Pajaro Valley mulls early end to scho...

Pajaro Valley mulls early end to school year

There are 22 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Nov 19, 2009, titled Pajaro Valley mulls early end to school year. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

Summer vacation could come early this year to the Pajaro Valley. Struggling to find $7.5 million in savings, district leaders are looking at furloughs as an option.

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Local Yokel

Oakland, CA

#1 Nov 19, 2009
It is either furloughs and a shorter school year or even more people in the district getting pink-slipped. I've gotten one the last two years and am not planning on being around to get another one this coming June. PVUSD is in a very, very bad place right now and, until the economy improves, it is stuck there.
WestSide

Ladera Ranch, CA

#2 Nov 19, 2009
Why don't they end it entirely & permanently.

Everyone - well, at least students, tax-payers and parents - would be better off with private schools and homeschooling than with public schools.
corpy

United States

#3 Nov 19, 2009
binding arbitration and not requiring teachers to pay their (diminishing) salary toward benefits is all the union is asking for in exchange. PVUSD board negotiators have not ceded to these 2 small requests. this battle is far from over.
PVUSD Teacher

San Jose, CA

#4 Nov 19, 2009
Dorma Baker and the administrators sitting comfortably in THE TOWERS are not negotiating in good faith. While teachers have not had a cost-of-living raise in FIVE years, these administrators have seen raises. In fact, they received approximately a 30% one just last year. Can you imagine what a slap in the face it was to those of us who are in the trenches, teaching our future adults, hearing about this?

Administration wants teachers to consider taking a 10% cut in pay, as well as a cut in health benefits. However, it is unwillingly to take the same. Those in admin are such hypocrites. It doesn't feel good knowing that our 'Tower Administrators' really doesn't give a hoot about those of us who teach - and do the 'real' work.

Dorma, we do not respect you. Your car, your benefits, AND your exhorbitant salary make us sick. Thank goodness we love what we door we would quit. You know this, which is why you and your croonies continue to think that we won't strike.

Be careful!
it takes a village

Aptos, CA

#6 Nov 19, 2009
I wish someone could explain why PVUSD, which receives more per-student funding than any other district in the county, is in such dire financial straits? And, it also is the only district in the county that has a chance of accessing any of the federal Race to the Top funding, because of the # of students in low performing schools. This situation just doesn't make sense. Could someone who deals with the financing explain where the $$$ goes? It can't possible be just the union issues, as every district has those.
to the teachers of pvusd

United States

#7 Nov 19, 2009
stop crying like a bunch of babies and STRIKE already!!!!
what are you waiting for? sheeeeeeeeeeeesh!
nick

Santa Cruz, CA

#10 Nov 19, 2009
any thoughts on stopping the early retirement scam?
nick

Santa Cruz, CA

#11 Nov 19, 2009
PVUSD Teacher wrote:
Dorma Baker and the administrators sitting comfortably in THE TOWERS are not negotiating in good faith. While teachers have not had a cost-of-living raise in FIVE years, these administrators have seen raises. In fact, they received approximately a 30% one just last year. Can you imagine what a slap in the face it was to those of us who are in the trenches, teaching our future adults, hearing about this?
Administration wants teachers to consider taking a 10% cut in pay, as well as a cut in health benefits. However, it is unwillingly to take the same. Those in admin are such hypocrites. It doesn't feel good knowing that our 'Tower Administrators' really doesn't give a hoot about those of us who teach - and do the 'real' work.
Dorma, we do not respect you. Your car, your benefits, AND your exhorbitant salary make us sick. Thank goodness we love what we door we would quit. You know this, which is why you and your croonies continue to think that we won't strike.
Be careful!
they get free cars?????????? retirement age??????? luxury health care??????????

total BS .... WHEN WILL THE SHEEP WAKE UP?
Art

Santa Cruz, CA

#13 Nov 19, 2009
Santa Cruz Local wrote:
I have no pity for the mexican illegals and non ENGLISH speaking students. Go home already.
Take pity on yourself, you are woefully uninformed. How many "non ENGLISH" speaking students are there anyway? Just make up a number...
Ray

Santa Cruz, CA

#14 Nov 19, 2009
Local Yokel wrote:
It is either furloughs and a shorter school year or even more people in the district getting pink-slipped. I've gotten one the last two years and am not planning on being around to get another one this coming June. PVUSD is in a very, very bad place right now and, until the economy improves, it is stuck there.
Its only partly the economy, its mostly mismanagement by the current and former superintendent and board. They are not qualified for these positions, what are their credentials - beyond the good old boy network?
hambone

