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8,786,049: Yet Another Record for Americans Collecting Disability

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Indy

Denver, CO

#1 Sep 17, 2012
The Social Security Administration has released new data revealing that 8,786,049 American workers are collecting federal disability insurance payments in September. That sets yet another record for the number of Americans on disability.

The 8,786,049 workers taking federal disability in September is a net increase of 18,108 from the 8,767,941 workers who took federal disability in August.

Over the past 45 years, the number of American workers taking federal disability payments has increased four-fold relative to the number actually working.

In August 1967, 74,767,000 Americans were working (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics) and 1,152,861 were taking federal disability insurance (according to the Social Security Administration). That means that at that time there were about 65 Americans working for each worker collecting disability.

In August 2012, 142,101,000 Americans were working and 8,767,941 were on disability--meaning there were only 16.2 people working for each person collecting disability.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), a record 88,921,000 Americans were “not in the labor force” in August. These were Americans who were at least 16 years old, who were not in the military or in an institution such as a prison or a nursing home, and who did not have a job and had not actively sought one in the last four weeks.

Also in August, according to the BLS, only 63.5 percent of the civilian population (those over 16, who were not in the military or in an institution) participated in the labor force. That was the lowest level of labor force participation in 31 years. To participate in the labor force a person must either have a job or at least be actively trying to find one.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8786049-yet-a...
gringo

Herkimer, NY

#2 Sep 18, 2012
no wonder the mexicans have no problem finding jobs
Safety First

Albany, NY

#3 Sep 18, 2012
Maybe "Workplace Safety" should be taught in High School.

We need graduates with survival skills.



Sarah Ballpalsy

Herkimer, NY

#4 Sep 18, 2012
Indy wrote:
The Social Security Administration has released new data revealing that 8,786,049 American workers are collecting federal disability insurance payments in September. That sets yet another record for the number of Americans on disability.
The 8,786,049 workers taking federal disability in September is a net increase of 18,108 from the 8,767,941 workers who took federal disability in August.
First of all, that statistic is not correct. According to the Social Security Administration, 5,393,218 people were receiving federal disability payments in July 2012, and this number includes people who are blind. So your statement is simply factually incorrect.(Your first clue should have been that the SSA has not even released those statistics yet for August and September)

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/ssi_...
Indy wrote:
Over the past 45 years, the number of American workers taking federal disability payments has increased four-fold relative to the number actually working.
In August 1967, 74,767,000 Americans were working (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics) and 1,152,861 were taking federal disability insurance (according to the Social Security Administration). That means that at that time there were about 65 Americans working for each worker collecting disability.
In August 2012, 142,101,000 Americans were working and 8,767,941 were on disability
Neither of these numbers is correct. In August 2012, 154,645,000 Americans were working. As stated above, the August numbers for those on federal disability are not available yet, but the number will be nowhere near that.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.a.htm

Furthermore, in August of 2012, there about 28.3 people working for every person receiving federal disability benefits, which is not a four-fold increase over August of 1967.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat01.htm

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/ssi_...
Indy wrote:
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), a record 88,921,000 Americans were “not in the labor force” in August. These were Americans who were at least 16 years old, who were not in the military or in an institution such as a prison or a nursing home, and who did not have a job and had not actively sought one in the last four weeks.
Wow, you mean record numbers of people are out of work during the worst recession in 80 years? You have to be kidding me. As I will show below, this number is meaningless. The U.S. civilian labor force also hit a record in June, I don't see you screaming and hollering about that.
Indy wrote:
Also in August, according to the BLS, only 63.5 percent of the civilian population (those over 16, who were not in the military or in an institution) participated in the labor force. That was the lowest level of labor force participation in 31 years. To participate in the labor force a person must either have a job or at least be actively trying to find one.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8786049-yet-a...
This number is statistically insignificant. In August of 2002 the number was 66.6%. In other words, the percentage of Americans participating in the labor force has decreased somewhere between 4.5 and 5% in total over the last decade. That's right about a half a percent a year. Big whoop.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/history/empsi...

