Who is the homeless guy who is seen in the area near Murdell/Stanley?

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Curious

Oakland, CA

#1 Dec 10, 2009
Wondering if anyone knows the story on the tall thin, long gray haired homeless man seen walking around in this area and near Mocho Park? He's got to be freezing. Feel sorry for him and wondering what his story is.
Helper

Livermore, CA

#2 Dec 10, 2009
I am not sure what his story is but I am collecting blankets, coats, food (I can cook and give it to them hot), for the homeless in the area. If you are interested please email me at siobhan.tyler@yahoo.com. I already have some jackets and blankets to give them, and have some monetary donations coming where i will buy them hot food and give it to them on a nightly basis until the money runs out. They could use some hand warmers, old sleeping bags, beanies. Anything like that. If you want, you can even drop the stuff off to them yourself, but I know some people are a little weary when it comes to homeless people.
qwerty

San Jose, CA

#3 Dec 10, 2009
If you feed them they will come.
Anon

Dublin, CA

#4 Dec 10, 2009
I feel sorry for them too, but I can't give them any money. Today I was panhandled at the Post Office. I felt like saying "You picked a shitty time to ask for money, on the day the government is robbing every homeowner in town of thousands of dollars"

(property taxes due, PO was packed with people mailing in their extortion racket payments).

Life in this society is getting more and more like swimming in the ocean with a cut on your leg...all the predators smell the blood in the water and want to take a nibble.
Anon

Dublin, CA

#5 Dec 10, 2009
The homeless people are by far the least offensive of those clamoring for money, too. Thats the sad part. I'd rather give 6K to some homeless guy and turn his life around than see it vanish into the coffers of Donald R White, Tax Collector, Alameda County, to be fought over and redistributed in nonsensical chunks to fat, lazy, overpaid paper pushers and government lackeys.

Just reading a tax bill in this place is infuriating. All these ramoras that have latched onto it.
gman

Dublin, CA

#6 Dec 11, 2009
It's unfortunate but most of the homeless in Livermore are alcoholics or drug abusers. Give them food, clothes or help them wit shelter but don't give money they just spend it on what got them here in the first place.
Helper

United States

#7 Dec 11, 2009
Exactly Gman. I have no intention of giving them money. If anyone wishes to give money then it will be used to buy them food or other things to keep them warm. they will never be handed money. I want to help them get warm with blankets and food, not a bottle of Jack. But more importantly than monetary donations is sleeping bags, gloves, beanies, umbrellas, tarps. They really need these things.
Gem

San Jose, CA

#8 Dec 11, 2009
Anon wrote:
The homeless people are by far the least offensive of those clamoring for money, too. Thats the sad part. I'd rather give 6K to some homeless guy and turn his life around than see it vanish into the coffers of Donald R White, Tax Collector, Alameda County, to be fought over and redistributed in nonsensical chunks to fat, lazy, overpaid paper pushers and government lackeys.
Just reading a tax bill in this place is infuriating. All these ramoras that have latched onto it.
thanks to prop 13 the old people in this state have NEVER PAID THEIR SHARE OF TAXES
Gem

San Jose, CA

#9 Dec 11, 2009
Helper wrote:
Exactly Gman. I have no intention of giving them money. If anyone wishes to give money then it will be used to buy them food or other things to keep them warm. they will never be handed money. I want to help them get warm with blankets and food, not a bottle of Jack. But more importantly than monetary donations is sleeping bags, gloves, beanies, umbrellas, tarps. They really need these things.
yeah, you try to survive in this cold with just blankets, jackets in this cold, see if you last one lousy night!
Helper

United States

#10 Dec 11, 2009
Gem wrote:
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yeah, you try to survive in this cold with just blankets, jackets in this cold, see if you last one lousy night!
Unfortunately, unless you want a complete stranger in your home, there isn't much that we can do. My friends mom takes them hot coffee every morning and evening and they really appreciate it. I just wish there was a shelter that they could go to. apparently there is for the women but not the men. that is what I have heard, not sure if that is true or not.
Anon

Dublin, CA

#11 Dec 11, 2009
Gem wrote:
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thanks to prop 13 the old people in this state have NEVER PAID THEIR SHARE OF TAXES
I hear a lot of people make that comment. But the question they never seem to have asked themselves, is "what is a fair share anyway?". Is it the same as your neighbor? What if your neighbor isn't paying enough, or is paying too much? So that doesn't work. Is a fair share the one that defrays the costs of your residency and citizenship, on a per capita basis? I would argue that is the very textbook definition of a fair share, a fair share being an equal share.

You might say its a semantic argument, but because tax inequities are the one unforeseen side effect of Prop 13, its a very good argument. You must admit that the intentions of Prop 13 were excellent - protecting citizens against runaway tax inflation.

The real failing of our tax system is not so much with Prop 13 itself as with the flawed assessment method, ad valorem, which uses a capricious and arbitrary formula to set taxes. Why should the purchase price of a home forever dictate its tax? What if one person got a great deal and another overpaid? Shouldn't penalize people for their good fortune, lack of good fortune and/or business savvy. Everyone is just trying to put a roof over their heads.

Despite Prop 13's effects, per capita tax collections in this state have increased far beyond the effects of inflation AND population together. So you can't blame Prop 13 for any shortages. Taxes have increased significantly since 1978.

Rather, the reform that is needed is what is called a fair tax, in which the actual costs of services are apportioned equally across all similarly situated parcels. So that all SFR's have the same tax rate, and all MFR's are broken down and taxed per unit as SFRs, with adjustments for maximum occupancy, for example. One thing that could be done to ensure fairness is to tie taxation to baseline occupancy. For example, you could estimate that a SFR has a baseline tax rate for occupancy by up to 4 persons.

