehovah's Witnesses afraid of intelligent people?

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Starfield

United States

#1 May 31, 2010
Share some of your thoughts on this. I personally believe because they are afraid of what they might tell them about his or her religion. Also how flawed their bible is and can see that they are under mind control and not under YHWH (Gods true name). The term Jehovah did not come into existence until the 12th century. The JWs prey upon the weak minded and vulnerable and read obituaries so they can have a (bible study) with that person's family. Do not let your children around them because they shelter pedophiles. Silentlambs.org
oh2oh

Logan, WV

#2 May 31, 2010
I know they're not intelligent at all. My step-grandfather was a Jehova's Witness. On his tombstone he has engraved, At Rest In Bible's Hell. Making fun, of course. How intelligent is that?
whitman girl

Charleston, WV

#3 May 31, 2010
Starfield wrote:
Share some of your thoughts on this. I personally believe because they are afraid of what they might tell them about his or her religion. Also how flawed their bible is and can see that they are under mind control and not under YHWH (Gods true name). The term Jehovah did not come into existence until the 12th century. The JWs prey upon the weak minded and vulnerable and read obituaries so they can have a (bible study) with that person's family. Do not let your children around them because they shelter pedophiles. Silentlambs.org
Don't let your children around Catholic Priest for they protect pedophiles.Their Bible is also the King james version<go figure.
Tommy Jenkins

Alexandria, VA

#4 May 31, 2010
Starfield wrote:
Share some of your thoughts on this. I personally believe because they are afraid of what they might tell them about his or her religion. Also how flawed their bible is and can see that they are under mind control and not under YHWH (Gods true name). The term Jehovah did not come into existence until the 12th century. The JWs prey upon the weak minded and vulnerable and read obituaries so they can have a (bible study) with that person's family. Do not let your children around them because they shelter pedophiles. Silentlambs.org
So...what have you got against the JW's? Where do you get the idea that the name Jehovah didn't materialize until the 12th century? Isn't it the name in the KJV of the bible (Hebrew and Greek Septuagint)? I posit you prey upon the weak minded and vulverable. I see no definative proof that your position is correct. Cough up the proof brother!
sweet dreamer

Elkview, WV

#5 May 31, 2010
Tommy Jenkins wrote:
<quoted text>
So...what have you got against the JW's? Where do you get the idea that the name Jehovah didn't materialize until the 12th century? Isn't it the name in the KJV of the bible (Hebrew and Greek Septuagint)? I posit you prey upon the weak minded and vulverable. I see no definative proof that your position is correct. Cough up the proof brother!
In 1278 a spanish monk, Raymundo Martini, wrote the latin work PUGIO FIDEI (Dagger of faith). In it he used the name of God, spelling it Yohoua. Later printings of this work, dated some centuries later, used the spelling JEHOVA.

Soon after, in 1303, Porchetus de Salvaticis completed a work entitled VICTORIA PORCHETI AVERSUS IMPIOS HEBRAEOS (Porchetus' Victory Against the Ungodly Hebrews). He spells God's name IOHOUAH, IOHOUA and IHOUAH.

Then, in 1518, Petrus Galatinus, a Catholic priest born in the late 1400's, published a work entitled DE ARCANIS CATHOLICAE VERITATIS (Concerning Secrets of the Universal Truth) in which he spelled God's name IEHOUA.

Now, the direct answer to your question: the name "Jehovah" first appeared in an English BIBLE in 1530, when William Tyndale published a translation of the Chumash (the first five books of the Bible). In this, he included the name of God, usually spelled IEHOUAH, in several verses (Genesis 15:2; Exodus 6:3; 15:3; 17:6; 23:17; 33:19; 34:23; Deuteronomy 3:24. Tyndale also included God's name in Ezekiel 18:23 and 36:23 in his translations that were added at the end of THE NEW TESTAMENT, Antwerp, 1534), and in a note in this editon he wrote: "Iehovah is God's name... moreover as oft as thou seist LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing) is is in Hebrew Iehovah." (Please note as I told you previously, there was no "J" in English at this time; the J is a product of a stylized I; thus giving us the current Jehovah rather than the Old English Iehovah. The "u" used in the above names is also a reminder that there was no "v" in Old English, as you can read David in the original King James version was written "Dauid".)

In 1534 Martin Luther published his complete translation of the Bible in German, based on the original languages. While he used the German "Herr" (Lord or Sir) for the Tetragrammaton, in a sermon which he delivered in 1526 on Jeremiah 23:1-8, he said, "The name Jehovah, Lord, belongs exclusively to the true God."

