Long Island's double-dipping civil se...

Long Island's double-dipping civil servants -

There are 178 comments on the Newsday story from Oct 8, 2007, titled Long Island's double-dipping civil servants -. In it, Newsday reports that:

Alan Schneider, Suffolk County's chief personnel officer, retired on Feb. 12 only to return to work the next day in the same job.

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me e

Yorktown Heights, NY

#171 Oct 9, 2007
a post office worker who busts his butt his whole
life can't get that gig.
no brainer.
Fleca

Oakland, NJ

#172 Oct 9, 2007
When you reach the full retirement age for social security, you can collect full social security benefits no matter how much you earn by working. It's the same with government pensions. If someone is willing to keep working after age 65, they deserve the full retirement benefits they worked for, for 20 or more years, whether they work or not. What's the big deal? The truth is, if Alan Schneider and those others retired, they would collect their full pensions, and their replacement would earn what they are earning in their positions. So it doesn't cost the taxpayers any money - in fact, as Steve Levy pointed out, it actually saves money in benefits! It must have been a very slow news day. Or maybe the folks at Newsday are just jealous that their pensions are not as substantial. Maybe the fight should be to get better benefits for all workers, not to complain or try to reduce the benefits of government workers!
rvc

Holbrook, NY

#173 Oct 9, 2007
What may be legal, is not always ethical. Why couldnt they hire him as a consultant and pay a consulting fee? I'm sure that would be more cost effective. These people should be ashamed of themselves. Steve Levy should be embarassed that he backed this. Way to look out for the taxpayers Steve.
John Flanagan

Brooklyn, NY

#174 Oct 9, 2007
Most civil service workers just earn an average salary and work hard. It is the elitist officials and party hacks of both parties that abuse the system. So much for honest oversight.
michael p

Fairfield, CT

#175 Oct 9, 2007
This is just a sensationalist story. You are going to have to pay someone to work the job anyway. Public sector jobs are lower paying than private jobs. The reason why people work them at lower pay is for the good benefits. So why should someone have to give up benefits the are entitled to because they choose to work further?

Take Dormer for instance... He has a formidable resume, and is just a plain workaholic. Sure he can sit back and relax and live on his pension, but he wants to serve the community. Also, the previous poster is correct about him being retired for 15 years and being successful in the private sector.

Everyone here is welcome to work 20+ years as a civil servant and "double dip" I don't see people knocking down the doors of the civil service dept.(well besides scpd.) The truth is that people like dormer can easily work in loss prevention or be a consultant for far more than they are making as a public servant. The net loss here is 0 so I do not see what the fuss is about.
WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT

Corona, NY

#176 Oct 9, 2007
CDJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Plato did accomplish speaking that sentence out loud, so I guess it's sort of an accomplishment. Damn you What Its All About. Damn you and your careful deconstruction of my comment.
Seriously though, quoting historical figures instead of just saying what you want is pretentious to the point of insulting. Be a man (or woman) and just say what you feel. It's a beautiful world out here. Why don't you come outside and take a look?
exactly, plato said this perfectly,very simply
maybe too simply.
forgive my pretentiousness (is that spelled right?)

its raining
Concerned Police Officer

AOL

#177 Oct 9, 2007
I enjoyed your article on " Pensions Plus Pay". You might want to look at Assistant Commissioner Dennis Monette of the Nassau County Police Department. Assistant Comissioner Monette retired in the nineties with a three quarter accidental disability pension. Tax Free! He drives a unmarked police car. He has been involved in arrests on and off duty. Does this sound like a man, who can no longer do the job as stated in his disability pension?

