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Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41655 Oct 8, 2012
former res wrote:
Frijoles,
Have you been checking out the news? The polls?
Still think debates don't matter?
Only if someone does really well or really poorly - or both.
Otherwise....they don't.
It was my hope that debates dont matter. Its now a battle of narratives. Romney used to be the terminally wounded one. Now Obama is. He needs to break through that narrative.

What gets me is the enthusiasm the conservatives now have in closing ranks around their man, who just pivoted away from their views. From a logically point of view, that makes no sense and is really ficked up. Unless the dislike for Obama from the Conservatives isnt really about politics/economics/social views, but,(dare I say), something more visceral like.....????

I think the election isnt going to about polling percentages- its going to be about turnout.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41656 Oct 8, 2012
former res wrote:
Frijoles,
Have you been checking out the news? The polls?
Still think debates don't matter?
Only if someone does really well or really poorly - or both.
Otherwise....they don't.
I understand that speeching is the thing to do when in the senate.
Unlike in Europe debate does not feature large.
So two more chances and the lady Clinton has some more work to do.

I always liked Obama because he had his facts in order.
That's likable about democrates in general.

Rebups give the usual devoid of intelligence colgate smiles, the plastic over-engineered wife and ineptitudes but get elected anyway.

What i understand from reading across the board is that people are just plain scared of government involvement, no matter how well regulated and transparant.
So voting half a moron in that will sent them to die (starve them, leave them on the streets etc.) is the better option?
I just don't get it.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41657 Oct 8, 2012
I understood that Romney said something entirely stupid (borrowing money from china to provide us healthcare) and instead of shaking his head (the stupidity of it all and who the hell orchestrated this freakshow anyway) and giving the guy the floor, obama was supposed to have decked him.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41658 Oct 8, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
It was my hope that debates dont matter. Its now a battle of narratives. Romney used to be the terminally wounded one. Now Obama is. He needs to break through that narrative.
What gets me is the enthusiasm the conservatives now have in closing ranks around their man, who just pivoted away from their views. From a logically point of view, that makes no sense and is really ficked up. Unless the dislike for Obama from the Conservatives isnt really about politics/economics/social views, but,(dare I say), something more visceral like.....????
I think the election isnt going to about polling percentages- its going to be about turnout.
That's the other thing. Lately i was looking into libertarian party and the concept in general which on economic grounds also seems to entail the tea-party and conservatives.

So they put their eggs in one basket, i'll bet after calculating the odds. What with 10 million hispanic origin people suddenly not being allowed to vote.
I still have not figured out how that happened.
Maybe someone can enlighten me?
former res

Broomall, PA

#41659 Oct 8, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
It was my hope that debates dont matter. Its now a battle of narratives. Romney used to be the terminally wounded one. Now Obama is. He needs to break through that narrative.
What gets me is the enthusiasm the conservativesc now have in closing ranks around their man, who just pivoted away from their views. From a logically point of view, that makes no sense and is really ficked up. Unless the dislike for Obama from the Conservatives isnt really about politics/economics/social views, but,(dare I say), something more visceral like.....????
I think the election isnt going to about polling percentages- its going to be about turnout.
Remember 4 years ago when Romney said "I've been a hunter all my life" and it turned out he'd been hunting exactly twice (once as kid and once recently)? The guy will literally say ANYTHING to get elected. He's as phony and without conviction or a core as the day is long.(As Teddy Kennedy said of him, when it comes to abortion Romney is not pro-choice or pro-life, he's "mulitple choice.")

His base will join him in selling out if it means reclaiming the White House.

If the tables turn too much in the key swing states, Obama could be in trouble.

And along the lines of turnout - Chuck Todd also makes a good and worrying point.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/07/chuc...

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41660 Oct 8, 2012
See former res post:
The GOP advantage spans all the key voting constituencies. In terms of seniors, a strong group for Republican nominee Mitt Romney, 87 percent of voters are enthusiastic, up six points from 2008. Two key groups for Obama, young voters and Latinos, are showing less interest: 52 percent of 18-to-34 year olds are "extremely interested," down 20 points from 2008, and 59 percent of Latinos, down 18 points.

