Rome Burned, Will We?
Prince velveeta

Fort Plain, NY

#23 Aug 28, 2012
Indy wrote:
<quoted text>
The Mythical Alexander Tyler and His Theory of Democracy
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north484.htm...
The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
“A democracy is always temporary in nature: it simple cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority will always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy,(which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”
Sure democracies destroy themselves, We were a constitutional republic. The industrialists killing competition (still in power), the Fed in 1913 and FDR changed all that in 1930 for the worse. http://www.texemarrs.com/082010/baku_oil_fiel...
``Competition is a sin.''-John D. Rockefeller

Since: Aug 12

Westwood, NJ

#24 Aug 28, 2012
Indy wrote:
<quoted text>
The Mythical Alexander Tyler and His Theory of Democracy
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north484.htm...
The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
“A democracy is always temporary in nature: it simple cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority will always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy,(which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”
Thanks for posting this Indy...so true.

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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#25 Aug 29, 2012
Clue me in.
Because of the current economic situation, extremely slow growth and the deficit...
That democracy will end?

And we are headed into BONDAGE!
the servile state

South Dennis, MA

#26 Aug 29, 2012
Read it.

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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#27 Aug 29, 2012
Hey... I read it.
IF it were factual (it is mere speculation)...
I'd say we are in the LIBERTY phase.

I see no complacency, apathy or dependence.

You view MITT's proposed tax cuts...
as generous gifts from the public treasury?

http://www.usfederalbudget.us/welfare_budget_...
the servile state

South Dennis, MA

#28 Aug 29, 2012
Read the servile state, not the link above.

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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#29 Aug 29, 2012
'The Servile State', Hilaire Belloc, 1912.
Available:
http://archive.org/details/servilestate00bell...

I haven't read it.
But aren't his comments about PURE democracy, and PURE capitalism?
Neither of which we have.

Since: Aug 12

New York, NY

#30 Aug 29, 2012
UTLT wrote:
Hey... I read it.
IF it were factual (it is mere speculation)...
I'd say we are in the LIBERTY phase.
I see no complacency, apathy or dependence.
You view MITT's proposed tax cuts...
as generous gifts from the public treasury?
http://www.usfederalbudget.us/welfare_budget_...
UTLT, please pick up a copy of "Liberty and Tyranny" by Mark Levin. Shouldn't be hard to find it was a bestseller a few years ago. Once you read that try "Ameritopia" and "Men in black" by the same author. You will see how our liberties (freedom) have eroded so greatly that we would be unrecognizable as a nation to our founders.
the servile state

South Dennis, MA

#31 Aug 29, 2012
UTLT wrote:
'The Servile State', Hilaire Belloc, 1912.
Available:
http://archive.org/details/servilestate00bell...
I haven't read it.
But aren't his comments about PURE democracy, and PURE capitalism?
Neither of which we have.
Whoops I asked a Topix poster to read a book. Should have known it would stop at the summary. Attention span of a Tweet.

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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#32 Aug 29, 2012
A little longer than a TWEET...
Most folks won't even give you THAT!

YES... there are many books.
Books which espouse many things.
You can find a book to support any belief.

The question is...
We are here now...
where do we want to go? and how?

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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#33 Aug 29, 2012
My question is...
OKAY...
so you believe we are headed toward slavery and bondage.
In your opinion...
What should we do?
Observer

Albany, NY

#34 Aug 29, 2012
UTLT wrote:
My question is...
OKAY...
so you believe we are headed toward slavery and bondage.
In your opinion...
What should we do?
Move to a free country like Canada, or Mexico.
The wealthy folks want America. They don't have to make us leave. They only have to make life here a hair more painful and we will leave on our own accord.

Since: Aug 12

Jersey City, NJ

#35 Aug 29, 2012
UTLT wrote:
My question is...
OKAY...
so you believe we are headed toward slavery and bondage.
In your opinion...
What should we do?
I fear we're headed from a soft tyranny (where we are today - what aspect of your life isn't in some way or another controlled / regulated by the government?) to a hard tyranny in the future.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#36 Aug 29, 2012
Our country needs one major change, the power needs to be back into the hands of the people. "We the people" have given away too many of our civil liberties in the name of fear or "the war on terror" and "the war on drugs". This will be what leads our country into collapse. Our government is supposed to fear the people, not us fearing them. They are there to represent us, they work for us, the executive, legislative, and judicial branch all work for us and should fear us. Without fear will lead to tyranny, tyranny would be the collapse of this great nation. Thomas Jefferson once stated: "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#37 Aug 29, 2012
Gee Whiz!
I see NO aspect of my live controlled by government.
Yes, I pay taxes.
But, I see no infringement on my civil liberties.

YES... we have the TSA.

But overall... I feel as safe, secure and FREE... as ever.

What SPECIFICALLY happens in your life which makes you feel so oppressed?

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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#38 Aug 29, 2012
OR... is it just fun to say?
LIKE dreaming of a post apocalyptic world...
a dystopian vision.

Since: Aug 12

Columbus, OH

#39 Aug 29, 2012
UTLT wrote:
OR... is it just fun to say?
LIKE dreaming of a post apocalyptic world...
a dystopian vision.
Here's a short quote to give you a taste of what I am talking about.

“Where utopianism is advanced through gradualism rather than revolution, albeit steady and persistent as in democratic societies, it can deceive and disarm an unsuspecting population, which is largely content and passive. It is sold as reforming and improving the existing society's imperfections and weaknesses without imperiling its basic nature. Under these conditions, it is mostly ignored, dismissed, or tolerated by much of the citizenry and celebrated by some. Transformation is deemed innocuous, well-intentioned, and perhaps constructive but not a dangerous trespass on fundamental liberties.”
&#8213; Mark R. Levin, Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America

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Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#40 Aug 29, 2012
You feel...
That UTOPIANISM has been advanced... in ANY form?

What reform, of any nature, couldn't be suspected?
EVERYTHING would be suspicious!
What a bogus thought.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#41 Aug 29, 2012
I do not feel oppressed just stating that the government has too much control and it will bite us in the ass one day. The thread is "Rome burned, will we", once government acquires too much power it falls, this is what happened to Rome. Rome got to big and spread itself too thin and fell. Same as our country is doing now, one country can only do so much.

Since: Aug 12

New York, NY

#42 Aug 29, 2012
UTLT wrote:
Hey... I read it.
IF it were factual (it is mere speculation)...
I'd say we are in the LIBERTY phase.
I see no complacency, apathy or dependence.
You view MITT's proposed tax cuts...
as generous gifts from the public treasury?
http://www.usfederalbudget.us/welfare_budget_...
Somehow I missed this post. How can you honestly say that you see no dependency when we now have record numbers of people on food stamps?

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