AH Roberts Parents Be heard

AH Roberts Parents Be heard

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Change Needed

Cookeville, TN

#1 Aug 11, 2012
You can call this starting trouble or raising awareness or label it any other way. My point is to hear how people really feel. I don't really believe that any action will work unless enough people gather and demand change. Until then we voice our concerns for these county schools. I am afraid to list my name for fear of how my child may be treated, but I think that if people who have control really care the school board will see a pattern.

My question: Why do we practice segregation in AH Roberts.Segregate-to separate or set apart from others or from the main body or group; isolate: to segregate exceptional children; to segregate hardened criminals.
I know someone will have a remark but really we do practice this at the school, not racially but we do it. Do the "advanced" stay separated from the "less desirables" throughout school? It is strange how so many teachers children and others with ties to certain people are in those "best of" classes. In high school we recognize the top ten and normally top 25. But in each grade starting in 1st grade we have 40 out of 100 that are "better" than the others. I think there is a big correlation to who your child has for kindergarten or who you may be related to or just plain old
segregation. Apparently most of the advanced come from 2 kindergarten teachers Parsons and Ledbetter and then each grade has a essentially "advanced" teacher who is either smarter or gets better results or something in that nature.
There are people who will say that some students learn differently. That statement is true, but why are the students not given help or challenged at all who learn at a different slower level? They are passed so their own teachers show improvement. Some will say that I am mad. You would be correct, I am furious and everyone of you should be as well. The little click of Overton County is sickening. I grew up here and would like to see good results from this town. Hell even professors at Tech say that Livingston students are not prepared for College.
Please speak and be heard!!!!
that simple

Springfield, SC

#2 Aug 11, 2012
you make some great points, but your frustration is amid at the wrong group.. the biggest problem
comes from..no child left behind..and..race to the top.. my advice to you would first be to familiarize yourself with both programs than let your voice be heard..
My opinion

Stanfield, NC

#3 Aug 12, 2012
I heard they are also starting this at Allons this year. I completely disagree with this being done. I feel like that the children that are excluded from the "smart group" will definitely be left behind. Teachers will be focusing too much on the "smart" kids and let the other kids fall through the cracks. All kids should be treated the same no matter what.
agree

Cookeville, TN

#4 Aug 12, 2012
I AGREE, WITH ( CHANGE NEEDED) I AM OLDER, AND HAVE FOUND OUT YEARS AGO, NO ONE WILL HELP YOU UNLESS YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND STICK WITH YOUR AGENDA.
Here Now

Cookeville, TN

#5 Aug 12, 2012
How do you check their scoring against other schools? They probably have the same or better scores than the other surrounding schools.
are you saying

Cookeville, TN

#6 Aug 12, 2012
That teachers are ranked also? Thats funny!! Who are the advanced ones in each grade anyway?

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#7 Aug 12, 2012
My child has always been more advanced than others. This year she started High school, and is in all honors classes. Is it wrong in High School they have honors classes? Why should students that ARE more advanced be held back by students that learn on a lower curve than those who learn fast? How would that be fair? And why would you want a child that doesnt learn on a higher curve be forced to try to learn at a faster pace and end up failing? Be real. So your child didnt make it into advance classes. BooHoo get over yourself!

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#8 Aug 12, 2012
Further more. I have 4 children, 2 of which learn much much faster than the other 2. My oldest, and the youngest. My youngest is 4, she reads, does 1t grade math, knows 14 of the states and capitals, can identify several states on a map. she knows all her alphabet by sight, knows all her colors, can spell most any 3-4 letter word. so should she be put in a regular class where she would get bored waiting for others to catch up to her level?
Parent

Byrdstown, TN

#9 Aug 12, 2012
My child has been in "ability grouped" classes and has attended programs where that is not practiced as well. We (BY FAR) prefer the ability grouping. My student is in the upper 10% of her class and when she was in classes that were NOT ability grouped, the teacher spent the majority of the time teaching to the students who are lower scoring. It's not fair to my child, nor would it be fair to the lower scoring child to be placed in a class where the teacher taught "to" the upper scoring group only. There is just no way for a teacher to teach "in the middle" of the group and truly challenge ALL of the children unless they are grouped by ability and skill levels. When in a class like that, my child was bored to tears, doodled all day and was expected to "help" the children beside her learn the things that she already knew and they struggled with. Those were the words of the teacher. My child was not there to be the teacher... she was there to learn and be challenged.