As Ive mentioned before, government could limit its beneficence or regulatory authority in ways that encourage people to adopt more socially responsive behaviors. For example, to help address the population crisis, and restore fairness to the idea of public services and mandatory participation in "the social contract", you could use the power of government to help people behave better, and when they do not, to ensure they don't financially burden others with their misbehavior. Example, you could have a fairness system in which the state provides educational services for a maximum of two children...any additional children would need to be paid in at a level that defrays the actual per capita cost of that education.

This helps to insure that some folks aren't milking the system with their 8 kids, which are subsidized on the backs of more responsible families that have the replacement value of only two kids, or less. Replacement value procreation is a socially desirable trend: it keeps the population stable while ensuring gradual reduction.

If the global warming crooks were sincere in their convictions that man is the cause of global temperature variations, they would have to adopt a firm policy to reduce population, since it is the consumption and manufacture of products and energy services, including transportation, that is blamed for carbon emissions. These activities are in mostly direct proportion to population.
Person

San Ramon, CA

#12 Dec 12, 2009
If we opened up all the churches (who don't pay taxes) and let the homeless sleep in them (as long as they cleaned up after themselves) it would save a lot of people.
Anon

Dublin, CA

#13 Dec 12, 2009
Or the churches could start paying taxes like any other business does. LOL.

Taxes are evil, but the evil is compounded by all this "special treatment" crap.

Maybe if the pain were spread equally there would actually be a widespread resistance to taxation and something could be accomplished.
We help many

San Francisco, CA

#14 Dec 16, 2009
Our church (and all others) do not pay "property tax" but do pay all the hefty fees which are added to the property tax bills that all homeowners pay.
We also give food to the hungry and toys and clothes to needy families who cannot provide presents for their children at Christmas. Our phones are busy all year long with calls from people looking for help and we try to help as many as possible.
Our buildings are used all during the week by many members of the community.
We are not like a business with an income, our own bills are paid by donations.
mike

San Francisco, CA

#15 Dec 16, 2009
Helper wrote:
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Unfortunately, unless you want a complete stranger in your home, there isn't much that we can do. My friends mom takes them hot coffee every morning and evening and they really appreciate it. I just wish there was a shelter that they could go to. apparently there is for the women but not the men. that is what I have heard, not sure if that is true or not.
We do have a shelter for men. But this guy for some reason does not want to go there. Its called JAIL. Just have him go throw rocks at the fire station Better yet just tell him to go bang on all the doors on the firehouse. Even better yet have all the livermore firefighter give the guy 15 minutes of there pay. Then he can move to Ruby Hill
Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Livermore

#16 Dec 17, 2009
I stopped off at the fountain...a common "shelter" for the homeless, to drop off some blankets. I was hit by a major urine smell and almost stepped in human feces. This really made me sick to my stomach. If nothing else if the town is to be used as a toilet dig a hole and poop in that and cover it up. I understand they don't have a bathroom because they don't have a home and that a gas station won't let them use their bathroom either, but to almost walk in poop by the public fountain that's just gross. Go in a bush and cover it up...just like camping where there are no toilets. I will still donate but find another way to do it.
Livermore Person

United States

#17 Dec 17, 2009
blessed4 wrote:
I stopped off at the fountain...a common "shelter" for the homeless, to drop off some blankets. I was hit by a major urine smell and almost stepped in human feces. This really made me sick to my stomach. If nothing else if the town is to be used as a toilet dig a hole and poop in that and cover it up. I understand they don't have a bathroom because they don't have a home and that a gas station won't let them use their bathroom either, but to almost walk in poop by the public fountain that's just gross. Go in a bush and cover it up...just like camping where there are no toilets. I will still donate but find another way to do it.
That is nice of you to donate, but you cannot help someone who does not want to be helped. Crap on the sidewalk is not helping yourself or anyone. Round them up and drop them off in the middle of Nevada. Let the strong survive and return to claim their fountain and feces. Compassion for those who need and want help is one thing, but helping those who did it to themselves and choose to live the way are living do not deserve compasssion, shelter or an extra blanket.
Anon

Dublin, CA

#18 Dec 17, 2009
We help many wrote:
Our church (and all others) do not pay "property tax" but do pay all the hefty fees which are added to the property tax bills that all homeowners pay.
We also give food to the hungry and toys and clothes to needy families who cannot provide presents for their children at Christmas. Our phones are busy all year long with calls from people looking for help and we try to help as many as possible.
Our buildings are used all during the week by many members of the community.
We are not like a business with an income, our own bills are paid by donations.
Hey, I know churches do all that stuff. The point is that land and buildings are taxed. All should be taxed. They all enjoy fire protection, and other emergency services that can be sent to that address, do they not? They all have the benefit of the many special assessments levied on the property tax bill, like Landscape and Lighting, Mosquito Abatement. What, mosquitoes don't enter the house of God?

As for income, and it being in the form of donations, big deal. Surely some people who own homes have no income, like those who are unemployed, or retired - maybe the only income they have is from the beneficence of others. Besides, you'd tax a guy with a trust fund, right? Or someone who won the lottery? What difference does it make what the source of the funds are? Normal citizens can't get exemptions just because they have unusual income.
adele

Oakland, CA

#19 Dec 17, 2009
I think the ones who poop where they shelter are so messed up physically and psychologically they may not know what they are doing. To me, this makes their situation so much sadder and hopeless.
momof4

San Francisco, CA

#20 Dec 18, 2009
Anyone see the homeless girl pushing a shopping cart with her blankets around Murrieta and E.Jacklondon area. I feel so bad, I wish i could have gave her some money or something. This is sad. I know times are tough for some us.

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