Subsequently, Jehovah was used not only in the "Authorized" King James version of 1611, but the Spanish VALERA version of 1602, the Portugese ALMEIDA version of 1681, the German ELBERFELDER version of 1871, and the American Standard Version of 1901. It appears that the Jerusalem Bible was the first one to used Yahweh instead of Lord and Jehovah.
Starfield

United States

#6 May 31, 2010
Tommy Jenkins wrote:
<quoted text>
So...what have you got against the JW's? Where do you get the idea that the name Jehovah didn't materialize until the 12th century? Isn't it the name in the KJV of the bible (Hebrew and Greek Septuagint)? I posit you prey upon the weak minded and vulverable. I see no definative proof that your position is correct. Cough up the proof brother!
ok Brother! here you go if your cult leaders will allow you to look at this information. HERE the tetragrammton is explained.http://www.youtube.c om/barbsinclair#p/f/48/JIRIoHC nfS0

Here is some more info:

Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary.“Jehovah is a false reading of the Hebrew YAHWEH.”
New Catholic Encyclopedia.“Jehovah is a false form of the divine name YAHWEH.”
Webster’s Third New International Dictionary.“‘Jehovah.’ Intended as a transliteration of Hebrew YAHWEH, the vowel points of Hebrew ADHONAY (my Lord) being erroneously substituted for those of YAHWEH; from the fact that in some Hebrew manuscripts the vowel points of ADHONAY (used as a euphemism [less direct style of writing] for YAHWEH) were written under the consonants YHWH or YAHWEH to indicate that ADHONAY was to be substituted in oral reading for YAHWEH. Jehovah is a Christian transliteration of the Tetragrammaton long assumed by many Christians to be the authentic reproduction of the Hebrew sacred name for God but now recognized to be a late hybrid form never used by the Jews.”
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia.“Jehovah is an erroneous pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, or four-lettered name of God made up of the Hebrew letters YHWH. The word ‘Jehovah’ therefore is a misreading for which there is no warrant and which makes no sense in Hebrew.”

In the 1984 Watchtower brochure The DIVINE NAME That Will Endure Forever, on page 17, it states that the word “Jehovah” first appeared in A.D. 1278 and was put forth by Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk.
Starfield

United States

#7 May 31, 2010
sweet dreamer wrote:
<quoted text>
In 1278 a spanish monk, Raymundo Martini, wrote the latin work PUGIO FIDEI (Dagger of faith). In it he used the name of God, spelling it Yohoua. Later printings of this work, dated some centuries later, used the spelling JEHOVA.
Soon after, in 1303, Porchetus de Salvaticis completed a work entitled VICTORIA PORCHETI AVERSUS IMPIOS HEBRAEOS (Porchetus' Victory Against the Ungodly Hebrews). He spells God's name IOHOUAH, IOHOUA and IHOUAH.
Then, in 1518, Petrus Galatinus, a Catholic priest born in the late 1400's, published a work entitled DE ARCANIS CATHOLICAE VERITATIS (Concerning Secrets of the Universal Truth) in which he spelled God's name IEHOUA.
Now, the direct answer to your question: the name "Jehovah" first appeared in an English BIBLE in 1530, when William Tyndale published a translation of the Chumash (the first five books of the Bible). In this, he included the name of God, usually spelled IEHOUAH, in several verses (Genesis 15:2; Exodus 6:3; 15:3; 17:6; 23:17; 33:19; 34:23; Deuteronomy 3:24. Tyndale also included God's name in Ezekiel 18:23 and 36:23 in his translations that were added at the end of THE NEW TESTAMENT, Antwerp, 1534), and in a note in this editon he wrote: "Iehovah is God's name... moreover as oft as thou seist LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing) is is in Hebrew Iehovah." (Please note as I told you previously, there was no "J" in English at this time; the J is a product of a stylized I; thus giving us the current Jehovah rather than the Old English Iehovah. The "u" used in the above names is also a reminder that there was no "v" in Old English, as you can read David in the original King James version was written "Dauid".)
In 1534 Martin Luther published his complete translation of the Bible in German, based on the original languages. While he used the German "Herr" (Lord or Sir) for the Tetragrammaton, in a sermon which he delivered in 1526 on Jeremiah 23:1-8, he said, "The name Jehovah, Lord, belongs exclusively to the true God."
Subsequently, Jehovah was used not only in the "Authorized" King James version of 1611, but the Spanish VALERA version of 1602, the Portugese ALMEIDA version of 1681, the German ELBERFELDER version of 1871, and the American Standard Version of 1901. It appears that the Jerusalem Bible was the first one to used Yahweh instead of Lord and Jehovah.
thank you for your input.:)
Tommy Jenkins

