Marc

Syracuse, NY

#523 Feb 1, 2010
Mark Leskovec wrote:
Yes, does anyone have any updates to add? I was in Little Falls in late December 2009, and I have heard that the property has been completely off limits (enforced) to the public, and rightfully so. As locals might have noticed, there was a large light-up star on the roof, indicating that some type of limited electricity is supplied to the property, maybe by extension cord from the carriage house.
Other than that, I've been quite uninformed since Tomaso took ownership.
The west end of the porch collapsed and the rest isn't far behind.
You can't drive around the place in the winter and its a safe bet the police aren't getting out of a warm car to patrol on foot.
With leaking ceilings, warped floors and no electricity the building isn't habitable. Sad yes, but unless Jamie hit the lotto and I missed it, the only use for the property will be to tear it down and erect a new place on the old site.
cityman

Cropseyville, NY

#524 Feb 2, 2010
Yes indeed to my knowledge it was sold this fall and they are still waiting for the official closing. The people who auctioned off its original fictures along with some of the original furniture that was left by the family are not the same party recieving the grant so no worries. The grant has been approved to the new owner upon closing for its preservation and restoration back to its original condition, and for those who wish to visit he is intending to open it up as a public resturant ;)
Concerned Mountie

United States

#525 Feb 2, 2010
cityman wrote:
Yes indeed to my knowledge it was sold this fall and they are still waiting for the official closing. The people who auctioned off its original fictures along with some of the original furniture that was left by the family are not the same party recieving the grant so no worries. The grant has been approved to the new owner upon closing for its preservation and restoration back to its original condition, and for those who wish to visit he is intending to open it up as a public resturant ;)
Thanks for the update, but where did you hear it from? And what grant is this? Where's the money coming from? It must be a fairly significant grant to be able to fully restore the mansion if this is true.
cityman

Constableville, NY

#526 Feb 3, 2010
The grant is coming from the state. It falls into the same category as the old school in cornhill. It is an effort to save some of these beautiful old buildings we have here in the valley. I am not sure if he has recieved it but do know he applied, just hope it all comes through for him. It would be a great testimate to the history of our area as well as a great asset to the city of little falls.
Comment

Albany, NY

#527 Feb 5, 2010
Marc wrote:
<quoted text>
The west end of the porch collapsed and the rest isn't far behind.
You can't drive around the place in the winter and its a safe bet the police aren't getting out of a warm car to patrol on foot.
With leaking ceilings, warped floors and no electricity the building isn't habitable. Sad yes, but unless Jamie hit the lotto and I missed it, the only use for the property will be to tear it down and erect a new place on the old site.
Haaa, nothing like the positive thinkers that live in Central New York. A haven of positive doers and thinkers! A place unique in all of the United States.....
Concerned Mountie

United States

#528 Feb 6, 2010
Well, grants like that are quite difficult to receive. We should all hope he gets it, or lose one of the most historic sites in Little Falls.

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#529 Feb 6, 2010
Seems like a grant would be a sure thing for the mansion, carriage house, and landscaping. I'd bet it qualifies for a number other grants as well.

Since: Dec 09

Mohawk

#530 Feb 6, 2010
lshmaeI wrote:
Seems like a grant would be a sure thing for the mansion, carriage house, and landscaping. I'd bet it qualifies for a number other grants as well.
Has the Mansion ever been listed as a National or State Historical Landmark? If not, don't look for many grants that may be available. If memory serves me, various organizations attempted to get grants for the rehab of the mansion over the years but were unable to procur any. You have this misconception that there is a deep well of grants for every little thing Ish. Sadly that is just not the case. The grant process and required documention is overwhelming for the average lay person. AND as you have been told on numerous occassions on other threads, many of grants require a 10 to 50% matching funds on the part of the owner.

How many grants have you personally applied for Ish? I have personally written over 25 grants for non profits in the past 3 years. It's clear to me you have no idea what the process truly entails.