"So even though [Obama's] going to get more Hispanics, if less of them turn out, it's a net zero. And yet, you look at Republican enthusiasm, up, senior enthusiasm, up," Todd said.

"It's a huge problem," he said. "And by the way, all of this, pre-debate."

end quote

What i understood is that 10 million hispanics that used to be eligable to vote, have had their right to do so revoked.
Why is unclear.
So not that they might right now not show such an interest.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#41661 Oct 8, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I find you reactions kind of curious, honestly.
I never found his approach that unique. On rare equation he can deliver masterful speeches (such as his speech on racism). More often than not I find him too intellectual, and his day to day spech patterns grate on me (so did both Bushes).
But I will vote for him. Happily and eagerly.
Why? because his views and values mroe accurately reflect my values and views than the other guy.
Which is why most people who vote for him will vote for him.
You impute wayyyyyy too much charisma into the guy. I have a relative who early on used to carry on sarcastically about the "annoited one". At the time I really did not understand why sho would care or notice. She turned into a Tea Party person once the movement gained a name. I think its only the conservative tea party types that pursue this avenue of worship. The rest of us like him for his views and values.
Good post.

At the end of the day, Obama is a politician just like the rest of them. And, at the end of the day, it all boils down to which candidate's/party's ideals you align with more. Speeches and rah-rah pep rallies have never swayed me. I guess some people are more emotional and easily swayed than others.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#41662 Oct 8, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Remember 4 years ago when Romney said "I've been a hunter all my life" and it turned out he'd been hunting exactly twice (once as kid and once recently)? The guy will literally say ANYTHING to get elected. He's as phony and without conviction or a core as the day is long.(As Teddy Kennedy said of him, when it comes to abortion Romney is not pro-choice or pro-life, he's "mulitple choice.")
His base will join him in selling out if it means reclaiming the White House.
If the tables turn too much in the key swing states, Obama could be in trouble.
And along the lines of turnout - Chuck Todd also makes a good and worrying point.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/07/chuc...
It leaves one to wonder if he did get elected, where on the political spectrum he would settle in - far right or moderate right?
Voluntarist

United States

#41663 Oct 8, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
You may not think that way, but it has been clear since the first day of Obamas presidency that there were a lot of people were pissed off at the idea of a black man as president. What do you think all the birtherism /closet muslim thing is all about?Where else does that irrational hatred come from? I was never a fan of Bush, but you didnt see me exuding that degree of emotion against him.
Regarding the less fortunate, Romney didnt win you any favors in arguing that repubs care. And neither did any of the zanies during the primaries.
Was racism behind the uproar of Bill Clinton lying under oath?
People are angry with Obama's lying and covering up, refusing to release information. If you have nothing to hide why are you acting as if there is something to hide?
He is a public figure and his behavior fueled the fire.
Voluntarist

United States

#41664 Oct 8, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Its funny how the birthers never asked any of the OTHER candidates for president to produce their birth certificates.
Nor did anyone really raise the issue in previous elections pre-Obama.
Gee, I wonder what is different about THIS president?
duh
The issue was raised about McCain's eligibility, was that based on racism?
Voluntarist

United States

#41666 Oct 8, 2012
MAAT wrote:
Apropos did not Bush promiss everone his own home, making that into some law, and again leaving democrats to pick up the pieces?
The Glass-steagall act was dismantled during Clintons era.
As usual the presidency because of the 2 party system and the gang mentality keeping a libertarian out of the debates has left a choice once again of the less of 2 evils.
One thing is for sure, any vote cast will be one for evil, and evil will once again prevail.
Voluntarist

