Adoption Advantage

[FYI]

if anyone has worked with Donna Gail please contact the authorities and tell them what you know. I just noticed something interesting while looking over past posts. Post #375 written by "i know stuff" states that there is nothing THERE. The way it was written with there being all caps makes me think that this person knows what happened to the money and that it could be traced. Just a thought.

[Amanda]

Demetria Cannon wrote:

I placed a child with AA three years ago and only found out in August that they were no longer operational.The reason this is so distressing to me is because the adoptive family and I have an open adoption.Although case managers at AA acted as the middle men I was able to recieve pictures and talk with the adoptive family whenever I wanted to.If anyone can help me please sent me an e-mail at [e-mail] my daughter Arianna's adoptive parents Amanda and Dale happen to see this post please send me an email.I'm not trying to cause any problems I just want pictures of her.

Demetria, this is Amanda. I have been watching this thread hoping to be able to get in touch with you. I am e-mailing you NOW!

[Christina]

I'm a birthmother who also had an open adoption with the adoptive parents of my son. I use to recieve pictures all the time. That was my way of knowing my son was doing alright and was safe. I've had many people tell me that they can help me get pictures again but they have all lied to me. This is very difficult. My son will be 7 this Jan. I use to get pictures of all his bdays. This time I didnt get bday pictures for last year and I haven't had any pictures for a good year and a half. can somebody please help me? If you really can help me get pictures of my son or give me any kind of info, my email address is [e-mail] or [e-mail]. Thank You!

[Valentine Baby girl]

Hello, My husband and I adopted threw AA in Feb,07. We adopted a beautiful baby girl. She has been such a blessing to our family. I was sending pictures to the birth mother and now Im not sure where to send them too??? I talk to someone about a year or so ago and was told they would contact me back and never did?? I was wondering if anyone new anything? I would love to send pictures to the birth mother. So if your baby was born on February 14th of 07 and was a tiny baby girl. Please post something so I can send some pictures. She is doing really GREAT and is such a Princess, and we love her so much!!! Thank you :)

[Love]

Hello everyone out there. It deeply hurts to read so many of these sad postings. I do pray that you all will find peace with what you have gone through with the Webbs. Trust me it is not worth the heartache, energy, and time. They will always be the same. If going through all of this hasn't changed them, then I'm afraid nothing will.

I know most of you have lost a lot of money by going through AAI and I would be VERY upset with that as well.

Moving forward, I would like to offer you all an opportunity to bring a loving, caring child into your home that so longs for a family.

I just viewed a wonderful commercial talking about children in Arkansas that are waiting for your love, and a place that they can call home.

I'm sure a lot of you that tried to go through AAI were hoping for a new born baby, but please remember that there are older children that are longing for parents to call them their own.

For anyone interested, please visit the below website for details on Today's THV "A Place to Call Home":

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/adoption/defaul...

I wish you all the best.

And please remember one more thing. God does not expect you to be happy about this situation, but he does expect you to fully forgive Ed and Donna Gail. I know you are probably thinking, "Are you kidding?? After what they have done??" YES! ABSOLUTELY! You have every right to be upset and have every right to let those feelings be known. But the sooner you forgive them both with your whole heart, the happier you all will be.

Much love to all of you on here. I will be praying for you all.

Please have a WONDERFUL Thanksgiving. Be thankful.

With love,
A Friend

[unhappy person]

Love wrote:

Hello everyone out there. It deeply hurts to read so many of these sad postings. I do pray that you all will find peace with what you have gone through with the Webbs. Trust me it is not worth the heartache, energy, and time. They will always be the same. If going through all of this hasn't changed them, then I'm afraid nothing will.
I know most of you have lost a lot of money by going through AAI and I would be VERY upset with that as well.
Moving forward, I would like to offer you all an opportunity to bring a loving, caring child into your home that so longs for a family.
I just viewed a wonderful commercial talking about children in Arkansas that are waiting for your love, and a place that they can call home.
I'm sure a lot of you that tried to go through AAI were hoping for a new born baby, but please remember that there are older children that are longing for parents to call them their own.
For anyone interested, please visit the below website for details on Today's THV "A Place to Call Home":
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/adoption/defaul...
I wish you all the best.
And please remember one more thing. God does not expect you to be happy about this situation, but he does expect you to fully forgive Ed and Donna Gail. I know you are probably thinking, "Are you kidding?? After what they have done??" YES! ABSOLUTELY! You have every right to be upset and have every right to let those feelings be known. But the sooner you forgive them both with your whole heart, the happier you all will be.
Much love to all of you on here. I will be praying for you all.
Please have a WONDERFUL Thanksgiving. Be thankful.
With love,
A Friend

There is no way in hell i will ever forgive them for what they have done to my family and many others.
as far as i go i think they are the lowest peices of scum on the earth and noone that does this should ever be forgivin because when everyone forgives then the problem goes away and can do it again. never forget and never forgive

[Love]

unhappy person wrote:

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There is no way in hell i will ever forgive them for what they have done to my family and many others.
as far as i go i think they are the lowest peices of scum on the earth and noone that does this should ever be forgivin because when everyone forgives then the problem goes away and can do it again. never forget and never forgive

And that is absolutely your choice.

In the end without forgiving them though, you will remain as you have named yourself...unhappy.

Forgiving them is NOT letting them off the hook. It's a healing process for yourself.

Trust me, God has big plans for the Webbs. You may not ever know what they are, but He will take care of them...I promise.

I write all of this not to upset anyone, but only to help as I hate to see people unhappy.

Just give this time and be patient.

You will be happy again.

Love,
A Friend

[FoxFire]

Love wrote:

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And that is absolutely your choice.
In the end without forgiving them though, you will remain as you have named yourself...unhappy.
Forgiving them is NOT letting them off the hook. It's a healing process for yourself.
Trust me, God has big plans for the Webbs. You may not ever know what they are, but He will take care of them...I promise.
I write all of this not to upset anyone, but only to help as I hate to see people unhappy.
Just give this time and be patient.
You will be happy again.
Love,
A Friend

then why don't you use your name?
the webbs are pigs

[Love]

FoxFire wrote:

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then why don't you use your name?
the webbs are pigs

What does my name have to do with anything I wrote???

And if you will READ my message, I never dismissed what they did. I know what they did was wrong. TRUST ME I KNOW!!!

The TRUE Christians saw positive truth in my message and know what I'm talking about.

You two are no better than the Webbs and shouldn't have been signed up with that agency in the first place as that agency was for Christians who love the Lord...something you and "UNHAPPY" apparently know nothing about.

Unlike the Webbs, the people that worked there at that agency were Christians and loved and cared for every single person that went through the agency. But of course there were always those who put on a great Christian face but their true side eventually shows. Like what you and "unhappy" are doing right now. Showing your true side.

Do everyone a favor and keep your negative attitudes off of this post!!

[Trevor Reid]

You may be eligible for financial compensation in exchange for certain information concerning Ed Webb. Please contact FJR Judgment Recovery for details. See http://www.fjr-recovery.com for points of contact.

Also, if you have been awarded a judgment against the Webbs arising from the Adoption Advantage matter or any other case please contact FJR Judgment Recovery without delay.

Thank you.

[Confused]

Love, your post is quite judgemental. People may be speaking out in pain and through difficulty, so there is no need to state that they are apparently not Christians. God is the only one that can judge the heart. I have lashed out in anger and/or pain. This may be the same thing. I have had terrible difficulties in forgiving others at times, and have even state that it would never happen, but time has healed those wounds and has made that change happen. Please let others grieve and deal with their pain as they can. Judgemental words are unnecessary.

I know that good can come from this situation, but those directly involved in the losses certainly have the right to be negative about it.

Even though we had a successful adoption, it was not without issue. We ended up paying our attorney even though it was included in our contract and fees paid to the agency. We had problems with getting our calls returned. Others I will not mention due to the fact that it might reveal our case to those that were there at the time.