Even with a 211 waiver.
Dan from PA

AOL

#179 Oct 10, 2007
Fleca wrote:
When you reach the full retirement age for social security, you can collect full social security benefits no matter how much you earn by working. It's the same with government pensions. If someone is willing to keep working after age 65, they deserve the full retirement benefits they worked for, for 20 or more years, whether they work or not. What's the big deal? The truth is, if Alan Schneider and those others retired, they would collect their full pensions, and their replacement would earn what they are earning in their positions. So it doesn't cost the taxpayers any money - in fact, as Steve Levy pointed out, it actually saves money in benefits! It must have been a very slow news day. Or maybe the folks at Newsday are just jealous that their pensions are not as substantial. Maybe the fight should be to get better benefits for all workers, not to complain or try to reduce the benefits of government workers!
A Civil Service entry level position does NOT start at the same salary level as their predecessor. The salary is decreased to the base rate and it takes many years before you'll earn the higher rate. Unlike hiring practices when he first started, they now perform "contractual evaluations" and the increases are based on performance.
Now that you know this, this is a big deal. We're paying a Civil Servant twice the amount they deserve and cutting down the career ladder for those who worked so hard looking for a promotion. Not to mention that the taxpayers are paying the tab. It is not fair for Suffolk County to impose tax increases for salary increases. As a whole they are way overpaid for the amount given back to the taxpayer.

Since: Jun 07

Copiague, NY

#180 Oct 10, 2007
Bender wrote:
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Civil Servent defending corruption, nothing new.
Go back to doing nothing, it's what you're good at.
In most cases I would agree with you. This is story that demands change in our laws.

Legal ripoffs of the taxpayer are the fault of our system. Legally hand me a second paycheck and see if hand it back.

These loopholes must be changed as they are exposed.
Pfluger the Union Monkey

Boston, MA

#181 Oct 10, 2007
Tom wrote:
DUMP SUOZZI!
I would put Steinbrenner in charge of the Nassau County budget.
Pfluger the Union Monkey

Boston, MA

#182 Oct 10, 2007
Bill1154 wrote:
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In most cases I would agree with you. This is story that demands change in our laws.
Legal ripoffs of the taxpayer are the fault of our system. Legally hand me a second paycheck and see if hand it back.
These loopholes must be changed as they are exposed.
They will never be changed, regardless of what politicians might tell you. They are lying, and know that they need the Union Monkey vote. They are politicians for life, and have no real work skills. Just hacks. So they will always pander to the Union.

In NY and NJ and some other states, the Unions have gained such huge presence that THEY CONTROL POLICY, thru their politicians who they have on a string.

This is the reason why, New York has the highest state and local per capita taxes in the nation at $5,752, a full 55% above the national average per US Census data.

Anyone can look this up, or look up the number of government employees per 1000 population.

The Union Monkeys will make all kinds of arguments to obscure, deny, or just confuse the taxpayers. They just want you all to continue paying for the enormous government welfare state you are supporting.

Flee, before the cold, cold bastards take everything you have.
merner

Chester, NY

#183 Oct 10, 2007
Where is the Detectives union. Their silence on this matter is deafening.
You mean to tell me that there is not one detective who came up through the ranks that doesn't want a promotion??????
That only old retired former cops can do this work?? Must be one hell of an unexpierinced detective unit there in suffolk who are unfit to be detective investigators. shheees, who knew??
merner

Chester, NY

#184 Oct 10, 2007
CDJ wrote this.
Please, spare me the hysterics. What these people are doing is within the law and these aren't garbagemen and water district goons. These are highly educated, highly skilled people. And don't hide behind the "How could they do this to us, the taxpayers" rhetoric.

Let me know what happens when you're handed a double salary. Would you turn it down out of some imaginary noble idea of representative government?

Yeah, that's what I thought."

Real nice CDJ. I have more respect for my garbage man than I do these bums How noble of you to put yourself above those who do an honest days work. Oh please tell us about their highly education that these bums have. What you don't know???? I thought so!
SickAndTired

Brooklyn, NY

#185 Oct 10, 2007
I have HAD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!
All you scumbag leeches sucking off the public like that. And Levy saying that there is no one who knows civil service law better is CRAP!!!
It is BECAUSE he knows the LOOPHOLES that he was able to take advantage of the system.
I CAN'T WAIT TO MOVE OFF LONG ISLAND.

