anyone heard the rumor that PW Market on Vasco is closing?

[anon]

The rumor is, PW will close and a "Food Max" will go in. I really hope not, PW is a great store, and Food Max, in my mind, is a low end kind of place that will attract a bad element. Kind of like you wouldn't want a dollar store in your neighborhood. PW does have somewhat high prices, but to go to the other extreme and bring in a food discounter, strikes me as a terrible idea, and real blow to the character of the community. Something like that belongs elsewhere.

Its probably a bit too much space in the current config, but why not another Trader Joes in the same space? They are cheaper than PW, and they could subdivide the building and put more retail in there.

[pg_know it]

I have noticed that the Livermore PW store is no longer printed on the back of their ad :(

[sow]

i hate pw bye bye

[getreal]

anon wrote:

The rumor is, PW will close and a "Food Max" will go in. I really hope not, PW is a great store, and Food Max, in my mind, is a low end kind of place that will attract a bad element. Kind of like you wouldn't want a dollar store in your neighborhood. PW does have somewhat high prices, but to go to the other extreme and bring in a food discounter, strikes me as a terrible idea, and real blow to the character of the community. Something like that belongs elsewhere.
Its probably a bit too much space in the current config, but why not another Trader Joes in the same space? They are cheaper than PW, and they could subdivide the building and put more retail in there.

this type of comment just cracks me up!!
Where do you people think you live?? Off Vasco Rd. that is not Ruby Hills hahaa.

Oh my, a dollar store in our neighborhood? It probably will attract people just like you looking to save a buck, especially in this economy. Trader Joes is o.k. but not a dollar store haha there goes the neighborhood.

[pg_know it]

getreal wrote:

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this type of comment just cracks me up!!
Where do you people think you live?? Off Vasco Rd. that is not Ruby Hills hahaa.
Oh my, a dollar store in our neighborhood? It probably will attract people just like you looking to save a buck, especially in this economy. Trader Joes is o.k. but not a dollar store haha there goes the neighborhood.

Just so I get your point, if we lived in Ruby Hills we'd be allowed to comment on what stores we'd like to have in our neighborhood???
I think your probably the element we'd be better off not attracting...hahaa

[getreal]

That is right pg I would never want to live near you or even know you. I bet you have a hard time getting along with most people. you seem so uptight.

[anon]

So, just because there is a blip in the economy, its appropriate to inundate an area with low end blight-type businesses, so people can save a buck for a year or two?

Permanently change the caliber and scope of the services. North Livermore doesn't need any more ghetto type businesses, okay? Look at "the element" that already exists. There's that smoke shop, a tattoo parlor (that got run out of downtown), a bunch of fast food, and now the additional blight offered by an upcoming car dealership. This is the kind of thing appropriate for a commercial/industrial district, not a residential area.

what's next, a coin operated laundromat? a gun shop?

Yah, its not Ruby Hills, but it is a fairly typical suburban neighborhood with typically middle class residents. Its not some blighted ghetto - the low-income housing barrio apartments of Springtown notwithstanding. In any case, we don't need a Food Maxx. When people are so poor they're walking to the store and stealing shopping carts to get their purchases home, THEN we need a Food Max, but not until.

People still have cable tv, cell phones, cars, gym memberships. I think when you've discarded your amenities of middle class prosperity , then you need a discount food store to spend your food stamps at, and a thrift shop, and maybe a pawn shop.

Is that what city planners foresee for the future of this city? A bunch of destitute people?

Maybe we shouldn't be paying our property taxes if we're all so impoverished we have to buy day old bread and substandard food products.

[anon]

So you want bottom-feeding businesses in YOUR neighborhood? fine, you can have them. Where do you live, so we can advise the city planning and development department that you'd like a local option for buying a wider array of cheap overpriced toxic crap from China. And that while you're at it, you think maybe it would be a good idea to turn your neighbor's foreclosure into a halfway house.

getreal wrote:

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this type of comment just cracks me up!!
Where do you people think you live?? Off Vasco Rd. that is not Ruby Hills hahaa.
Oh my, a dollar store in our neighborhood? It probably will attract people just like you looking to save a buck, especially in this economy. Trader Joes is o.k. but not a dollar store haha there goes the neighborhood.