Since: Dec 09

Mohawk

#531 Feb 6, 2010
cityman wrote:
Yes indeed to my knowledge it was sold this fall and they are still waiting for the official closing. The people who auctioned off its original fictures along with some of the original furniture that was left by the family are not the same party recieving the grant so no worries. The grant has been approved to the new owner upon closing for its preservation and restoration back to its original condition, and for those who wish to visit he is intending to open it up as a public resturant ;)
Doesn't the owner actually live in the carriage house as we speak? The closing was done awhile back. I'm not sure where you are getting your information.

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#532 Feb 7, 2010
SilverRAV4 wrote:
<quoted text>
Has the Mansion ever been listed as a National or State Historical Landmark? If not, don't look for many grants that may be available. If memory serves me, various organizations attempted to get grants for the rehab of the mansion over the years but were unable to procur any. You have this misconception that there is a deep well of grants for every little thing Ish. Sadly that is just not the case. The grant process and required documention is overwhelming for the average lay person. AND as you have been told on numerous occassions on other threads, many of grants require a 10 to 50% matching funds on the part of the owner.
How many grants have you personally applied for Ish? I have personally written over 25 grants for non profits in the past 3 years. It's clear to me you have no idea what the process truly entails.
None.
But I seem to have a knack for finding them.
I thought the city tried to get that listed as historical a few years ago? Is it yet?
I'm familiar with matching funds, and agree they are not for most if any of our situations.
Have you applied for any federal grants?
Paperwork smaperwork --I don't care. The people that DID get the grants probably did somethings you did not do, like schmooze them.
Do you even know the name of the person that shot yours down?Whatever they did, it was surely more than paperwork.
Have you networked with at least our neighboring communities to make sure you arn't all competing for the same grant? It's uauually better for neighbors to COLLABORATE for DIFFERENT grants from different agencies.
What is your take on why it's so hard? If it's that hard it's a broken process and should be fixed or avoided. I am sure they are very time consuming, especially if they are done right. However, given the time I have spent researching the subject and grants available I am certain that our mayor and alderpeople need a raise, and computers. It could be a fulltime job for anyone.
Maybe the Mayor needs an XO, like a permanent professional city manager.
What's up with the closing? Is it still available?
Another thought

United States

#533 Feb 7, 2010
The owner lives in the carriage house and closing was done in the fall.He has done the carriage over so it's livable.
The new owner is very educated in grants and is applying for some I believe.Remember some grants have to be tied back to a non profit or have qualifications on them as to what exactly the property can do and can't do. That might not might the owners vision of his property.

Since: Dec 09

Mohawk

#534 Feb 7, 2010
lshmaeI wrote:
<quoted text>
None.
But I seem to have a knack for finding them.
I thought the city tried to get that listed as historical a few years ago? Is it yet?
I'm familiar with matching funds, and agree they are not for most if any of our situations.
Have you applied for any federal grants?
Paperwork smaperwork --I don't care. The people that DID get the grants probably did somethings you did not do, like schmooze them.
Do you even know the name of the person that shot yours down?Whatever they did, it was surely more than paperwork.
Have you networked with at least our neighboring communities to make sure you arn't all competing for the same grant? It's uauually better for neighbors to COLLABORATE for DIFFERENT grants from different agencies.
What is your take on why it's so hard? If it's that hard it's a broken process and should be fixed or avoided. I am sure they are very time consuming, especially if they are done right. However, given the time I have spent researching the subject and grants available I am certain that our mayor and alderpeople need a raise, and computers. It could be a fulltime job for anyone.
Maybe the Mayor needs an XO, like a permanent professional city manager.
What's up with the closing? Is it still available?
It's clear you have NO idea what you are talking about.

