Ark. medical marijuana group submits signatures

Aug 14, 2012 | Posted by: What- | Full story: www.sfgate.com

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) Backers of an initiative that would legalize the use of medical marijuana in Arkansas submitted more than 74,000 additional signatures Monday to the secretary of state's office, though only about a quarter of them need to be valid to get the issue on the November ballot.

The group Arkansans for Compassionate Care was given time to gather more signatures after it submitted 65,413 names on July 5. Only 36,495 names from that batch were certified as being from registered voters, leaving organizers shy of the required 62,507 verified names.

The group's treasurer, Melissa Fults, said organizers learned more about the process after submitting its first batch of signatures. This time, she said, they made sure that volunteers and paid canvassers asked people when and where they last voted before asking them to sign the petition to help ensure the signees were registered voters.

"I don't think there's much of a chance we won't" make the Nov. 6 ballot, Fults said.

The secretary of state's office must verify the signatures and is expected to rule within 10 days on whether the proposal qualifies for the ballot.

But the measure has drawn a tepid response from politicians. Gov. Mike Beebe and Attorney General Dustin McDaniel, both Democrats, have said they won't actively oppose the measure but that they probably won't vote for it. Spokesmen for Beebe and McDaniel said Monday that their positions have not changed.

The conservative Arkansas Family Council opposes the measure, arguing that marijuana is an illegal drug under federal law, which trumps state law. The group's director, Jerry Cox, didn't immediately return a message seeking comment Monday.

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I'm not sure that companies can "set the rules" for what prescription drugs their employees can take at home. I'd like to see some reference for that. Also, lots of people apply for jobs KNOWING that they are doing something that they risk getting caught and fired for. Do you think that employers could ban the use of alcohol or tobacco by employees at home? Apparently you do. Again, I'm not so sure about that. And that "the cost would be prohibitive" talk doesn't cut it either, as besides being baseless in principle, the workmans compensation in Arkansas is state run, and not a private insurance program.
You're swatting at gnats!Ttrying to drop alcohol and tobacco into this dicussion is an attempt at desperation. Here workmans comp is state controlled and required BUT it's underwritten by insurance companies that we have to deal with direct. They set rules and costs by how you play the game with employee screenings and safety issues. Once an employee is injured,the carrier sets the course of treatment and recovery. The patient deals with their case worker at the insurance company for allowed treatment and drugs. Patients are not allowed back on the premises until the doctors and insurance carrier clears them to do so. Sounds cold but that's the way the system works.

