Little Falls Hospital Tax Status
Bob Dylan

Ilion, NY

#21 Oct 15, 2012
That is a LIE wrote:
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FACTS:
The hospital is a 501c3 charity non-profit organization. The City Assessor has NO business taxing it.
The YMCA (to include the Co-Op) is a 501c3 charity non-profit organization. The City Assessor has NO business taxing it.
It sounds like you want the City Assessor to take responsibility for the Police functions in Little Falls, the Codes functions in Little Falls, and now the Planning Board in Little Falls. You are a crazy man.
If the Mayor is not doing his / her job then you call for them to resign.

If the Code Enforcer is not doing his / her job then you call for them to resign.

If the Police Chief or Fire Chief are not doing their job then you call for them to resign.

If the Assessor IS doing their job then you also call for them to resign?

Are you selectively enforcing here Tinker Bell?

Question 3 & 4 -- Federal Income Tax Exemption Status

Most of the organizations exempt from property taxes under section 420-a and section 420-b of the Real Property Tax Law are exempt from federal income taxes under section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code. However, exempt status under the Internal Revenue Code is not conclusive with regard to exempt status under the Real Property Tax Law.

Question 11 - Hospitals

Question 11, relevant only to hospitals, is designed to show whether a portion of the property is being used by doctors for their private practices. Where a portion of the property is being so used, that portion is subject to taxation.

Question 12 - Regular Use by Others

Although the property must be used for exempt purposes, it need not be so used by the owning organization itself. The property may continue to receive the exemption if it is regularly used by an organization which would be exempt pursuant to either section 420-a or section 420-b if it owned the property. The exemption may also be granted if the property is regularly used for purposes exempt pursuant to sections: 406 (municipal corporations); 408 (school districts and BOCES); 416 (United Nations); 422 (not-for-profit housing companies); 424 (institutes of arts and sciences); 426 (opera houses); 428 (fraternal organizations); 430 (interdenominational centers); 450 (agricultural societies); or for civil defense purposes pursuant to the New York State Defense Emergency Act (L.1951, c.784). However, the rental income received by the owning organization may not exceed the carrying, maintenance and depreciation charges of the rented portion of the property. Question 12 is designed to elicit this information.

If a portion is leased to or used by a corporation or association which would not be entitled to any of these exemptions, that portion is taxable.

So, you are critical of the assessor for doing her job because her job may be to assess the potential property tax burden of one of your favorite things?

You sure you don't have a dog in this fight?
Spam - Please Delete

New York, NY

#22 Oct 15, 2012
Bob Dylan wrote:
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If the Mayor is not doing his / her job then you call for them to resign.
You must like the sound of your own voice, since you posted this exact same LONG diatribe on another thread. Spamming the forums is RUDE, so please don't do it.
Bob Dylan

Ilion, NY

#23 Oct 15, 2012
Spam - Please Delete wrote:
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You must like the sound of your own voice, since you posted this exact same LONG diatribe on another thread. Spamming the forums is RUDE, so please don't do it.
Nope, not spamming just making sure that you have read it. I see you have and offer no defense for your unfair actions of defaming the assessor for actually doing her job?

When someone takes the time to follow YOU from thread to thread you call them a troll and a spammer for pointing out YOUR defamations? You are laughable.
Anyway

New York, NY

#24 Oct 15, 2012
Back to the topic at hand. People are reporting on Topix that the assessor is taking action to start taxing the Little Falls hospital. That is alarming, because the LF Hospital is a 501c3 non-profit organization.
Dylan to Anyway

Ilion, NY

#25 Oct 15, 2012
"People are reporting on Topix" so you have no proof? Figures. Maybe the assessor is doing her job by asking question #11 out of the manual?

Question 11 - Hospitals

Question 11, relevant only to hospitals, is designed to show whether a portion of the property is being used by doctors for their private practices. Where a portion of the property is being so used, that portion is subject to taxation.

Sounds like you just don't like certain laws so you berate anyone with the job to enforce them?

Do you see the line "portion of the property?" Does this mean "the entire hospital?"