[Nance]

getreal lives in a neighborhood where people park backwards, leave their trash bins on the street all week, and nobody has landscaping.

so come one, ghetto is what she wants. give her a break.

[qwerty]

Anon,
I agree with you 100% but I'm afraid you won't get a lot of support on this forum. Anything slightly upscale seems to bend their noses out of joint.

When the topic of the regional theater came up the general response was was "we already have a theater" or "it's too expensive" or just plain "I don't like theater" with the implied "no else should have it either". You have to hand it to them though, they didn't let any bothersome facts get in the way of their precious opinions.

Back to the topic: I would love to see Dreager's or Whole Foods here. It's not likely to happen though, I can't believe we even got just a Trader Joe's.

[helloooo]

PW is ovverrated.. the only thing i will miss is my Wells Fargo friends & the chinese take out.

[qwerty]

The bakery is OK and it's still better than any bargain basement grocer.

[anon]

I don't understand though. I would like to find out if the rumor is true. If PW is closing, why? Is that store losing money? Is the LL trying to raise the rents (can't imagine, in this economy, but you never know)?

If anything, a budget store will make it even harder, financially, for the shopping center's owner to do well. "Race to the bottom" doesn't work in any business, let alone in commercial real estate.

PW isn't at all "snobby" or "high end", like a Draegers or a Whole Foods is, which are both really overpriced - and both only found in relatively "exclusive" areas. I do think PW has a hard time competing with both Safeway, which is no real bargain, and TJ's on prices, but they do well on service, and the bakery and deli are pretty great. Also, its the only grocery store in North Livermore. How can an entire large area not offer a full service grocery store to residents? I'd like to see them stay on.

[qwerty]

PW is closing in Gilroy. Maybe that's the basis of the rumor?

http://www.gilroydispatch.com/business/105997...

[m in Livermore]

i hope so, they are way too expensive....

anon wrote:

The rumor is, PW will close and a "Food Max" will go in. I really hope not, PW is a great store, and Food Max, in my mind, is a low end kind of place that will attract a bad element. Kind of like you wouldn't want a dollar store in your neighborhood. PW does have somewhat high prices, but to go to the other extreme and bring in a food discounter, strikes me as a terrible idea, and real blow to the character of the community. Something like that belongs elsewhere.
Its probably a bit too much space in the current config, but why not another Trader Joes in the same space? They are cheaper than PW, and they could subdivide the building and put more retail in there.

[DB Livermore]

That PW is never busy. i would not be suprised if it is closing. The Safeway just up the freeway on 1st is always 10000 times more crowded, and nicer IMO.

[Liv1]

Just heard PW on Vasco is closing the end of October, 2009.

[81 Hater]

getreal wrote:

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this type of comment just cracks me up!!
Where do you people think you live?? Off Vasco Rd. that is not Ruby Hills hahaa.
Oh my, a dollar store in our neighborhood? It probably will attract people just like you looking to save a buck, especially in this economy. Trader Joes is o.k. but not a dollar store haha there goes the neighborhood.

I like you..always have.

[81 Hater]

Nance wrote:

getreal lives in a neighborhood where people park backwards, leave their trash bins on the street all week, and nobody has landscaping.
so come one, ghetto is what she wants. give her a break.

what makes you say that Nancy, cause she is realistic. Listen to yourself... I want so and so market, cause that market is ghetto, and I don't want to shop with people who might be less well off, not as good looking, and might have some color to their skin. You all will never admit it, but thats exactly what your saying... uptight rich folk... To bad they can't make Danville an island, you could move your uptight butts there and leave the draw bridge up.

[81 Hater Hater]

too bad they have the 2nd best meat market in town. 2nd only to kellys. and kellys wont be around to much longer.