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/emps...
Sarah Ballpalsy

Herkimer, NY

#5 Sep 18, 2012
It took me 30 minutes to do all of this research. My suggestion would be not to believe everything you read.
Noah Pinyon

Ilion, NY

#6 Sep 18, 2012
Sarah Ballpalsy wrote:
It took me 30 minutes to do all of this research. My suggestion would be not to believe everything you read.
It is indisputable that the unemployment rate in states with Republican Governors is lower than in states with Democrat Governors - 7.6% vs. 8.8%...no matter how you spin it.

willingidiot

Fort Plain, NY

#7 Sep 19, 2012
Sarah Ballpalsy wrote:
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First of all, that statistic is not correct. According to the Social Security Administration, 5,393,218 people were receiving federal disability payments in July 2012, and this number includes people who are blind. So your statement is simply factually incorrect.(Your first clue should have been that the SSA has not even released those statistics yet for August and September)
http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/ssi_...
<quoted text>
Neither of these numbers is correct. In August 2012, 154,645,000 Americans were working. As stated above, the August numbers for those on federal disability are not available yet, but the number will be nowhere near that.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.a.htm
Furthermore, in August of 2012, there about 28.3 people working for every person receiving federal disability benefits, which is not a four-fold increase over August of 1967.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat01.htm
http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/ssi_...
<quoted text>
Wow, you mean record numbers of people are out of work during the worst recession in 80 years? You have to be kidding me. As I will show below, this number is meaningless. The U.S. civilian labor force also hit a record in June, I don't see you screaming and hollering about that.
<quoted text>
This number is statistically insignificant. In August of 2002 the number was 66.6%. In other words, the percentage of Americans participating in the labor force has decreased somewhere between 4.5 and 5% in total over the last decade. That's right about a half a percent a year. Big whoop.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/history/empsi...
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/emps...
Willingtotalk (willy), time after these alarming statistics come out, you always counter contrary views and party line statistics that ALWAYS come out wrong. I know you don't get out much because you're on here all day trolling. You need to get out more,and see how people live. Do you you know how many families that have kids with autism and spectrum disorders? Your system has taught young women that they are entitled to pop out children and their bad decisions will be subsidized and their offspring will be provided with income, and medical care that will lobotomize them with immunizations.
They are also entitled and will need some sort of assistance for the rest of their lives. That number is going up drastically. Some time ago You balked at my premise that manufacturing jobs will not come back because of automation. That is happening in China right now. What does that mean? Less people paying into the system. Illegal immigrants entitled to because of tax loopholes, getting refunds that they're not entitled to. http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/tax-loopho...
Not to mention the anchor babies that are getting assistance, SSDI etc.
The ones who did dutifully pay into the system, who see that they will never be reimbursed, and not yet retired walking wounded, are saying fuck it and applying for their disability entitlements. How is it that you can still after all these years of one failure after another,by your ilk, overwhelming the socialist "safety system", you can still defend it? You're really fucking delusional.
Sarah Ballpalsy

Herkimer, NY

#8 Sep 19, 2012
Noah Pinyon wrote:
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It is indisputable that the unemployment rate in states with Republican Governors is lower than in states with Democrat Governors - 7.6% vs. 8.8%...no matter how you spin it.
Strawman.
Sarah Ballpalsy

Herkimer, NY

#9 Sep 19, 2012
willingidiot wrote:
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Willingtotalk (willy), time after these alarming statistics come out, you always counter contrary views and party line statistics that ALWAYS come out wrong.
Point out one statistic listed above that is factually incorrect. I provided a source for every one of them.
willingidiot

Fort Plain, NY

#10 Sep 19, 2012
Sarah Ballpalsy wrote:
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Point out one statistic listed above that is factually incorrect. I provided a source for every one of them.
sources? From who? A criminal government or NGO that controls the information? Pfft.
Sarah Ballpalsy

Herkimer, NY

#11 Sep 19, 2012
willingidiot wrote:
<quoted text> sources? From who? A criminal government or NGO that controls the information? Pfft.
Ah, yes, the 2+2 does not equal 4 argument. That one is tough to overcome. I love how every time you get proven wrong (which is all the time), you simply state the sky is not in fact blue. Nice trick.
willingidiot