Nope, chicken little, it does not.
Yokel Farmer

New York, NY

#26 Oct 15, 2012
Dylan to Anyway wrote:
Do you see the line "portion of the property?" Does this mean "the entire hospital?"
No matter how hard you beat on that there dead horse, son, it ain't gonna move any faster.
Facts please

Geneva, NY

#27 Jan 21, 2013
is there a link anyone has to anything showing that the tax status of bassett or the hospital is being officially challenged?
true dat

New York, NY

#28 Jan 22, 2013
Facts please wrote:
is there a link anyone has to anything showing that the tax status of bassett or the hospital is being officially challenged?
Funny, isn't it, how the local propaganda rag has no interest in reporting on a lawsuit the city lost? Beth knows which side of the toast gets the butter, I guess.
Huh

New York, NY

#29 Jan 22, 2013
Facts please wrote:
is there a link anyone has to anything showing that the tax status of bassett or the hospital is being officially challenged?
I never read anything in the Behind the Times about it, but everyone in city government and at the hospital talked about it. Then they talked about how the judge made the city back down and take the hospital back off the tax roll again. And Bobby mentioned it himself at the last council meeting. I wonder how much the city is spending on lawyers for these cases against the hospital, the Y, the hotel and that other case but I forget who it is against?
Angry at LF Times

Herkimer, NY

#30 Jan 22, 2013
Huh wrote:
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I never read anything in the Behind the Times about it, but everyone in city government and at the hospital talked about it. Then they talked about how the judge made the city back down and take the hospital back off the tax roll again. And Bobby mentioned it himself at the last council meeting. I wonder how much the city is spending on lawyers for these cases against the hospital, the Y, the hotel and that other case but I forget who it is against?
This is real news, why isn't the Times covering any of it??? Why do I have to go on Topix to read any relevant local news?
gonuts donuts

Little Falls, NY

#31 Jan 22, 2013
The paper NEVER covers anything which might makes Peters look bad. NEVER. They print whatever he says,,and when, as it generally goes, it turns out to be untrue, there is never a follow up or a retraction or anything like journalism. What a POS.
Facts please

Geneva, NY

#32 Jan 22, 2013
true dat wrote:
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Funny, isn't it, how the local propaganda rag has no interest in reporting on a lawsuit the city lost? Beth knows which side of the toast gets the butter, I guess.
Ok, now we're getting somewhere. What lawsuit/filed where? Thanks
Le Sigh

New York, NY

#33 Jan 23, 2013
Facts please wrote:
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Ok, now we're getting somewhere. What lawsuit/filed where? Thanks
Can't give you any links because our worthless and lazy propaganda rag that masquerades as a newspaper won't print any news that makes city hall look bad. But the City put certain hospital properties on the tax roll, the hospital appealed to the rubber stamp assessor board which of course denied the appeal, and then the hospital sued. Late last year Judge Norman Seigel basically threw the City of of court and mocked their pathetic position, and the City agreed to remove the hospital property from the tax rolls again, so I guess this was all done without a formal ruling. At some point, this same judge will rule in the YMCA case. I do not know which judge has the other two or three cases that have come about recently as property owners sued the city for its novel interpretation of RPTL.

We have a special needs mayor, a city attorney who fancies himself the power behind the throne, an assessor who likes reinventing the NYS RPTL to suit her fancies, and we have a dysfunctional assessor board. In Little Falls, the citizens have to resort to the courts to seek protection from a local government running amok. It's so sad, really.

FWIW, the City is using classic divide and conquer tactics here, by getting the non-profits to sue one by one, rather than standing together. And some non-profits, like that poor AOG church, couldn't afford to hire a lawyer, so they just gave up and let the City take their lunch money. Also even if the City loses ten lawsuits, they are bound to win one, which they will then use to threaten all other non-profits back onto the tax rolls.
Le Sigh

New York, NY

#34 Jan 23, 2013
Facts please wrote:
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Ok, now we're getting somewhere. What lawsuit/filed where? Thanks
Where is Oneida County Supreme Court.
Also

United States

#35 Jan 23, 2013
gonuts donuts wrote:
The paper NEVER covers anything which might makes Peters look bad. NEVER. They print whatever he says,,and when, as it generally goes, it turns out to be untrue, there is never a follow up or a retraction or anything like journalism. What a POS.
What do you mean? Look at how closely they've covered the Garden Street fiasco.
LFRI

Little Falls, NY

#37 Jan 24, 2013
Call the county, city or school. If the tax status changed they are collecting taxes on the new building.
On County webite

United States

#38 Jan 24, 2013
LFRI wrote:
Call the county, city or school. If the tax status changed they are collecting taxes on the new building.
http://herkimercounty.sdgnys.com/viewlist.asp...

Dept
Real Property
County Property Record
City of Little Falls
Burwell St
tax

Rome, NY

#39 Jan 25, 2013
Called the school business office today, the city did lose, the school had to give money back to the hospital.
true

Herkimer, NY

#40 Jan 25, 2013
tax wrote:
Called the school business office today, the city did lose, the school had to give money back to the hospital.
But the city really needs that money from the hospital to buy a new vactor!
Mike

Geneva, NY

#41 Feb 28, 2013
Just curious. What are the salaries of the admins for the hospital? My interest in this subject was piqued by the recent article about money and medicine in TIME magazine.

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