Alexandria, VA

#8 May 31, 2010
sweet dreamer wrote:
<quoted text>
In 1278 a spanish monk, Raymundo Martini, wrote the latin work PUGIO FIDEI (Dagger of faith). In it he used the name of God, spelling it Yohoua. Later printings of this work, dated some centuries later, used the spelling JEHOVA.
Soon after, in 1303, Porchetus de Salvaticis completed a work entitled VICTORIA PORCHETI AVERSUS IMPIOS HEBRAEOS (Porchetus' Victory Against the Ungodly Hebrews). He spells God's name IOHOUAH, IOHOUA and IHOUAH.
Then, in 1518, Petrus Galatinus, a Catholic priest born in the late 1400's, published a work entitled DE ARCANIS CATHOLICAE VERITATIS (Concerning Secrets of the Universal Truth) in which he spelled God's name IEHOUA.
Now, the direct answer to your question: the name "Jehovah" first appeared in an English BIBLE in 1530, when William Tyndale published a translation of the Chumash (the first five books of the Bible). In this, he included the name of God, usually spelled IEHOUAH, in several verses (Genesis 15:2; Exodus 6:3; 15:3; 17:6; 23:17; 33:19; 34:23; Deuteronomy 3:24. Tyndale also included God's name in Ezekiel 18:23 and 36:23 in his translations that were added at the end of THE NEW TESTAMENT, Antwerp, 1534), and in a note in this editon he wrote: "Iehovah is God's name... moreover as oft as thou seist LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing) is is in Hebrew Iehovah." (Please note as I told you previously, there was no "J" in English at this time; the J is a product of a stylized I; thus giving us the current Jehovah rather than the Old English Iehovah. The "u" used in the above names is also a reminder that there was no "v" in Old English, as you can read David in the original King James version was written "Dauid".)
In 1534 Martin Luther published his complete translation of the Bible in German, based on the original languages. While he used the German "Herr" (Lord or Sir) for the Tetragrammaton, in a sermon which he delivered in 1526 on Jeremiah 23:1-8, he said, "The name Jehovah, Lord, belongs exclusively to the true God."
Subsequently, Jehovah was used not only in the "Authorized" King James version of 1611, but the Spanish VALERA version of 1602, the Portugese ALMEIDA version of 1681, the German ELBERFELDER version of 1871, and the American Standard Version of 1901. It appears that the Jerusalem Bible was the first one to used Yahweh instead of Lord and Jehovah.
BUT...the Tetragrammaton listed 4 letters that the Jews where not allowed to utter out of the respect for the name. Just because the firt written English name Jehovah doesn't appear until later, the name Jehovah still refers to God. Isn't the name Joshua and Jesus also related? Jehovah is one of God's many names. He goes by many names. One of his names is the Eternal Father. You have to remember that written accounts were rare.
Starfield

United States

#9 May 31, 2010
whitman girl wrote:
<quoted text>Don't let your children around Catholic Priest for they protect pedophiles.Their Bible is also the King james version<go figure.
Actually their bible is the New jerusalem bible. MY POINT PROVEN! make sure your comments are correct before posting.Any religion that shelters pedophiles whether it would be JW, CATholics or anybody else is sick. JW are nothing more than a social club. Half of them do not believe the doctrines, more are leaving the because of the internet because they realize the lies they are being fed. more would leave but have family in it which makes them stay. Thats how cults contain membership. The Watchtower org. is like modern day pharisess. they take away the kingdom of god from people and make it a legalistic system which is what jesus hates. Jesus came for anyone who would trust in him for forgiveness and eternal life. Its not a organization that we need to come to for salvation but Yeshua. not watchtower. jws are victims of the watchtower org. which is run by lawyers who are not jws. go to christ for salvation not the watchtower.
Starfield

United States

#10 May 31, 2010
Tommy Jenkins wrote:
<quoted text>
BUT...the Tetragrammaton listed 4 letters that the Jews where not allowed to utter out of the respect for the name. Just because the firt written English name Jehovah doesn't appear until later, the name Jehovah still refers to God. Isn't the name Joshua and Jesus also related? Jehovah is one of God's many names. He goes by many names. One of his names is the Eternal Father. You have to remember that written accounts were rare.
"the name Jehovah still refers to God." Then why do JWs make a big issue the about knowing gods name. he has many names. Then why do they teach people that gods name Jehovah when it is mistranslation. your whole religion is based on a mistranslation of God's name. Jesus and Joshua in hebrew is the same Yeshua: names: Yehoshua and Yeshua. Greek &#7992;&#951;&#963 ;&#959;&#8166;&#96 2; or I&#275;soûs is also used to represent the name of Joshua son of Nun in the New Testament passages Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8.(It was also used in the Septuagint to translate the name Hoshea in one of the three verses where this referred to Joshua the son of Nun—Deut. 32:44.)

