legal child stealing by ex step mother Debora Wingrove

[anonymous]

i need to get some info on what i can do in ref situation with my 12 year old son.recently I started nursing school 08/2006 & graduated 6/07/07 when i first started nursing school i put my 12yr in care of my exstepmom Debora wingrove in Vincent,OH,Washington co. i signed a poa for medical & school purposes only.March 14th i received a phone call from my brother concerned about a phone call that my biological mother received from Debora wingrove wanting my mother sally Webb to testify against me in court for her to be able to gain full custody of my son. this was a temporary situation for the time that i was in school only. this was to help Zachary be more stable during the situations that was going on in my life at the time. i was still going through custody for my 3 year with my ex husband Kenneth gabbard and also starting nursing school. i was afraid that i wouldn't have the time to do everything that Zachary would need during the school year as far as his extra activities after school and his homework along with mine, plus the situation going on with my ex husband at the same time. this lady had been in my life since i was a little girl i trusted her with everything down to keep my personal items at her house along with all my jewelry and family possessions that had been handed down through out the years. i had even went as far as trusting my money in her bank account which she gave me access too. i had my 12 year old social security direct deposited into her account and i also would put all of my pay roll and loan checks into her account so that there was money there if anything was needed for my son. i also had access to this if i needed to get money for bills and etc also. the problems all started in January 2007 when i couldn't afford to put my loan checks into her bank account this time. which was 1600.00. i had to pay my attorney that had handled my divorce and the custody for my 3 year old which i currently have. i also had to pay some personal bills that i had at the time. i then went and applied for assistance and found out that Debora wingrove had been collecting welfare benefits on my 3 year old and myself along with Zachary and herself at the address in Vincent Ohio. i was a full time student at butler tech in fairfield Ohio. my classes were Monday through Friday from 8 am to 330pm every day. i would work every other weekend and then go to visit my son on the opposite weekends. then after thanksgiving Debora started breaking contact with my son and i. she would either not answer the phone or say that Zachary had other plans and wasn't available for me to visit her. then on my visit at Christmas time she said that Zachary was sick and i only got to spend about 4 hours with him and she never took him to the doctor but yet i find out later that she was allowing him to go out and play on the four wheeler on the farm. then the Friday the 16th of march after i received the phone call from my brother i went to pick up my son from his school and Zachary stood in the hallway yelling and saying that he wasn't allowed to be with me or talk with me and wasn't allowed to go with me.

[anonymous]

i then asked to talk with the principle alone and they put Zachary in another room then all of the sudden the sheriff shows up and my ex step mother Debora wingrove and my father Rodney wingrove. the sheriff pointed out to them that there was nothing that they could do that i never gave up my rights and that all i signed was for medical and school purposes only. i was allowed to leave with my son. my mother had us stay with my aunt that still lived there in the town and was going to go and buy Zachary some clothes for school the next day. we went the next morning and got Zachary school clothes and i went back to my aunts house and the next thing i know is that my father Rodney wingrove is at the door with the sheriff and they somehow got a temp custody order on my son. the items on the affidavit i have been able to contradict in black and white and wrote a letter to the judge in Washington county Ohio. he still in the pretrial didn't over turn the order. the case goes to trial on July 27,2007 in Washington county Ohio. i am unable to get legal aide due to the fact that my sons biological father contacted them first and they told me it was a conflict of interest. i have already spent out 1900.00 on this case and have not been able to work until after i graduated. the court is still wanting 500.00 for a GAL and now since i wasn't able to start working until after graduation from nursing school i have to come up with another 2500.00 to get another attorney for Zachary. I am unable to do this in that short length of time and haven't been working long enough to be able to get anymore credit and with being out of school now i cant even get another student loan to help with this. i am so afraid that i am going to loose my son due to the fact that i don't have the funding for an attorney at the moment. my ex step mother Debora wingrove has built so much hate and mistrust up in my son that he is now very unruly and destructive while in my care. he has jerked my steering wheel or my car twice and i almost wrecked and also jerked the car out of gear. he has been lying and stealing from me and he never did these things before. he is also convinced somehow that Debora wingrove is his biological mother and she has never had any children at all and that i had adopted him from her and that is why he is going through this custody battle now. please advise if you have any suggestions of what might be done. i have lots of documentation and phone records and recordings to be able to enlighten allot more on this case. Children services wont get involved they said that mental cases are too hard to prove.

