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#1 Dec 13, 2012
In light of the shootings last night in the Portland, Oregon shopping mall, what are your thoughts on gun control? The US had 12.000+ deaths in 2011 caused by fire arms. How many people need to die before we fix this epidemic in the US?

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#2 Dec 13, 2012

“Do SOMETHING !!!”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#3 Dec 13, 2012
In addition to the 12,000 homicides with guns...
There are more suicides with guns...(17,000)...
Additonally:
There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.

The availability of guns is a problem.

However...
I think WCR is merely teasing a conversation on this...
I'd imagine him to be a BIG 2nd Admendment supporter.
Monroe St

Moravia, NY

#4 Dec 13, 2012
CoffinMaker wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =uz_WRWzkimwXX
That's disturbing....

But,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health...
alcohol killed at least 75,000 last year.

and...Forks make people fat. Should we ban forks?

Gun control doesn't equal self control.

Gun control is pointless.

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#5 Dec 13, 2012
Its not the availability of guns that's the problem, its the seemingly ever increasing inclination to use them that is the problem.

I posted my earlier link not so much to be humorous, but to bring attention to the endemic mental health issues in modern western society (its not just the USA by the way)that are one of the two primary causes of increased gunshot injuries and fatalities, the other being the black market drug culture.

Unfortunately for the NRA and everybody else, society (both politically and culturally) usually prefers to deal with the visible symptoms of a problem rather than the problem itself.

So long as we combine:(1)a failure to recognize that modern technology enables perhaps 50% of the available work force to produce virtually all the goods and services required by society and that a labor surplus is a permanent feature of our economic systems; and (2) valuing a person's worth and dignity largely by the economic fruits of his labor,-- society will produce an ever increasing number of "failures" with growing mental health issues.
Join em

Little Falls, NY

#6 Dec 13, 2012
Perhaps it's not the availability of guns which is the problem.

Maybe it is the proliferation of ugly, big-box, automobile-dependent, all-the-same, dehumanizing shopping malls that is the problem.

Food for thought. When's the last time you ever heard of anyone going on a shooting rampage on a nice, human-scale, walkable Main Street shopping district?

I'm serious about this. The way we design and lay out our space definitely affects the way people act in those spaces.
Join em

Little Falls, NY

#7 Dec 13, 2012
CoffinMaker wrote:

So long as we combine:(1)a failure to recognize that modern technology enables perhaps 50% of the available work force to produce virtually all the goods and services required by society and that a labor surplus is a permanent feature of our economic systems; and (2) valuing a person's worth and dignity largely by the economic fruits of his labor,-- society will produce an ever increasing number of "failures" with growing mental health issues.
Excellent point. This particularly point is far worse among Americansn it is among other cultures, where often as not, a poor person can be considered an important person. And American poor people don't help matters. They are typically far dirtier and behave far worse than do poor people in other nations. But you areabsolutely right on with this observation. However, many of these rampages are not committed by people who are poor or who are out of work. I'm not sure we can make the correlation, much less the causation, between labor and self-worth issues, and shooting rampages.
bullsheet

Ilion, NY

#8 Dec 13, 2012
Plain & simple, criminals do not abide by gun control laws...pointless conversation.
bullsheet

Ilion, NY

#9 Dec 13, 2012
Join em wrote:
Perhaps it's not the availability of guns which is the problem.
Maybe it is the proliferation of ugly, big-box, automobile-dependent, all-the-same, dehumanizing shopping malls that is the problem.
Food for thought. When's the last time you ever heard of anyone going on a shooting rampage on a nice, human-scale, walkable Main Street shopping district?
I'm serious about this. The way we design and lay out our space definitely affects the way people act in those spaces.
Virginia Tech

Since: Nov 11

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#10 Dec 13, 2012
bullsheet wrote:
Plain & simple, criminals do not abide by gun control laws...pointless conversation.
Tautological reasoning at its best
Ya Buddy