During the second Temple period (beginning 538 BC – 70 AD), Yeshua first became a known form of the name Yehoshua. All occurrences of Yeshua in the Hebrew Bible are in I Chron. 24:11, II Chron. 31:15, Ezra, and Nehemiah where it is transliterated into English as Jeshua. Two of these men (Joshua the son of Nun and Joshua the High Priest) are mentioned in other books of the Hebrew Bible where they are instead called Yehoshua [13](transliterated into English as Joshua).
The name Yehoshua has the form of a compound of "Yeho-" and "shua": Yeho- &#1497;&#1456;&#14 92;&#1493;&#1465; is another form of &#1497;&#1464;&#14 92;&#1493; Yahu, a theophoric element standing for the personal name of God YHWH, and &#1513;&#1473;&#14 93;&#1468;&#1493;& #1465;&#1513;&#1467; &#1473;&#1506;&#14 63; shua‘ is a noun meaning "a cry for help", "a saving cry",[7][8][9] that is to say, a shout given when in need of rescue. Together, the name would then literally mean, "God is a saving-cry," that is to say, shout to God when in need of help.
Tommy Jenkins

Alexandria, VA

#11 Jun 1, 2010
Starfield wrote:
<quoted text> "the name Jehovah still refers to God." Then why do JWs make a big issue the about knowing gods name. he has many names. Then why do they teach people that gods name Jehovah when it is mistranslation. your whole religion is based on a mistranslation of God's name. Jesus and Joshua in hebrew is the same Yeshua: names: Yehoshua and Yeshua. Greek &#7992;&#951;&#963 ;&#959;&#8166;&#96 2; or I&#275;soûs is also used to represent the name of Joshua son of Nun in the New Testament passages Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8.(It was also used in the Septuagint to translate the name Hoshea in one of the three verses where this referred to Joshua the son of Nun—Deut. 32:44.)
During the second Temple period (beginning 538 BC – 70 AD), Yeshua first became a known form of the name Yehoshua. All occurrences of Yeshua in the Hebrew Bible are in I Chron. 24:11, II Chron. 31:15, Ezra, and Nehemiah where it is transliterated into English as Jeshua. Two of these men (Joshua the son of Nun and Joshua the High Priest) are mentioned in other books of the Hebrew Bible where they are instead called Yehoshua [13](transliterated into English as Joshua).
The name Yehoshua has the form of a compound of "Yeho-" and "shua": Yeho- &#1497;&#1456;&#14 92;&#1493;&#1465; is another form of &#1497;&#1464;&#14 92;&#1493; Yahu, a theophoric element standing for the personal name of God YHWH, and &#1513;&#1473;&#14 93;&#1468;&#1493;& #1465;&#1513;&#1467; &#1473;&#1506;&#14 63; shua‘ is a noun meaning "a cry for help", "a saving cry",[7][8][9] that is to say, a shout given when in need of rescue. Together, the name would then literally mean, "God is a saving-cry," that is to say, shout to God when in need of help.
What you are saying about Jehovah is theoretical. You can say it is a made up name, but other people believe differently. The form is somewhat similar to arabic in that vowels are not used. However, it is still a name used as proper name of the God of the Old Testament. If I were to spell "cat" the arabic way it would be spelled "ct". It would be left to the reader to determine the word from the context of the sentence. For example: the dog chased the "cat". In this case we used an "a" for the vowel. If I said: I "cut" my finger with a sharp knife, I would use the "u" for a vowel. NOW...we can fill in those blanks with any vowels available and the meaning will change. In the case of Jehovah, I think the vowels were the correct ones due to verbal record. You can find just as much material that refutes what you are saying as says that Jehovah was a made up name.
Starfield

United States

#12 Jun 1, 2010
Tommy Jenkins wrote:
<quoted text>
What you are saying about Jehovah is theoretical. You can say it is a made up name, but other people believe differently. The form is somewhat similar to arabic in that vowels are not used. However, it is still a name used as proper name of the God of the Old Testament. If I were to spell "cat" the arabic way it would be spelled "ct". It would be left to the reader to determine the word from the context of the sentence. For example: the dog chased the "cat". In this case we used an "a" for the vowel. If I said: I "cut" my finger with a sharp knife, I would use the "u" for a vowel. NOW...we can fill in those blanks with any vowels available and the meaning will change. In the case of Jehovah, I think the vowels were the correct ones due to verbal record. You can find just as much material that refutes what you are saying as says that Jehovah was a made up name.
The word Jehovah does not make any sense in hebrew. a side topic, How does the bible describe a false prophet and compare that with the watchtower.