United States

#41667 Oct 8, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Remember 4 years ago when Romney said "I've been a hunter all my life" and it turned out he'd been hunting exactly twice (once as kid and once recently)? The guy will literally say ANYTHING to get elected. He's as phony and without conviction or a core as the day is long.(As Teddy Kennedy said of him, when it comes to abortion Romney is not pro-choice or pro-life, he's "mulitple choice.")
His base will join him in selling out if it means reclaiming the White House.
If the tables turn too much in the key swing states, Obama could be in trouble.
And along the lines of turnout - Chuck Todd also makes a good and worrying point.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/07/chuc...
People will vote their wallets, their wallets are empty under Obama, mittens (if he is smart) will hammer that home and win.
Not that it matters, Goldman Sachs owns both horses.
former res

Broomall, PA

#41668 Oct 8, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
People will vote their wallets, their wallets are empty under Obama, mittens (if he is smart) will hammer that home and win.
Not that it matters, Goldman Sachs owns both horses.
Obama better represents me and the size of my wallet.

Also, why go back to the policies that sent us into the '08 recession?

Wouldn't make much sense to me.

“"Beau-Se'ant”

Since: Jan 09

Manchester

#41669 Oct 8, 2012
A powerful video by a young Jewish woman that every American should see....

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Voluntarist

United States

#41670 Oct 8, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama better represents me and the size of my wallet.
Also, why go back to the policies that sent us into the '08 recession?
Wouldn't make much sense to me.
So Goldman Sachs candidate a represents your wallet better than Goldman Sachs candidate b, please explain.
Both candidates will increase the size and cost of inept government, but you think that 1 candidate will rob the more wealthy slaves versus the other will rob the less wealthy slaves?
I suppose you are trying to minimize the theft, once again just voting for the evil that you are more in line with.
former res

Broomall, PA

#41671 Oct 8, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
It leaves one to wonder if he did get elected, where on the political spectrum he would settle in - far right or moderate right?
He debated even more left than that.

"Of course we need regulation!"

The guy is totally shameless.
former res

Broomall, PA

#41672 Oct 8, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
So Goldman Sachs candidate a represents your wallet better than Goldman Sachs candidate b, please explain.
Both candidates will increase the size and cost of inept government, but you think that 1 candidate will rob the more wealthy slaves versus the other will rob the less wealthy slaves?
I suppose you are trying to minimize the theft, once again just voting for the evil that you are more in line with.
Exactly. I'm a "less wealthy slave."

Obama has cut my taxes.

The other guy will likely take away my home mortgage deduction, despite what he says.

To paraphrase a GOP congressman from a State of the Union:

"He lies!"

Tune in Thursday night to hear his Romeny mate lie. Even Fox News said Ryan's conventions speech was full of lies.
former res

Broomall, PA

#41673 Oct 8, 2012
According to Fox News columnist Sally Kohn, vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan's speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday "was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech."

"On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold," Kohn wrote.

In a surprising move, Fox News joined CNN, The Huffington Post, the Washington Post's Wonkblog, and ThinkProgress in publishing a fact-check of the Republican vice presidential nominee's speech, finding that the speech was full of lies and misleading assertions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/fox-...
Voluntarist

United States

#41674 Oct 8, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. I'm a "less wealthy slave."
Obama has cut my taxes.
The other guy will likely take away my home mortgage deduction, despite what he says.
To paraphrase a GOP congressman from a State of the Union:
"He lies!"
Tune in Thursday night to hear his Romeny mate lie. Even Fox News said Ryan's conventions speech was full of lies.
Nothing new there, don't all politicians lie and go back on "promises "?
One thing is clear, the country is in financial turmoil and government can't seem to fix anything.
Obama and the inept house and Senate has done nothing.
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#41675 Oct 8, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing new there, don't all politicians lie and go back on "promises "?

One thing is clear, the country is in financial turmoil and government can't seem to fix anything.

Obama and the inept house and Senate has done nothing.
1. Yep they do. But I prefer the guy with the consistent track record. I knwo what i am getting.

2. But I dont believe the country is in turmoil. Employment is slowly slowly coming back. Yes, we need to address the debt, but as Obama has stated, we dotn have to adress it all at once.

3. Obama was the president in power when we retreated from the brink of the worst crisis since the depression. Thats good enuf work for me.

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