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<quoted text>When an employee is suspected of either alcohol or drug use,we send to a med lab for testing right then and there. It's for their protection and ours. If an employee is injured on the job,they are either tested at the hospital or the industrial medicine office. That's a requirement of workman's comp. If said employee is drunk or stoned,or shows MJ in their system against company policy, it establishes a defence to protect the company from a frivolous lawsuit by the fired employee. DON'T APPLY AT A PLACE THAT TESTS FOR DRUGS OR ALCOHOL!!!!What's so hard to understand about that?
and that is the way it should be for any kind of drug that is not prescribed by a dr.
Thanks for the answer. I worked at a plant where a lot of the young workers were high on something and pills were being sold all over. I have proven that you are more keen and fast when you are high on pot, but clumsy on alcohol.
I don't do either now. Out grew that trash.
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<quoted text> and that is the way it should be for any kind of drug that is not prescribed by a dr.
Thanks for the answer. I worked at a plant where a lot of the young workers were high on something and pills were being sold all over. I have proven that you are more keen and fast when you are high on pot, but clumsy on alcohol.
I don't do either now. Out grew that trash.
Very wise move on your part! It's sad to see so many young people getting caught at work in random testing and getting a DRD (drug related dismissal) on their work record. With more companies using commercial background checks,it makes it hard to get a GOOD job in the future.
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<quoted text>You're swatting at gnats!Ttrying to drop alcohol and tobacco into this dicussion is an attempt at desperation. Here workmans comp is state controlled and required BUT it's underwritten by insurance companies that we have to deal with direct. They set rules and costs by how you play the game with employee screenings and safety issues. Once an employee is injured,the carrier sets the course of treatment and recovery. The patient deals with their case worker at the insurance company for allowed treatment and drugs. Patients are not allowed back on the premises until the doctors and insurance carrier clears them to do so. Sounds cold but that's the way the system works.
I'm not swatting at anything. I'm merely following your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion with analogies. Regardless, you say that companies can forbid workers from using legal drugs at home. You're wrong about that. You also say that you think that workmans compensation insurance companies can do the same. I've seen no evidence for that. You can say that that's the way the system works if you want, but it isn't.
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I'm not swatting at anything. I'm merely following your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion with analogies. Regardless, you say that companies can forbid workers from using legal drugs at home. You're wrong about that. You also say that you think that workmans compensation insurance companies can do the same. I've seen no evidence for that. You can say that that's the way the system works if you want, but it isn't.
Reading comprehension wasn't one of your major items in school was it? No one is saying you can't use drugs at home but if you come back to work on company time,on company premises with an illegal drug as spelled out in your handbook,that you were lectured about,that you signed a piece of paper stating that you understood the rules, them don't expect to be employed after you are caught in a pee or hair test. If you haven't grown out of the cat-n-mouse game of drugs yet,just don't apply at a company where you run the risk of getting caught. Silly ass games can screw up your future.
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<quoted text> Reading comprehension wasn't one of your major items in school was it? No one is saying you can't use drugs at home but if you come back to work on company time,on company premises with an illegal drug as spelled out in your handbook,that you were lectured about,that you signed a piece of paper stating that you understood the rules, them don't expect to be employed after you are caught in a pee or hair test. If you haven't grown out of the cat-n-mouse game of drugs yet,just don't apply at a company where you run the risk of getting caught. Silly ass games can screw up your future.
Basic logic and practical reasoning wasn't one of your major items in school was it? You say that an employer can forbid someone from using a legal drug at home, then you say that you didn't say it, and then you restate that the employer can do it if the employer defines it as "illegal" (but guess what employers don't decide which drugs are legal and illegal). The only one playing silly ass games is you. When you go to take an employer drug test, they ask you for a list of any prescriptions that you take. There is a reason for that. I'll let you use your logic and practical reasoning skills to figure out why. Not that it hasn't already been said.
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Basic logic and practical reasoning wasn't one of your major items in school was it? You say that an employer can forbid someone from using a legal drug at home, then you say that you didn't say it, and then you restate that the employer can do it if the employer defines it as "illegal" (but guess what employers don't decide which drugs are legal and illegal). The only one playing silly ass games is you. When you go to take an employer drug test, they ask you for a list of any prescriptions that you take. There is a reason for that. I'll let you use your logic and practical reasoning skills to figure out why. Not that it hasn't already been said.
You're twisting the facts in typical stoner fashion. If MJ was made legal to posess, it would be legal to use at home but you just couldn't have it in your system when you came to work according to company policy just as you wouldn't be able to come in shitfaced drunk with legal alcohol. There again,don't take a job in a company that tests.... Very simple!
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<quoted text>You're twisting the facts in typical stoner fashion. If MJ was made legal to posess, it would be legal to use at home but you just couldn't have it in your system when you came to work according to company policy just as you wouldn't be able to come in shitfaced drunk with legal alcohol. There again,don't take a job in a company that tests.... Very simple!
I'm neither a stoner nor twisting anything. No one has advocating going to work stoned. Just as you can't go to work drunk. But according to your logic, if a test could be created to detect if alcohol has been consumed in the last few days or weeks or months (as is the case with marijuana), then it would be legal for an employer to prohibit their employees from using alcohol and deny them workers compensation based on past alcohol use. Only you propose even worse, that that principle extends to legal prescription drugs. Again, you fail. Logic and practical reasoning. Try it sometime. And avoid hypocricy, fact twister.
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Stupid dopers! It may be legal in some states but the FEDS wil bust you for it any time they want! LOL!
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I'm neither a stoner nor twisting anything. No one has advocating going to work stoned. Just as you can't go to work drunk. But according to your logic, if a test could be created to detect if alcohol has been consumed in the last few days or weeks or months (as is the case with marijuana), then it would be legal for an employer to prohibit their employees from using alcohol and deny them workers compensation based on past alcohol use. Only you propose even worse, that that principle extends to legal prescription drugs. Again, you fail. Logic and practical reasoning. Try it sometime. And avoid hypocricy, fact twister.
Why does it concern you so? Go ahead and smoke all you want. No one is stopping you. Stand up to the MAN and demand your rights!!!!......of course,there may be a few difficulties along life's path,but damm the torpedoes,full speed ahead!
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<quoted text>Why does it concern you so? Go ahead and smoke all you want. No one is stopping you. Stand up to the MAN and demand your rights!!!!......of course,there may be a few difficulties along life's path,but damm the torpedoes,full speed ahead!
Why wouldn't it concern me? Why does it concern you? That is the more important question. You are the one wanting the government to stop people from doing something. And again, I've already told you that I don't smoke. However, if I wanted to, the law would currently be stopping me. You say that no one is stopping me. You are wrong. Also, there may be some difficulties and torpedoes with this as you say, but they haven't been articulated by you. When getting into the specifics of that, you have just provided false statements and illogical thinking.
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Stupid dopers! It may be legal in some states but the FEDS wil bust you for it any time they want! LOL!
It is legal in 17 states and in Washington D.C.
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It is legal in 17 states and in Washington D.C.
Only by states! Federal agencies still arrest you for it! LOL!
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It is legal in 17 states and in Washington D.C.
And companies with a drug free policy can still fire you if you get caught with it in your system.. Legal for possession for medical use but not for the stoners use anytime anywhere.
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<quoted text>And companies with a drug free policy can still fire you if you get caught with it in your system.. Legal for possession for medical use but not for the stoners use anytime anywhere.
You can make false statements all you want, but it doesn't make it so.
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You can make false statements all you want, but it doesn't make it so.
His statement is true. Why don't you try it out and see what happens. Assuming you HAVE a job!
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I'm not sure that companies can "set the rules" for what prescription drugs their employees can take at home. I'd like to see some reference for that. Also, lots of people apply for jobs KNOWING that they are doing something that they risk getting caught and fired for. Do you think that employers could ban the use of alcohol or tobacco by employees at home? Apparently you do. Again, I'm not so sure about that. And that "the cost would be prohibitive" talk doesn't cut it either, as besides being baseless in principle, the workmans compensation in Arkansas is state run, and not a private insurance program.
As I pointed out in another post. The Arkansas Workmans Compensation Commission only oversees and regulates the insurance companies and self insured companies to provide fair treatment to workers injured on the job. They charge a fee to fund that commission. This regulation commission is NOT a state insurance company. Check your facts before you start to distort them.

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