sweet dreamer

Elkview, WV

#13 Jun 1, 2010
Tommy Jenkins wrote:
<quoted text>
What you are saying about Jehovah is theoretical. You can say it is a made up name, but other people believe differently. The form is somewhat similar to arabic in that vowels are not used. However, it is still a name used as proper name of the God of the Old Testament. If I were to spell "cat" the arabic way it would be spelled "ct". It would be left to the reader to determine the word from the context of the sentence. For example: the dog chased the "cat". In this case we used an "a" for the vowel. If I said: I "cut" my finger with a sharp knife, I would use the "u" for a vowel. NOW...we can fill in those blanks with any vowels available and the meaning will change. In the case of Jehovah, I think the vowels were the correct ones due to verbal record. You can find just as much material that refutes what you are saying as says that Jehovah was a made up name.
the same can be said for every word in any bible ever translated from the original texts. which comes to another point. the bible, every version of the bible aside from those original texts, are simply some person's translation and interpretation. you have no idea what you are reading. you say it's the "word of god" yet you really don't know, unless you've been lucky enough to see, read, and understand all of the original scrolls and texts yourself. you're simply putting your faith in someone's interpretation and translation.
Starfield

United States

#14 Jun 1, 2010
sweet dreamer wrote:
<quoted text>
the same can be said for every word in any bible ever translated from the original texts. which comes to another point. the bible, every version of the bible aside from those original texts, are simply some person's translation and interpretation. you have no idea what you are reading. you say it's the "word of god" yet you really don't know, unless you've been lucky enough to see, read, and understand all of the original scrolls and texts yourself. you're simply putting your faith in someone's interpretation and translation.
Even the New World Translation says jesus is jehovah. So if JWs claim their bible is the most accurate it even says jesus is jehovah. http://www.youtube.com/barbsinclair#p/f/87/Yg...

do jehovah's witnesses preach the biblical gospel?

http://www.youtube.com/barbsinclair#p/f/280/-...
the truth

Clear Spring, MD

#15 Jun 1, 2010
How does anyone truly know any versions or interpretations of any of the scriptures or gospels are truly accurate and correct (or even anointed)? What about the gospels of Thomas and Mary Magdalene ... they did not make it to the traditional KJV of the Bible (as well as many other gospels). Humans and their relationship with God is so much more than doctrine and religion. It is sad mortals must compartmentalize everything in order to understand and comprehend anything beyond ourselves.

Level 1

Since: Sep 09

Charleston, WV

#16 Jun 1, 2010
Once you turn them into a 360 just as they did you, they will mark you down and never return to your house again..They will keep going to those who don't know their own belief very well but if you know it very well, its less likely theyl show up again. ive always wondered why they dont come to my house anymore until my JW friends from another state let me in on a secret about it.. lol
Starfield

United States

#17 Jun 1, 2010
the truth wrote:
How does anyone truly know any versions or interpretations of any of the scriptures or gospels are truly accurate and correct (or even anointed)? What about the gospels of Thomas and Mary Magdalene ... they did not make it to the traditional KJV of the Bible (as well as many other gospels). Humans and their relationship with God is so much more than doctrine and religion. It is sad mortals must
compartmentalize everything in order to
understand and comprehend anything
beyond ourselves.
I agree but when any religion claims to have the truth and is gods mouthpiece but yet it contradicts itself then something is clearly not right. God does not lie. JW's are fading away here in the states and many more want to leave. You could be next on that train. The wtbts is scared of the Internet because it is exposing the this organization for what it really is. A multimillion dollar publishing company acting as a religion going out and recruiting new Free laborers that do not care about you or any of it's members. If you are happy being lied to and trust your well being in this life and in the next one with this organization then that is your choice. There is not much
anyone can say or do to help you. But I trust Christ as revealed in scripture. Remember teachers and preachers whether it would be a JW or anybody else will be held accountable if they are preaching another gospel.
Ha Ha

Logan, WV

#18 Jun 2, 2010
Works the same with Christians or any other religion. Throw some logic and they flip out.
wellshii

Denver, CO

#19 Jul 21, 2014
People are imperfect,for god and god only will jugdge on an individual basis.Jehovah Witness,Catholic,mormon,whatev er it may be,all will know the True name of the most high

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