All that said, It does make me nervous to think that those that worked for AA might end up at another agency and would not speak out against wrongs that their new agency could be doing. I hope that they have learned that keeping quiet can hurt so many.

[Righteously Angry]

I wanted to share that I, too, struggled with guilt for the amount of anger I have surrounding this entire situation. As a Christian, I did what came naturally, which is pray about it and search the Scriptures for guidance on the matter.

God Himself is said to rage and to be angry with those who either will not know Him, or, knowing Him, spurn him. Examples of biblical anger include Paul’s confronting Peter because of his wrong example in Galatians 2:11-14, David’s being upset over hearing Nathan the prophet sharing an injustice (2 Samuel 12), and Jesus’ anger over how some of the Jews had defiled worship at God’s temple in Jerusalem (John 2:13-18). I found it important to note that none of these examples of anger involved self-defense, but a defense of others or of a PRINCIPLE.

That led me to make some serious attitude adjustments. Namely, ALLOWING myself to be angry at the injustice, lying, and corrupt behavior that was performed in the name of Christianity. Angry at the fact that individuals promoting the stance that they were faithful Christians took advantage of the TRUST childless, Christian families placed in what we all believed was the brotherhood of Saints. Angry that the acts performed by the Webbs were done in the name of religion, plastering Bible verses on their stationary, website, and office walls while promising prayers on our behalf. Anger that Christianity was used as a marketing tool to win the trust of unsuspecting, Christian couples. Anger at the blatant and unrepentant hypocricy demonstrated by these individuals in the name of Christianity. For these issues, we have the right to be very angry as Christians.

We are told in Proverbs 8:13 that "The fear of the Lord is to HATE evil; Pride and arrogance and the EVIL WAY and the perverted mouth, I hate." Psalms 5:6 tells us that "deceitful men the LORD abhors." In Romans 12:9, Paul tells us that "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good." Naturally, love for Christ and true Christianity will stir anger within the disciple of Christ, particularly in the face of evil.

On the other hand, I realize that it would be a sin for me to be angry and feel hate for the SINNER, as opposed to the sin. Anger turns to sin when it is selfishly motivated. "In your anger, do not sin." Ephesians 4:26. Romans 12:19 "Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written:'It is mine to avenge; I will repay,' says the Lord."

I found it interesting to note that Luke 17:3 states, "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says,‘I repent,’ forgive him.” This, of course, leads to the key question: What if they DO NOT repent, nor acknowledge any wrongdoing on their part? What if they CONTINUE in their sin?

Personally, I have tried very hard to separate the sin from the sinner in this situation. I try to make sure my anger is directed at the hypocricy and deceit in the name of Christianity, not anger at the way I was personally wronged or the hurt they have caused me personally. Not easy to do.

Hope this helped!

[FoxFire]

Love wrote:

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You two are no better than the Webbs and shouldn't have been signed up with that agency in the first place as that agency was for Christians who love the Lord...something you and "********" apparently know nothing about.

!!

WOW, get screwed by a Christian agency, and now judged by the god of this board, I guess my life sucks or is my only problem when I deal with "Christians"?

[Righteously Angry]

One more thing...

I ran across a great reference that helped me a lot when it came to Biblical views on criminal and procedural justice. I'll paste it below:

Restitution
Restitution is a requirement that offenders to pay back or make whole the people who have been harmed by their actions. Specific biblical examples of the concept and use of restitution include the Mosaic law, in Exodus 22, Leviticus, and Numbers 5; and the story of Zaccaeus in Luke 19. Restitution is a concrete reflection of the restoring of broken relationships.

Accountability
Psalm 10:13-15 refers to God holding a wicked person accountable. In Ezekiel 3:16- l 9, God makes Ezekiel a watchman for the house of Israel and holds him accountable, not for Israel’s response, but for his own actions. In Romans 3:9-20, Paul describes how the law makes us all conscious of sin and the whole world accountable to God. Accountability is a crucial element of recognizing and changing behavior which causes injuries.