Albany, NY

#11 Dec 13, 2012
CoffinMaker wrote:
Its not the availability of guns that's the problem, its the seemingly ever increasing inclination to use them that is the problem.
I posted my earlier link not so much to be humorous, but to bring attention to the endemic mental health issues in modern western society (its not just the USA by the way)that are one of the two primary causes of increased gunshot injuries and fatalities, the other being the black market drug culture.
Unfortunately for the NRA and everybody else, society (both politically and culturally) usually prefers to deal with the visible symptoms of a problem rather than the problem itself.
So long as we combine:(1)a failure to recognize that modern technology enables perhaps 50% of the available work force to produce virtually all the goods and services required by society and that a labor surplus is a permanent feature of our economic systems; and (2) valuing a person's worth and dignity largely by the economic fruits of his labor,-- society will produce an ever increasing number of "failures" with growing mental health issues.
You are absolutely right. Our culture is playing a zero-sum game and as long as that continues there will always be a herd of pissed-off losers willing to even the score.

"Non-zero" -Richard Wright.
bullsheet

Ilion, NY

#12 Dec 13, 2012
CoffinMaker wrote:
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Tautological reasoning at its best
Coffin - how else would you say it?

How's this...people who break the law, or intend to break the law, do not care if there is a law prohibiting what they intend to do.

Or maybe this...gun laws are only followed by law-abiding citizens.

Or this...don't take a knife to a gun fight.
Observation

Little Falls, NY

#13 Dec 13, 2012
One of the worst things about Topix is how morons see fit to just jump into conservations with their intellectual betters.
self evident

Ilion, NY

#14 Dec 13, 2012
Observation wrote:
One of the worst things about Topix is how morons see fit to just jump into conservations with their intellectual betters.
Agree, as self-evident by your comment.

“Do SOMETHING !!!”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#15 Dec 13, 2012
If you outlaw guns... only outlaws will have guns.
PERHAPS...
But then they'll be easier to find.
And you can lock folks up... just for carrying.

Carrying a handgun...
If you have no legitimate reason...
would mean, by definition, that you are looking for trouble.
bullsheet

Ilion, NY

#16 Dec 13, 2012
UTLT wrote:
If you outlaw guns... only outlaws will have guns.
PERHAPS...
But then they'll be easier to find.
And you can lock folks up... just for carrying.
Carrying a handgun...
If you have no legitimate reason...
would mean, by definition, that you are looking for trouble.
Wow UTLT, you are ignoring our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms. Why should ANY law-abiding citizen be forced to give up their right to defend their person, family & property?

Lock folks up just for carrying...so we now have technology that we'll turn on everybody to see if they have a gun on their person, in their vehicle or in their home? What does that sound like to you?
Abort the Crapper

Little Falls, NY

#17 Dec 13, 2012
West Coast Rapper wrote:
In light of the shootings last night in the Portland, Oregon shopping mall, what are your thoughts on gun control? The US had 12.000+ deaths in 2011 caused by fire arms. How many people need to die before we fix this epidemic in the US?
There were actually 31,347 firearm-related deaths in 2011, which I guess qualifies as "12.000+."

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

And I know, I know, guns don't kill people, people do. Here's a question for you: have you ever heard of 12 people getting stabbed to death in a movie theater?
Abort the Crapper

Little Falls, NY

#18 Dec 13, 2012
bullsheet wrote:
Wow UTLT, you are ignoring our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms. Why should ANY law-abiding citizen be forced to give up their right to defend their person, family & property?
The right to keep and bear arms is not absolute, just ask Justice Saclia, the most conservative member of the Supreme Court:

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#19 Dec 13, 2012
bullsheet wrote:
<quoted text>
Coffin - how else would you say it?
How's this...people who break the law, or intend to break the law, do not care if there is a law prohibiting what they intend to do.
Or maybe this...gun laws are only followed by law-abiding citizens.
Or this...don't take a knife to a gun fight.
The first 2....nothing new....the third should be listened to by you.
bullsheet

Ilion, NY

#20 Dec 13, 2012
CoffinMaker wrote:
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The first 2....nothing new....the third should be listened to by you.
The group with the most guns, and the willingness to use them, wins.

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