Ben Lomond, CA

#15 Nov 19, 2009
STOP WORKING ILLEGALS wrote:
IM GLAD , hOW MANY ILLEGAL CHILDREN CAN WE EDUCATE WHEN WE DONT EVEN HAVE THE MONEY TO EDUCATE THE LEGAL ONES. I know a guy who went to mexico last weekend and took his kids from his looser wife and brought them to watsonville and enrolled them in Pajaro schools. This si what is wrong folks, schools desperate for money dont check the elast bit about documentation. It has to stop and is going to stop with the help of kind Americans that will make the call to ICE at 1 866 dhs 2 ice or web site at www.ice.gov/ and report illegals, report gangsters homes, report homes with 5 families living in the garage. Im a contractor and i report all i see when i work in their homes after i take their money of course. sign on to this as well www.taxpayerrevolution.org We need to take care of America first and our children. report those who work them in their yards, pick them up at home depots. I know a teacher at Pajaro, first year teach she is so sad as she has so few english speaking students they have not a clue, its not right.It takes away from the english speaking students. Their parents are in a rage with nothing to do but withdraw their kids to a more englisg based school. Hows that for America sad sad sad.
I'm curious... what country did you go to school in? What is your native language? I can't help but notice that you have a great deal of trouble with your writing and self-expression in English. Perhaps you aren't a native speaker after all? Maybe we should call the INS on you. I do hope you have documentation or at least a green card.
reality bites

Fremont, CA

#16 Nov 19, 2009
Administration should lead by example and take heftier cuts. Maybe if they got rid of their car allowances, optional workdays and reduced their salaries schools wouldn't have to shut down early.
Yesterday at a board meeting administration only offered to take as many furlough days as teachers and Dorma responded that she would be willing to give administrators optional workdays so that they could come in work and get paid for work they were unable to complete. How about teachers who are possibly taking furloughs and yet for years have been subsidizing their jobs by providing paper, crayons, tape, scissors, food and other things to the children in their classes. How about some recognition for what happens in the classrooms as well as all of the work teachers put in after their work hours?
People are critical of summer breaks but they do not consider all of the unpaid hours that teachers put in. As a family member and friend of teachers I see the extra hours and hear about all of the extra time they put in. When you see people at the beginning of the year with notebooks and crayons in their shopping carts it is the teacher not the administration purchasing it and most times do not see the money back.
California Girl

Santa Cruz, CA

#17 Nov 19, 2009
STOP WORKING ILLEGALS wrote:
IM GLAD , hOW MANY ILLEGAL CHILDREN CAN WE EDUCATE WHEN WE DONT EVEN HAVE THE MONEY TO EDUCATE THE LEGAL ONES. I know a guy who went to mexico last weekend and took his kids from his looser wife and brought them to watsonville and enrolled them in Pajaro schools. This si what is wrong folks, schools desperate for money dont check the elast bit about documentation. It has to stop and is going to stop with the help of kind Americans that will make the call to ICE at 1 866 dhs 2 ice or web site at www.ice.gov/ and report illegals, report gangsters homes, report homes with 5 families living in the garage. Im a contractor and i report all i see when i work in their homes after i take their money of course. sign on to this as well www.taxpayerrevolution.org We need to take care of America first and our children. report those who work them in their yards, pick them up at home depots. I know a teacher at Pajaro, first year teach she is so sad as she has so few english speaking students they have not a clue, its not right.It takes away from the english speaking students. Their parents are in a rage with nothing to do but withdraw their kids to a more englisg based school. Hows that for America sad sad sad.
Wow! I thought this was satire because of all of the grammatical and spelling errors but I guess it is serious. If you want to start educating non-English speakers then please start with yourself.

A start: use "it's" for "it is"
Out of there

Santa Cruz, CA

#18 Nov 19, 2009
PVUSD was a terrible place to teach. I feel for my colleagues stuck in such an untenable position. Admin is scandalously overpaid and the teachers are the ones taking the financial hit? For shame.
Marijke Haranoi

Watsonville, CA

#19 Nov 20, 2009
hambone wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm curious... what country did you go to school in? What is your native language? I can't help but notice that you have a great deal of trouble with your writing and self-expression in English. Perhaps you aren't a native speaker after all? Maybe we should call the INS on you. I do hope you have documentation or at least a green card.
Thank you for saying this Hambone! It is clear that the guy is 1) a hypocrite, 2) semi-illiterate, 3)unaware of the major boost to the economy that undocumented workers provide.