Personal Responsibility
People who are personally responsible are answerable for their actions, and lack of actions. In Genesis 16:!8-20, God commands that the Israelites appoint officials who are committed to justice, and warns how they will be held responsible for not following His commands. The prophet Isaiah warns of the many consequences of Israel's failure to meet its responsibilities to justice and righteousness. In Luke 11:46-52, Jesus warns experts in the law that they are responsible for the actions of the generations who have gone before them, as well as their own. All those affected by crime are personally responsible to be actively involved in healing the injuries which result from crime.

Discipline
Discipline is training by instruction or exercise, most often to reinforce regularity, order, or rule. in Jeremiah 30:11, God declares that he disciplines, but only with justice. Hebrews 12 5,6 states that the Lord disciplines those he loves, that God's discipline is an indication of our renewed relationship with him. The government has a responsibility to maintain order and work to prevent crime.

Public authority must redress the violation of personal and social rights by imposing on the offender an adequate punishment for the crime, as a condition for the offender to regain the exercise of his or her freedom. In this way the authority also fulfills the purpose of defending public order and ensuring people’s safety, while at the same time offering the offender an incentive and help to change his or her behavior and be rehabilitated.

Fairness
According to Psalm 9: 16, the Lord is known by his justice; Proverbs 1:3 and 29 describe the importance of fairness. The government has a responsibility to maintain Fairness and treat all those affected by crime with justice.

[praying for all involved]

Excellent posts, "Righteously Angry". God's word on the subject is supreme.

[Righteously Angry]

FoxFire wrote:

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WOW, get screwed by a Christian agency, and now judged by the god of this board, I guess my life sucks or is my only problem when I deal with "Christians"?

I just wanted you to know you are not the first (and almost certainly not the last) person to express anger at the Webbs. We all heal at different rates, and obviously 'Love' is at the place where he/she can experience closure and peace with this situation and move on. That's wonderful, but that doesn't mean we all feel you are any less of a Christian because you are not there yet. Many of us are not there yet. You are just expressing publically what many of us have expressed privately at one time or another, I'm sure.:)

[Love]

Confused wrote:

Love, your post is quite judgemental. People may be speaking out in pain and through difficulty, so there is no need to state that they are apparently not Christians. God is the only one that can judge the heart. I have lashed out in anger and/or pain. This may be the same thing. I have had terrible difficulties in forgiving others at times, and have even state that it would never happen, but time has healed those wounds and has made that change happen. Please let others grieve and deal with their pain as they can. Judgemental words are unnecessary.
I know that good can come from this situation, but those directly involved in the losses certainly have the right to be negative about it.
Even though we had a successful adoption, it was not without issue. We ended up paying our attorney even though it was included in our contract and fees paid to the agency. We had problems with getting our calls returned. Others I will not mention due to the fact that it might reveal our case to those that were there at the time.
All that said, It does make me nervous to think that those that worked for AA might end up at another agency and would not speak out against wrongs that their new agency could be doing. I hope that they have learned that keeping quiet can hurt so many.

Yes...have a right to be negative toward the Webbs and the situation, but not to be negative towards me and MY FEELINGS!!!

Do you know that people at the agency HAVE been talking to the Feds?????

YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ALL WE DID FOR THAT AGENCY AND THE PEOPLE THAT WENT THROUGH THAT AGENCY!!! So don't talk to me trying to explain everybody's feelings. I WAS THERE AND DID MORE FOR YOU PEOPLE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW...and this is my payback for trying to help.

You guys need to think about the people that worked for the Webbs and the abuse that we took as well.

WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THEM EVERYDAY, ALL DAY. Why you ask? Because we cared about you guys so much.

We cared about you guys so much that we would even go without pay sometimes, but would still work for you all. To be there for you.

And I get this???

Very nice.