[anonymous]

From: "PACE Webmaster" <[e-mail] >
To: "Jonna Gabbard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: legal child stealing by ex step mother
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:11:16 -0400
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The rights of the parent trump those of the non parent, in this case your step mother. The POA that you signed was I presumed checked to make sure she didn't try to sneak something past you. If that POA is proper than she has no right under Ohio law to try to gain custody of this child and in my opinion should have never been issued a temporary order as such.
If your ex husband has been brought into this now, I have to ask, is he going after custody of the child? Or are they suing him to remove his rights also?
I'd like to know what the judge based his decision on to give them temporary custody. Did she claim you as unfit or state that you had abandoned the child?
Ray Lautenschlager
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[anonymous]

Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:05:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jonna Gabbard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Re: legal child stealing by ex step mother
To: [e-mail]
Debbie,
It is so sad. I don't see where a peaceful situation can come out of this now. Deb and my father have zachary to where he wont even say he loves me anymore. He just tells me that I never cared and wont even say a nice thing to me. In church on mothers day he told me he hated me to get away from him and that he never wanted to see me again, he said this in front of the preacher. Zachary is now lying to me and stealing from me and is very unruley. he wasnt like this before. He has grabbed my steering wheel of my car twice and i almost ran off the road. the police have been here several times due to zachary. I am just floored at this whole situation. This has ruined everyones summer and no one has been able to take a vacation like we used to do. Zachary is so hateful now. We used to take at least 3 vacations during the summer and this year we are unable to take any. One sunday when I went to pick him up I was 15 minutes early and Deb slammed the door in my face and told me it wasnt 6pm yet and i had to wait until exactly 6pm. I have a voicemail from deb on my phone that says if I make zachary come home that she will make sure that he makes my life hell. Debbie is collecting welfare benefits with zachary being there and has free medical for her and zachary and also if she gets custody would be able to try to get child support from me and his dad and I am now making 28.00 an hour and zachary gets a social security check each month off his father. In my opion this is all for finacial gain for debbie and not in the best interest of zachry. He tells my mother that he hates her and that she never cared about him and never did anything with him. My mother would spend at least 3 weeks in the summer with him doing things. This is just all horrible. Sorry to keep venting but I am just at a loss and feel like someone could have physically hurt me and the pain wouldnt be as bad.
[e-mail] wrote:
Jonna:
Are you still not able to get Zach back? I assumed that once the school year was over that you would have him back. I know that this is hard on you and Zach. I don't know if I should say this but sometimes an outsider can have a little more insight. I know that you love your son and he loves you and that he also loves his grandparents. He is the one that is going to be hurt the most by this battle over custody. You need to pray to God and ask Him what is best for Zach. If he wants to come home to you then you need to make sure that it happens. Sometimes the decisions we make can ruin a life forever so be careful. Zach is the important one in all this. Please make sure he is included in this decision. I believe that legally you can get him back as long as the court has no reason to say you are an unfit mother. Just be sure that you can give him the security and time that he needs to become an upstanding adult. Don't make him the rope in the middle of a tug of war game. No matter what the outcome, let him still have a relationship with Rod and Debbie because it is clear that he loves them. As you know from coming from a divorced family it is hard to be placed in the middle. Zach does not want to hurt any of you and it is not his fault that this situation has come about. Put pride or any self motives out of this picture and pray to God that you all will make the right decision for Zach. I love you and pray that you all can reach some kind of peaceful agreement.
God Bless,
Debbie Alloway

[hmmm]

ok been there done that still feeling it.
if it goes to court try your best to get it passed to the highest court that you can. the way
i was told it works by my lawer ex-juge is that the lower courts make up there own law and most are buddy buddy. the higher up in the court you go the more the juge has to go by the law.it may sound bad but limit contact the child has with them that is where i lost. cause i felt bad for them and let my son go and stay the weekend off and on when he was good .now i have no choice.the more the child goes the more the juge will not want to change it. even if they are causeing problems. so be carefull. keep records dates times of every thing you will need it.your word is nothing alone have backup in paper.never lose your temper. remember its not the child fault hes brain washed.he dont see that if they got cousty things would change. all he sees is that he gets every thing he wants and will keep getting every thing as long as they dont have cousty.as far as the ex goes thats a hard one.i have found if a ex tells a lie its good as gold.if you dont have proff.and remember in the usa its not really your innocent till proven guilty its your guilty till you prove your innocent .and if you dont have the child do not break contact with him.go see him every time no matter whats going on when they let you. and if they say you cant write it down. and it might help you in the eyes of the court to get parenting classes on your own .to show that you are tring and i think you have up to a year to try to get cousty back. so dont give up if you lose and always keep your temper in your pocket. if the court see you get mad even if you lose. it will look bad on you. good luck ps: i know there is this thing called law that we trust in.but i found out the hard way that there are small towns where every ones friends and the law dont count in a back room or at dinner. and for the childs sake say nothing bad about them to the kid at all. but remember no matter what anyone says unless they have been there they dont know. you are fighting for your family nothing less. they have went and got temp cousty they are tring to take your family from you. IT IS WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR get the idea

[hmmm]

I wish the best for you.