My favorite line was "his looser wife". Did he have a non-loose wife?
Mary

Santa Cruz, CA

#20 Nov 20, 2009
Are they planning to cut testing as well? Perhaps more time in the classroom where the teachers can focus on teaching and not worrying about testing requirements would be a good temporary fix.
I am sorry

Atherton, CA

#21 Nov 20, 2009
PVUSD Teacher wrote:
Dorma Baker and the administrators sitting comfortably in THE TOWERS are not negotiating in good faith. While teachers have not had a cost-of-living raise in FIVE years, these administrators have seen raises. In fact, they received approximately a 30% one just last year. Can you imagine what a slap in the face it was to those of us who are in the trenches, teaching our future adults, hearing about this?
Administration wants teachers to consider taking a 10% cut in pay, as well as a cut in health benefits. However, it is unwillingly to take the same. Those in admin are such hypocrites. It doesn't feel good knowing that our 'Tower Administrators' really doesn't give a hoot about those of us who teach - and do the 'real' work.
Dorma, we do not respect you. Your car, your benefits, AND your exhorbitant salary make us sick. Thank goodness we love what we door we would quit. You know this, which is why you and your croonies continue to think that we won't strike.
Be careful!
Hey PV teacher: If Baker quit and you could take her job, I can guarantee that you would jump at the chance, and would complain that the same benefits she was getting were not enough for you.

Of course the admins have seen raises, just like our "elected officials" at the state and federal system take raises while cutting/screwing the rest of us. What do you expect to happen?

I'm curious if you cry this much when paying your Union dues, and the Union admins are taking huge salaries while you teachers are "getting screwed?" It is undeniable that the Union bureaucracy is just as bad, if not worse, than the government you are howling about.

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Now, let's talk about these teacher salaries you feel are too low. Could you document what a new teacher, straight out of college, makes? Somewhere between $30,000 and $45,000 per year plus full benefits, correct? Without an advanced degree (Master's or higher) or professional certification, what does that number climb to in years three or four out of college? Getting closer to $60,000 plus benefits, yes? Oh, and isn't this about the same time that a teacher would become tenured? Now, let's switch to years three or four with an advanced degree: now we're looking at $70,000 to $85,000 per year plus benefits. Not bad!

So, the typical scenario would be: finish a four-year degree in education, and we'll choose elementary education, as you do not have to specialize in a subject area like secondary (high school). Take a fifth-year of classes and receive your Master's degree (you read that right folks, only one extra year for a teacher to get a Master's degree). Now, join the work force, keep your nose clean for at least four years, pretending to be a good teacher. Now you are tenured, and short of murdering or raping someone, there's little you can be fired for (definitely not for being a bad teacher).

After being tenured, you are now making $80,000+ per year with medical, dental, vision, retirement. Paid sick leave. Your vacation time runs about four months of a calendar year (including summer, Thanksgiving (one week), Christmas (at least two weeks), and Spring Break (at least one week)).

Moving on to tax breaks: government housing (loan) assistance, returns on professional libraries (magazines and books), returns on professional development (continuing education, seminars, workshops, etc.), purchasing supplies for your classroom. And those are just the ones I know about.

Oh, if you wish to pursue either a different advanced degree (administration, curriculum and instruction, doctorate), or specialize (special education, speech therapy, early childhood) who pays for that? Not you. And how much extra does your salary go up to now?

Yeah, I thought so. Sucks when someone who knows the "system" actually shares it with the general public.
I am sorry

Atherton, CA

#22 Nov 20, 2009
Hey PV teacher: If Baker quit and you could take her job, I can guarantee that you would jump at the chance, and would complain that the same benefits she was getting were not enough for you.

Of course the admins have seen raises, just like our "elected officials" at the state and federal system take raises while cutting/screwing the rest of us. What do you expect to happen?

I'm curious if you cry this much when paying your Union dues, and the Union admins are taking huge salaries while you teachers are "getting screwed?" It is undeniable that the Union bureaucracy is just as bad, if not worse, than the government you are howling about.

---

Now, let's talk about these teacher salaries you feel are too low. Could you document what a new teacher, straight out of college, makes? Somewhere between $30,000 and $45,000 per year plus full benefits, correct? Without an advanced degree (Master's or higher) or professional certification, what does that number climb to in years three or four out of college? Getting closer to $60,000 plus benefits, yes? Oh, and isn't this about the same time that a teacher would become tenured? Now, let's switch to years three or four with an advanced degree: now we're looking at $70,000 to $85,000 per year plus benefits. Not bad!

So, the typical scenario would be: finish a four-year degree in education, and we'll choose elementary education, as you do not have to specialize in a subject area like secondary (high school). Take a fifth-year of classes and receive your Master's degree (you read that right folks, only one extra year for a teacher to get a Master's degree). Now, join the work force, keep your nose clean for at least four years, pretending to be a good teacher. Now you are tenured, and short of murdering or raping someone, there's little you can be fired for (definitely not for being a bad teacher).