Fort Plain, NY

#12 Sep 19, 2012
Sarah Ballpalsy wrote:
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Ah, yes, the 2+2 does not equal 4 argument. That one is tough to overcome. I love how every time you get proven wrong (which is all the time), you simply state the sky is not in fact blue. Nice trick.
Projecting. Nice trick. LMAO! You're so predictable
willingidiot

Fort Plain, NY

#13 Sep 19, 2012
" By keeping interest rates at exceptionally low levels, the Federal Reserve is absolutely crushing savers and is systematically destroying Social Security. Meanwhile, the inflation that QE3 will cause is going to be absolutely crippling for the millions upon millions of retired Americans that are on a fixed income. Sadly, most elderly Americans have no idea what the Federal Reserve is doing to their financial futures."

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/t...
I'm waiting with baited breath willy.:P
Rich guy

Albany, NY

#14 Sep 19, 2012
One for you$, two for me$.

Maybe if we paid them a LIVING WAGE they wouldn't be compelled to suck off the system.
willingidiot

Fort Plain, NY

#15 Sep 19, 2012
Sarah Ballpalsy wrote:
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Ah, yes, the 2+2 does not equal 4 argument. That one is tough to overcome. I love how every time you get proven wrong (which is all the time), you simply state the sky is not in fact blue. Nice trick.
OK I'll play your silly game, what have you "proven me wrong" with?
willingidiot

Fort Plain, NY

#16 Sep 19, 2012
Rich guy wrote:
One for you$, two for me$.
Maybe if we paid them a LIVING WAGE they wouldn't be compelled to suck off the system.
That will never happen in today's global environment. Too many governmental subsidized illegal immigrants, and corporate welfare subsidies to leave for china.
Indy

Denver, CO

#17 Sep 19, 2012

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!

I'll bet Ms. Peggy Joseph has already hopped on the S.S.Disability band wagon - it probably pays better than welfare.
Noah Filiation

Ilion, NY

#18 Sep 19, 2012
Sarah Ballpalsy wrote:
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Point out one statistic listed above that is factually incorrect. I provided a source for every one of them.
Okay, here's #1) Your "fact" that "In August 2012, 154,645,000 Americans were working" is wrong. The number you quoted is the total civilian labor force, not the total employed.

Here's #2) Your "fact" that "5,393,218 people were receiving federal disability payments in July 2012" is only half the story. The whole story is that in July 2012, 8,225,892 are receiving SSI Federally Administered Payments. http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/ssi_...

Get your facts straight (#1 above) and report the whole truth (#2 above).
Sarah Ballpalsy

Herkimer, NY

#19 Sep 19, 2012
willingidiot wrote:
<quoted text> OK I'll play your silly game, what have you "proven me wrong" with?
Fail. You said "Willingtotalk (willy), time after these alarming statistics come out, you always counter contrary views and party line statistics that ALWAYS come out wrong." I asked you to point out one statistic I listed that was factually incorrect. I'm still waiting. I'm not going to get into another one of these circular arguments with you. It's all you do, because you don't have an argument to stand on.
Sarah Ballpalsy

Herkimer, NY

#20 Sep 19, 2012
Noah Filiation wrote:
Okay, here's #1) Your "fact" that "In August 2012, 154,645,000 Americans were working" is wrong. The number you quoted is the total civilian labor force, not the total employed.
You're absolutely correct, I misread the table.
Noah Filiation wrote:
Here's #2) Your "fact" that "5,393,218 people were receiving federal disability payments in July 2012" is only half the story. The whole story is that in July 2012, 8,225,892 are receiving SSI Federally Administered Payments. http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/ssi_...
Get your facts straight (#1 above) and report the whole truth (#2 above).
My fact is a fact. The OP stated "8,767,941 workers [...] took federal disability in August". That is incorrect. Not only are the August numbers not even out yet, but the number I gave for people receiving federal disability payments in July 2012 is 100% accurate. The chart you are referencing is not for disability payments. To quote you directly: get your facts straight.

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