Since: Jun 07

Copiague, NY

#186 Oct 10, 2007
Pfluger the Union Monkey wrote:
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They will never be changed, regardless of what politicians might tell you. They are lying, and know that they need the Union Monkey vote. They are politicians for life, and have no real work skills. Just hacks. So they will always pander to the Union.
In NY and NJ and some other states, the Unions have gained such huge presence that THEY CONTROL POLICY, thru their politicians who they have on a string.
This is the reason why, New York has the highest state and local per capita taxes in the nation at $5,752, a full 55% above the national average per US Census data.
Anyone can look this up, or look up the number of government employees per 1000 population.
The Union Monkeys will make all kinds of arguments to obscure, deny, or just confuse the taxpayers. They just want you all to continue paying for the enormous government welfare state you are supporting.
Flee, before the cold, cold bastards take everything you have.
Oh, OK
smiley

Coram, NY

#187 Oct 10, 2007
does Phil Nolan of Islip have any double dippers on his staff? If so why.
Thoughts

Atlanta, GA

#188 Oct 10, 2007
Concerned citizen wrote:
It is ridiculous that Chau Lam would even publish something like this in the paper, portraying county officials that have served and protected communities for decades with honor as people who have done something wrong. These individuals have past experience that make them well qualified for the job. Some have put themselves in harms way during their careers in the interest of protecting society, so loosers like Chau can feel safe at night while writing stupid articles portraying people in negative ways who do not deserve it.These people respectfully are county employees that pour their heart and soul in to their careers and have made a difference in the past.
Chau, maybe you should write about the major accomplishments and good things these people have done in the past, instead of portraying them in the media as people who are somehow cheating the system.
If someone else were hired and paid the same salaries to fill their positions with much less experience, how is that a better situation?
Maybe Chau Lam should concentrate on writing about the low lifes such as corrupt corporate executives or administrators who steal and cheat the system, taking away from the funds of the school districts without adequate contribution
Chau, you would have been a great reporter for the Enquirer, Star, or Weekly World News.
If you were truly a "Concerned Citizen", rather than a mouth-piece for the county officials, then your reply would be very different.

By calling the reporter by first name only, indicates you probably had had some sort of prior contact with the individual.

As far as the story, it did not say in one way or another whether this practice is positive or negative. It's left up to the readers to decide. The fact you, "Concerned Citizen", felt what was written as "negative" is a good indication you do agree such practice isn't such a great idea, yet you are afraid to voice it yourself. Whereas another person who fully believes that our motive should be going out there and grab every penny we can, this article will be viewed as overwhelmingly positive.

As for writing about the positives these politicians had done, well.... These people are elected or appointed to perform a job. IF they do their job right, get done what they are paid to do, do we really need a newspaper to write about it? Does that mean newspapers should write about everyone, you-Concerned Citizen included, everyday when one you do not pee in your pants? But you 'accomplished' something, and did it well, and did it right. Perhaps we should celebrate it!

If someone else is appointed to Alan Schneider's position by Steve Levy, that person should not start at the same salary as Schneider. It is also even more ridiculous that anyone believes Alan Schneider is the only qualified person around for that post.

As far as writings about corrupted corporate executives or administrators, all "Concerned Citizen" need to do is to learn how to flip the pages of the newspaper to the "Business" section to find those stories. It's rather simple, really!
Sunshine

Brooklyn, NY

#189 Oct 11, 2007
I agree that these double dippers in Suffolk and Nassau need to be stopped. Being born and raised on Long Island,
the middle class family (if they exist), can hardly make ends meet. It sickens me to thnk that these enormous salaries are being distributed amongst "retired" government employees. The legislator should also look in the double dipping of Long Island's Township employees. I know this
is happening in the Town of Huntington. No wonder why
our land tax keeps climbing. The school taxes are huge
enough, without us having to carry the load of paying more
to support the second income of these double dippers. I wish I could foresee myself retiring at 65 and working fulltime to collect a full salary without penalty, however, the
reality is that I will probably have to continue to work just
to have medical benefits. The way New York state is going, between all the excessive spending, taxing and immigration issues, this state is bound to be undesirable to
live in or visit

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