Pajaro Valley mulls early end to scho...

Pajaro Valley mulls early end to school year

There are 22 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Nov 19, 2009, titled Pajaro Valley mulls early end to school year. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

Summer vacation could come early this year to the Pajaro Valley. Struggling to find $7.5 million in savings, district leaders are looking at furloughs as an option.

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Ben Lomond, CA

#25 Nov 20, 2009
I am sorry wrote:
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but with 15 years in education, and all of this well documented and easily accessible online, you have little to dispute.
PV district salaries for 2007-2008
Let's say you're right.$60,000+ for working 180 days out of a normal 260 day year? Wow, that is pretty sweet. Now I never said anything about that vacation time being paid, did I?
Funny how you label everything as "c.rap," but you can only pull out a salary dispute (which is wrong) and only a part of a tax break. If what I posted was truly that bad, you'd have a lot more to say.
I said 60k after 25 years, plus a college education of at least 5 and probably 6 or 7 years. The per hour wage is not particularly high, no more than carpenters and mechanics (good, honest professions that should be compensated well, but which don't involve years of higher education), and certainly not commensurate with the educational requirements involved. It is "OK" at best, and not "sweet" by any stretch.

A lot more to say? Everything you write is an exaggeration of reality, with an angry vendetta against educators seething beneath the surface. Why should I dispute point by point, when a couple of examples suffice to point out that your arguments are silly at best, hateful at worst? UCSC offers a Masters in 5 years, a grueling program that is, admittedly, a stretch, but not for the reasons you cite (i.e. none). It's a stretch because education is as much an art as a science, and without tangible classroom experience, theoretical knowledge alone does not a balanced equation create. That said, no other program that I'm aware of does this. You take the exception and point to it as the rule. This is disingenuous, and you know it. The point is if you will lie about one point you'll lie about them all, and that is essentially the case. And speaking of cases, I rest mine. C.rap. is what you spew, and c.rap is what I call it. 80k after 2 years is the same as 60k after 25? Yeah, right.
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Atherton, CA

#26 Nov 20, 2009
but I guess you chose not to view the facts in the link provided. Where is your documentation on 25 years? There are plenty of document California education wage step scales providing a simple outline that backs what I documented. Provide one that backs yours.

Your "facts," by your own use of "probably" doesn't add up. Is it 5, 6, or 7 years of college education? I know all too well how many years of education is necessary to receive a Master's degree in education. I am also well aware of the undergraduate courses required. I am also aware of continuing education (7-12 hours of classroom seat hours every 5-7 years, depending on state and credentials). I am also aware of the required CBEST test.

Let's compare "grueling" degree programs, shall we? Let's examine 4-year nursing programs. No summers off (year-round schooling), 3-4 hours clinicals (often very early in the morning) before a full day of normal undergrad classes. And this doesn't count the endless paperwork beyond the enormous task of learning medicine.

Now let's compare your "per hour" wage. Teachers don't make more than measly carpenters and mechanics, huh? Are you sure you want to compare blue color and white color jobs? Remember the old adage: Those who can't do, teach. Those carpenters and mechanics you put down by "not involving a higher education," often work at least 6 days per week, usually 7 days per week. They are often driving hours to distant job sites, just to have a job to go to (especially in this slow economy). Most work days are at minimum 10 hour days.

Now I will whole-hearted agree with you on theory v. practicum. It is an argument I have had with many university instructors. The only logic provided is that they are afraid that potential teachers will not want to become teachers because the theory is so radically different that actual classroom experience.

The "angry vendetta" you cite is little more than a wish for the truth to be documented. Few are able to refute what I've documented beyond "you hate educators" like you have stated. Too many teachers cry poor, literally and figuratively. I don't like people being goaded into feeling sorry without knowing what is really going on in the education circle.

Remember the story a few months back on poor Watsonville HS being given only 1-year of accreditation? Take a look at the documentation that was provided, refuting the idiot principal and the poor reporting. I have personally been through two WASC accreditation evaluations, and have done contract work for the Burlingame office for over a year. I'm well acquainted with how accreditation is done, and the principal's crying and the poor reporting only provide the public with false information. But I guess the truth the was documented by someone "in the know" would be labeled as hatred by you.

I'm not sure how you justify what has been documented as lying, when you provide no documentation yourself to back your two statements. And when I call you on it, you still fumble with accusations. If I'm "lying," there are an awful lot of items to discuss, yet you say that I "lied" about one, thus I must be "lying" about all. Poor rebuttal.

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