[Concerned]

Love wrote:

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Yes...have a right to be negative toward the Webbs and the situation, but not to be negative towards me and MY FEELINGS!!!
Do you know that people at the agency HAVE been talking to the Feds?????
YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ALL WE DID FOR THAT AGENCY AND THE PEOPLE THAT WENT THROUGH THAT AGENCY!!! So don't talk to me trying to explain everybody's feelings. I WAS THERE AND DID MORE FOR YOU PEOPLE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW...and this is my payback for trying to help.
You guys need to think about the people that worked for the Webbs and the abuse that we took as well.
WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THEM EVERYDAY, ALL DAY. Why you ask? Because we cared about you guys so much.
We cared about you guys so much that we would even go without pay sometimes, but would still work for you all. To be there for you.
And I get this???
Very nice.

Well said, but a little angered. You're right, most of the bloggers on here have NO idea what we, the former employees of AAI have been through and are going through now. I have been subject to a 3 hour FBI interrogation at my workplace, interrogation by the head of the ethics committee at my workplace, continued calls from attorneys for other people at my workplace, etc., and all because we too were victims of the Webbs. We all hurt in a different way, but rest assured, the hurt is there. Not the same, but there. There's hardly a day goes by that I don't think about the families and if by some miracle have they gotten the baby or child of their dreams. I worry about the families that took out second mortgages or spent their savings trying to reach a dream that for them seemed unreachable. I wonder about the birthmothers and are they okay and are they getting their pictures. I wonder if this Christmas might be the Christmas some of the couples may get their miracle. So, I guess everyone affected by this "mess" has their own little "Webb hell" that we live through.

[Righteously Angry]

Love wrote:

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Yes...have a right to be negative toward the Webbs and the situation, but not to be negative towards me and MY FEELINGS!!!
Do you know that people at the agency HAVE been talking to the Feds?????
YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ALL WE DID FOR THAT AGENCY AND THE PEOPLE THAT WENT THROUGH THAT AGENCY!!! So don't talk to me trying to explain everybody's feelings. I WAS THERE AND DID MORE FOR YOU PEOPLE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW...and this is my payback for trying to help.
You guys need to think about the people that worked for the Webbs and the abuse that we took as well.
WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THEM EVERYDAY, ALL DAY. Why you ask? Because we cared about you guys so much.
We cared about you guys so much that we would even go without pay sometimes, but would still work for you all. To be there for you.
And I get this???
Very nice.

I wasn't aware that you were a former employee. I can only imagine what you went through on a daily basis. Thank you for working hard for us behind the scenes, even though I'm sure it probably felt like you were spitting in the wind most days. I always felt bad for the new employees who were still unaware of what was in store for them. They all seemed like genuinely good people who, as you said, truly cared about adoptive families and birthmothers alike. It must have been really hard to be torn like that...wanting to stay and help the couples & birthmothers as much as possible, then at the same time wanting to run away from the Webbs and their "business" as fast as you could. We are all victims in different ways, I guess.

[Are you serious]

Righteously Angry wrote:

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I wasn't aware that you were a former employee. I can only imagine what you went through on a daily basis. Thank you for working hard for us behind the scenes, even though I'm sure it probably felt like you were spitting in the wind most days. I always felt bad for the new employees who were still unaware of what was in store for them. They all seemed like genuinely good people who, as you said, truly cared about adoptive families and birthmothers alike. It must have been really hard to be torn like that...wanting to stay and help the couples & birthmothers as much as possible, then at the same time wanting to run away from the Webbs and their "business" as fast as you could. We are all victims in different ways, I guess.

Okay, let's not feel sorry for someone who says they knew shady things were going on, however they CHOSE NOT to alert the authorities or try to intervene and warn the prospective parents before they lost their life savings. I am sorry, but if you did nothing while this was happening because you didn't want to lose your job, or for whatever reason, then do not expect any sympathy from me now that the FBI and others are asking questions about what you new, when. You knew things were not right, and you sat back and did nothing, for the money. Your name might as well be Webb.