[hmmm]

Are you still not able to get Zach back? I assumed that once the school year was over that you would have him back
(hmmm thats they way mine went get a lawer go back to court)
grandparents = grandparents rights
(dont fall for this check up on the law in the surprem court there is no grand parents rights
there view is that grandparents have lots of tools they can use to see the child as: baby sitting helping out and so on.leave it to the local court and his grandparents will have parents rights without having to pay child support like a parent . think your ex gets 2 weekends a month parents rights now the grand parents get 2 weekends free of charge you get no weekends and the headake. on side note cause of this my son can not join football he wanted to but cant and cubscouts he begged but cant see who it really hurts. dont get me wrong im a nice guy i have a real big heart but burn me once shame on you burn me twice shame on me.)good night hope you the best

[hmmm]

Grandparents' Rights(June 06, 2000) The U.S. Supreme Court recently decided that grandparents do not have an automatic right to visit their grandchildren. That decision was based on a Washington State case involving the grandparents of two sisters, ages 8 and 10. The Supreme Court said a state law giving the grandparents visitation rights actually violated the U.S. Constitution.Six judges, the majority, sided with parents over grandparents in in the case. Three judges disagreed.The court said the most important aspect of the argument is the right of parents to raise their children free from government interference.The Constitution still "leaves room for states to consider the impact on a child of possibly arbitrary parental decisions that neither serve nor are motivated by the best interests of the child," wrote one of the six Justices in the majority. In other words, the government can still get involved if parents make decisions which might harm their children.A Family Affair The case, Troxel v. Granville, full story here http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/ja...

[anonymous]

Thanks for the input plans are to go as far as need be to get my child rescued from this situation. I dont care if I am broke the rest of my life as long as I have my family back intact.

[JEFF]

FAKE IT

[TJ Skylark]

Thanks! You gave me an idea how to help a little guy in trouble!

anonymous wrote:

i then asked to talk with the principle alone and they put Zachary in another room then all of the sudden the sheriff shows up and my ex step mother Debora wingrove and my father Rodney wingrove. the sheriff pointed out to them that there was nothing that they could do that i never gave up my rights and that all i signed was for medical and school purposes only. i was allowed to leave with my son. my mother had us stay with my aunt that still lived there in the town and was going to go and buy Zachary some clothes for school the next day. we went the next morning and got Zachary school clothes and i went back to my aunts house and the next thing i know is that my father Rodney wingrove is at the door with the sheriff and they somehow got a temp custody order on my son. the items on the affidavit i have been able to contradict in black and white and wrote a letter to the judge in Washington county Ohio. he still in the pretrial didn't over turn the order. the case goes to trial on July 27,2007 in Washington county Ohio. i am unable to get legal aide due to the fact that my sons biological father contacted them first and they told me it was a conflict of interest. i have already spent out 1900.00 on this case and have not been able to work until after i graduated. the court is still wanting 500.00 for a GAL and now since i wasn't able to start working until after graduation from nursing school i have to come up with another 2500.00 to get another attorney for Zachary. I am unable to do this in that short length of time and haven't been working long enough to be able to get anymore credit and with being out of school now i cant even get another student loan to help with this. i am so afraid that i am going to loose my son due to the fact that i don't have the funding for an attorney at the moment. my ex step mother Debora wingrove has built so much hate and mistrust up in my son that he is now very unruly and destructive while in my care. he has jerked my steering wheel or my car twice and i almost wrecked and also jerked the car out of gear. he has been lying and stealing from me and he never did these things before. he is also convinced somehow that Debora wingrove is his biological mother and she has never had any children at all and that i had adopted him from her and that is why he is going through this custody battle now. please advise if you have any suggestions of what might be done. i have lots of documentation and phone records and recordings to be able to enlighten allot more on this case. Children services wont get involved they said that mental cases are too hard to prove.

[jolyn]

TJ Skylark wrote:

Thanks! You gave me an idea how to help a little guy in trouble!
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I am still fighting this battle to get my son home. Are you going through a similar situation???

[monkey mick jeff]

you are a poor parent

[grandparent]

this so called step grandparent is a cruel and unhealthy person for this child to be subjected to, she is instilling long term effects on this child that will impact him for the rest of his life, long past the time she will be on this earth. When she has to have a life review before our maker maybe the good lord can explain to her that she is wrong and prepare her for "hell"

[singlemom]

monkey mick jeff wrote:

you are a poor parent

....Jeff, you are a complete idiot! Let me guess, you've never tried to raise children as a single parent, work, and go to school so you could provide for them??? Probably not, or you wouldn't be so quick to degrade someone else who's trying to.

[jolyn]

grandparent wrote:

this so called step grandparent is a cruel and unhealthy person for this child to be subjected to, she is instilling long term effects on this child that will impact him for the rest of his life, long past the time she will be on this earth. When she has to have a life review before our maker maybe the good lord can explain to her that she is wrong and prepare her for "hell"

thank you for the words of wisdom i am still praying and keeping faith that one day my child will be home with myself and his brother again i still cant figure out how this had to happen, but i am sure one day God will make things right thank you again