Since: Jul 12

Nashville, TN

#10 Aug 12, 2012
It would and appears to me that it is not hte school or the teachers. It appears to be lazy parents that do not want to help their children. Afterall it is not completey the teachers responsibility
momof4

Gainesboro, TN

#11 Aug 12, 2012
I have 4 children and they have all been placed in the "advanced" group. I do feel this is because me and my husband are involved parents and have worked very hard and dedicated a lot of time to our children, which is how it should be. I am by no means bragging but I am proud of my children. They do not see themselves better than anyone else and I have taught them to be kind to everyone and never leave anyone out. I have mixed emotions on the grouping thing. I have one child that was just born naturally advanced. His teacher noticed him becoming very bored in the 1st grade and that is when they started giving him more advanced work and then decided to test his IQ and he scored at a "gifted" level. His smarts have nothing to do with my parenting. In his case I am glad that they have the grouping system because he would be VERY bored with average work for his age. Children learn at a different pace and I think that is why they have the grouping system. The children would never know they were in a "special" class unless their parents told them. Like I said, my kids are nice to everyone and would never ever treat anyone differently and that is because we raised them that way. The way children treat others is a reflection of what their parents have taught them, thats just my opinion.
Watch for Eyerolls

Livingston, TN

#12 Aug 12, 2012
Oh I wish there was a cure for ignorance………….oh wait there is an education. For the last two of you who posted here claiming to be so unbelievably intelligent please see that you educate yourselves on the overwhelming number of reasons on why a child learns at a slower pace than others, but from the way you talk a child that learns at a normal pace is slow. How about a child could be advanced and showing signs of boredom, but lets their grades slip because they are unnoticed. You are both ARROGANTLY IGNORANT and should do everything in your power to correct that. I can see both sides on this argument, but you two have been so ridiculous that it would be impossible to focus on anything other than your flagrant rants about your presumably perfect children. If you need your ego stroked call your family. Give me a break. You may claim you don’t teach them that they are some how “better” that’s laughable on so many levels, but I would bet you tell the little darlings daily that their in a better class than everyone else.

I work with my child daily and while we were aiming for above average I believe the child is average on most things. Better in Math but normal in about everything else. It’s not uncommon for children to thrive in say Mathematical Classes but struggle/be average in English or Literature Classes. It happens the other way around also. I’d rather my child be average and well mannered than Above-average and be a complete nightmare to be around. On that note I will help my child after school to deal with boredom that’s what my parents did and I learned far more than they would have been willing to teach in school. I’d prefer my child be in a ‘NORMAL’ class.

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#13 Aug 12, 2012
Watch for Eyerolls wrote:
Oh I wish there was a cure for ignorance………….oh wait there is an education. For the last two of you who posted here claiming to be so unbelievably intelligent please see that you educate yourselves on the overwhelming number of reasons on why a child learns at a slower pace than others, but from the way you talk a child that learns at a normal pace is slow. How about a child could be advanced and showing signs of boredom, but lets their grades slip because they are unnoticed. You are both ARROGANTLY IGNORANT and should do everything in your power to correct that. I can see both sides on this argument, but you two have been so ridiculous that it would be impossible to focus on anything other than your flagrant rants about your presumably perfect children. If you need your ego stroked call your family. Give me a break. You may claim you don’t teach them that they are some how “better” that’s laughable on so many levels, but I would bet you tell the little darlings daily that their in a better class than everyone else.
I work with my child daily and while we were aiming for above average I believe the child is average on most things. Better in Math but normal in about everything else. It’s not uncommon for children to thrive in say Mathematical Classes but struggle/be average in English or Literature Classes. It happens the other way around also. I’d rather my child be average and well mannered than Above-average and be a complete nightmare to be around. On that note I will help my child after school to deal with boredom that’s what my parents did and I learned far more than they would have been willing to teach in school. I’d prefer my child be in a ‘NORMAL’ class.
WRONG i do work with my child, how else would my 4 year old be learning first grade math?