After being tenured, you are now making $80,000+ per year with medical, dental, vision, retirement. Paid sick leave. Your vacation time runs about four months of a calendar year (including summer, Thanksgiving (one week), Christmas (at least two weeks), and Spring Break (at least one week)).

Moving on to tax breaks: government housing (loan) assistance, returns on professional libraries (magazines and books), returns on professional development (continuing education, seminars, workshops, etc.), purchasing supplies for your classroom. And those are just the ones I know about.

Oh, if you wish to pursue either a different advanced degree (administration, curriculum and instruction, doctorate), or specialize (special education, speech therapy, early childhood) who pays for that? Not you. And how much extra does your salary go up to now?

Yeah, I thought so. Sucks when someone who knows the "system" actually shares it with the general public.
hambone

Ben Lomond, CA

#23 Nov 20, 2009
I am sorry wrote:
Hey PV teacher: If Baker quit and you could take her job, I can guarantee that you would jump at the chance, and would complain that the same benefits she was getting were not enough for you.
Of course the admins have seen raises, just like our "elected officials" at the state and federal system take raises while cutting/screwing the rest of us. What do you expect to happen?
I'm curious if you cry this much when paying your Union dues, and the Union admins are taking huge salaries while you teachers are "getting screwed?" It is undeniable that the Union bureaucracy is just as bad, if not worse, than the government you are howling about.
---
Now, let's talk about these teacher salaries you feel are too low. Could you document what a new teacher, straight out of college, makes? Somewhere between $30,000 and $45,000 per year plus full benefits, correct? Without an advanced degree (Master's or higher) or professional certification, what does that number climb to in years three or four out of college? Getting closer to $60,000 plus benefits, yes? Oh, and isn't this about the same time that a teacher would become tenured? Now, let's switch to years three or four with an advanced degree: now we're looking at $70,000 to $85,000 per year plus benefits. Not bad!
So, the typical scenario would be: finish a four-year degree in education, and we'll choose elementary education, as you do not have to specialize in a subject area like secondary (high school). Take a fifth-year of classes and receive your Master's degree (you read that right folks, only one extra year for a teacher to get a Master's degree). Now, join the work force, keep your nose clean for at least four years, pretending to be a good teacher. Now you are tenured, and short of murdering or raping someone, there's little you can be fired for (definitely not for being a bad teacher).
After being tenured, you are now making $80,000+ per year with medical, dental, vision, retirement. Paid sick leave. Your vacation time runs about four months of a calendar year (including summer, Thanksgiving (one week), Christmas (at least two weeks), and Spring Break (at least one week)).
Moving on to tax breaks: government housing (loan) assistance, returns on professional libraries (magazines and books), returns on professional development (continuing education, seminars, workshops, etc.), purchasing supplies for your classroom. And those are just the ones I know about.
Oh, if you wish to pursue either a different advanced degree (administration, curriculum and instruction, doctorate), or specialize (special education, speech therapy, early childhood) who pays for that? Not you. And how much extra does your salary go up to now?
Yeah, I thought so.**** when someone who knows the "system" actually shares it with the general public.
You are out of your mind. Teachers get in the mid-low 60k's after 25 years and an extra 1k a year for a masters. They work a contract of 180+ days. There are no vacations, as zero days outside the contract are paid. Call it unemployment without benefits. All the rest of the c.rap you post is just that... c.rap. You can subscribe to a magazine and get 20 percent off the cost of the subscription on your tax bill? Wahoo. You can do that if you are a plumber and subscribe to Magnificent Drain Traps of the 20th Century. If insanity is contagious I fear for those you are in contact with.
I am sorry

Atherton, CA

#24 Nov 20, 2009
hambone wrote:
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You are out of your mind. Teachers get in the mid-low 60k's after 25 years and an extra 1k a year for a masters. They work a contract of 180+ days. There are no vacations, as zero days outside the contract are paid. Call it unemployment without benefits. All the rest of the c.rap you post is just that... c.rap. You can subscribe to a magazine and get 20 percent off the cost of the subscription on your tax bill? Wahoo. You can do that if you are a plumber and subscribe to Magnificent Drain Traps of the 20th Century. If insanity is contagious I fear for those you are in contact with.
but with 15 years in education, and all of this well documented and easily accessible online, you have little to dispute.

PV district salaries for 2007-2008
http://www.ed-data.k12.ca.us/fiscal/TeacherSa...

Let's say you're right.$60,000+ for working 180 days out of a normal 260 day year? Wow, that is pretty sweet. Now I never said anything about that vacation time being paid, did I?

Funny how you label everything as "c.rap," but you can only pull out a salary dispute (which is wrong) and only a part of a tax break. If what I posted was truly that bad, you'd have a lot more to say.

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