* Finding grants does not imply that your organization is eligible to apply
* Many grants have very short windows from the opening of the application process to the application deadline
* Where did you get the idea that my organization did not receive any of the grants we have applied for? Our track record is dam good. The biggest problem we have faced is that while the grant was approved the actual funding for the grant was held up for 9 months.
* A typical completed grant request can range from 4 sections to 15 sections all requiring budgets, marketing plans, answering each of the items listed in the grant.
* All grant review process is done through a Committee, who's identites are non made public. There is typically a Grants Administrator or a contact person available to answer questions or clarify guidelines. The Administrators are not on the Grant Committee. Many grantors will not provide information as to why you were turned down. Other grantors will only approve a portion of the requested moneys if you have a lower rank. You get a letter "Too Bad So Sad".
* You have this little notion of schmoozing - that tactic went out a very very long time ago. Grantors want well written, comprehensive proposals. Grants are awarded based on an extensive point system- no through backroom glad handing.
* It's hard because the grant pie is getting smaller and smaller. The resulting pieces get smaller as well. A good grant writer has to somehow make their grant proposal stick out not run of the mill.
* My grant writing is specially geared towards private foundations, philathropic groups, the State of New York in several areas, and in one instance with the Federal Government.
* Our organization is part of the community - we don't go after grants we know there is no snowball chance in hell of receiving. In addition, our Mission and Charter as a non profit doesn't compete with any of the drivel you put forth.

You are amusing on the rhetoric but lousy on the execution. Try finding, writing and putting together a grant request. THEN come back and talk.

P.S. Avalon and before them Dave Carlson, were PAID to write the grants. They have the experience and are capable grant writers. THOSE are the groups who should be doing the Federal, HUD, Restore, etc grant writing not a bunch of well meaning rank amateurs who are Alderpeople and the Mayor. Again, you have NO IDEA of what you are talking about.

Since: Dec 09

Mohawk

#535 Feb 7, 2010
Ish,

Don't you read the papers? The closing for the Mansion was recorded this fall and was listed in the real estate transactions in the OD

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#536 Feb 7, 2010
Sounds like you got schmoozed. What did ya get?$30%? Not bad for a non-*profit.

Anyway ya, schmooze didn't work. I meant the new schmooze, show up with a clever network and a tax auditor.
I think

New York, NY

#537 Feb 7, 2010
We're getting close. As posted above, property was listed in the OD as being sold. About a month ago, a story in LF Times stated the Mansion was nominated for placement as a NYS Historical site. It was the only property in Herkimer County that made it past the first phase for nomination.
The carriage house has a new electrical entrance, heating system, all plumbing replaced, new kitchen, bathroom and walls and ceiling they needed to be replaced where.
How do I know this? I was curious and drove up there. Mr. Tomaso, was outside. Nice guy. He was about to go in the mansion and invited me in... unbelievable.
As posted earlier. there wasn't a warped floor in the place. There was a leak in the roof in the rear of the mansion and that was fixed in the fall.
Stained glass, wood work and the biggest fire place I have ever seen, intact.
Instead of guessing, drive up there. He told me has has taken 100's of people through the mansion since he purchased it. Mostly from out of state. He realizes it's multi year project but he seemed up for it.

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#538 Feb 7, 2010
SilverRAV4 wrote:
Ish,
Don't you read the papers? The closing for the Mansion was recorded this fall and was listed in the real estate transactions in the OD
That's what I thought. Someone's just starting something.

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#539 Feb 7, 2010
SilverRAV4 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's clear you have NO idea what you are talking about.
* Finding grants does not imply that your organization is eligible to apply
Well duh! Did ANYONE here not know that?

You just crack me up.
bridges

AOL

#540 Feb 7, 2010
lshmaeI wrote:
Sounds like you got schmoozed. What did ya get?$30%? Not bad for a non-*profit.
Anyway ya, schmooze didn't work. I meant the new schmooze, show up with a clever network and a tax auditor.
You don't show up anywhere. You mail the grant proposal. The organization's 990 is submitted. The grants committee assigns points for the grant proposal taking into account many different aspects of the grant. The good ol boy network doesn't work except in one area - the Legislative Item program set up by the NYS Senate. Locally the requests go to Senator Seward's office. Because of the taters of the State budget, this local pork barrel funding is a shadow of it's former self. Man, you really have no idea what you are talking about. Silver has you pegged as a piker who is all mouth and no experience. Hope you are enjoying the Monday morning quarterback position in life.

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#541 Feb 7, 2010
Hey, I never said get money from the state. China is more likely to help us than they are.

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#543 Feb 7, 2010
Anyway, this is the wrong thread for this stuff.
I will try and be at the next counsil meeting.

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