And my oldest, well she excels in EVERY subject. Hence, how she is in HONORS MATH, ENGLISH, AND SCIENCE.

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#14 Aug 12, 2012
And my oldest has always been teachers pet, polite, sweet, volunteered to help with tutoring younger kids in an after school program. and in morning tutoring before school. Yup sounds like a nightmare to me! get over yourself
teacher

Livingston, TN

#15 Aug 12, 2012
um yeah1212 wrote:
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WRONG i do work with my child, how else would my 4 year old be learning first grade math?
And my oldest, well she excels in EVERY subject. Hence, how she is in HONORS MATH, ENGLISH, AND SCIENCE.
Well thats good to hear but I`ve got news for you This county test scores are way behind other counties and what an A here might be a D or F elsewhere.Tennesse ranks way down on the list for education.I bet some little kid in China or India could easily test better than your honor students they rank 1 and 2 in the world the U.S.rank is somewhere near the bottom.
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Livingston, TN

#16 Aug 12, 2012
You missed the point not surprised though. If you were smart your child would be in a better school system. Both Cookeville and Byrdstown are more advanced than Livingston Schools if your child is above average here well they are pretty much average. If your child is always teachers pet and in one of those class as smart as you say they are rather than somewhere else You ARE A TEACHER. Especially when you blame the parents for a child not being advanced bright one. That’s what I said learn to read. I ALSO WORK WITH MY CHILD FOR HOURS EVERY EVENING. That’s why they are advanced in Math also that and THE TEACHERS WE'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH. Those other schools systems aren’t more advanced because the parents are better than the parents here THEY ARE ADVANCED BECAUSE OF THEIR TEACHERS. The parents here don’t work with their children any more or less than they do anywhere else clue in. You are completely devoid of intelligence clearly.
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Livingston, TN

#17 Aug 12, 2012
teacher wrote:
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Well thats good to hear but I`ve got news for you This county test scores are way behind other counties and what an A here might be a D or F elsewhere.Tennesse ranks way down on the list for education.I bet some little kid in China or India could easily test better than your honor students they rank 1 and 2 in the world the U.S.rank is somewhere near the bottom.
Thanks teacher. You said it better than I could.
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Livingston, TN

#18 Aug 12, 2012
um yeah1212 wrote:
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WRONG i do work with my child, how else would my 4 year old be learning first grade math?
And my oldest, well she excels in EVERY subject. Hence, how she is in HONORS MATH, ENGLISH, AND SCIENCE.
I never said you didn't which tells me you weren't reading. No one ever does fully read anything on here. I also never said your prodigy wasn't good at everything I said my child was advanced in Math but about normal on other things. That is going by the ixl site as well as a few others that gauge your child's progress and their test scores for last year. But then you could have been asserting your dominance or whatever. As if I would believe the hype on this site. Either way my comments were directed at the two above mine, hence the reason for the second sentence.
midnite train

Cookeville, TN

#19 Aug 13, 2012
um yeah1212 wrote:
And my oldest has always been teachers pet, polite, sweet, volunteered to help with tutoring younger kids in an after school program. and in morning tutoring before school. Yup sounds like a nightmare to me! get over yourself
can't wait for your perfect children get to college then they will know they are only perfect in livingston

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#20 Aug 13, 2012
midnite train wrote:
<quoted text>can't wait for your perfect children get to college then they will know they are only perfect in livingston
Never said she was perfect. She just does her best to be the best she can be, which is all I can ask for.

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