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The 45 Percent

Little Falls, NY

#1 Feb 21, 2013
Help! Get rid of Bobby.

Help! Let's get rid of Bobby.

Help, You know this ain't no fun,

Help!

When I voted Bobby in back on election day,

I never needed anybody's help in any way.

But now those days are gone

And Bob's power is insecure

Now I find I've changed my mind

He's lost all his allure.

Help me if you can I'm feeling down,

Cause I voted for this stupid stubborn clown,

How can I convince him to step down?

Won't you please, please help me.

Help me,

Help me, wooo.
Yoko

Little Falls, NY

#2 Feb 21, 2013
All we are saying,
give impeach a chance.
LMAO

Little Falls, NY

#3 Feb 21, 2013
Best topic all year!! BRAVO
The 45 Percent

Little Falls, NY

#4 Feb 22, 2013
And now my town has changed

In oh so many ways.

Asbestos Mountain seems

To shimmer in the haze.

Bob wants to tax the Y,

And tax your fish fry too,

And if you go to church,

He'll slap a tax on you.

Help me if you can I'm feeling down,

Cause I voted for this stupid stubborn clown,

How can I convince him to step down?

Won't you please, please, help me, help me,

Help me, woo.
LF Resident

Utica, NY

#5 Feb 22, 2013
Priceless!
Clayton

Syracuse, NY

#6 Feb 22, 2013
And who do we offer up as next Mayor? Rob? Nice try MSF
wow

Little Falls, NY

#7 Feb 22, 2013
wow are you saying Bobby is the best we can do?????????? or that he is doing a good job??????? YOU need HELP.
UpstateWizard

Manistee, MI

#8 Feb 22, 2013
On what grounds would you impeach a mayor? I mean actual grounds. What has he actually done that would warrant the turmoil of an impeachment movement? I am not being flippant here, I would just like to know.
answer

Little Falls, NY

#9 Feb 22, 2013
UpstateWizard wrote:
On what grounds would you impeach a mayor? I mean actual grounds. What has he actually done that would warrant the turmoil of an impeachment movement? I am not being flippant here, I would just like to know.
Fair enough. Do you remember when he subverted the zoning laws for the Quarry site? Do you remember when he raised our water and sewer bills without consulting the water and sewer board?(and they he had to apologize publically) Do you remember when he tried to sign over a rundown building to a fake software company?(he never did apologize for that one) Do you remember when he promised a parkinglot with iron fencing even, on the site of the former Garden apartments, now fondly called Asbestos Mountain and just sitting there looking worse every year? Do you remember when he yelled at the old lady and drove her to tears? These may be examples of incompetence and foolishness but they may also be examples of illegal activity. Not sure. Sadly all these occurred during his last term and yet he was re-elected.

This term we have seen very little in terms of ideas or "achievements" from him. If he goes against the will of the unanimous Council and tries to keep this case alive, impeachment or calls for resignation will surely come.

I don't think he is impeachable. But he sure is a poor mayor. Wake up, LF.
Clayton

Syracuse, NY

#10 Feb 22, 2013
answer wrote:
<quoted text>
Fair enough. Do you remember when he subverted the zoning laws for the Quarry site? Do you remember when he raised our water and sewer bills without consulting the water and sewer board?(and they he had to apologize publically) Do you remember when he tried to sign over a rundown building to a fake software company?(he never did apologize for that one) Do you remember when he promised a parkinglot with iron fencing even, on the site of the former Garden apartments, now fondly called Asbestos Mountain and just sitting there looking worse every year? Do you remember when he yelled at the old lady and drove her to tears? These may be examples of incompetence and foolishness but they may also be examples of illegal activity. Not sure. Sadly all these occurred during his last term and yet he was re-elected.
This term we have seen very little in terms of ideas or "achievements" from him. If he goes against the will of the unanimous Council and tries to keep this case alive, impeachment or calls for resignation will surely come.
I don't think he is impeachable. But he sure is a poor mayor. Wake up, LF.
Still not enough for impeachment proceedings.
Sea Lawyer

Utica, NY

#11 Feb 22, 2013
Clayton wrote:
<quoted text>Still not enough for impeachment proceedings.
Yes it is. The standard for impeachment in New York State is not "high crimes or misdemeanors." "Maladministration" is the standard here. Google the term and you will see that many acts of Maladminstration have been committed.
Clayton

Syracuse, NY

#14 Feb 22, 2013
Sea Lawyer wrote:
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Yes it is. The standard for impeachment in New York State is not "high crimes or misdemeanors." "Maladministration" is the standard here. Google the term and you will see that many acts of Maladminstration have been committed.
So sorry, but even with all that you hold against the Mayor, your subscription to the belief that impeachment is justified here because of "maladministration" still does not warrant an investigation. You need actual corruption, theft of monies, injustice against the citizens or abuse of power. Not that you don't like him because of personal reasons.This city is already torn apart because of the "good old boys" way of thinking.
Sea Lawyer

Utica, NY

#15 Feb 22, 2013
Clayton wrote:
<quoted text>So sorry, but even with all that you hold against the Mayor, your subscription to the belief that impeachment is justified here because of "maladministration" still does not warrant an investigation. You need actual corruption, theft of monies, injustice against the citizens or abuse of power. Not that you don't like him because of personal reasons.This city is already torn apart because of the "good old boys" way of thinking.
I don't even know the man personally. And, yes, surely no one should be impeached for a simple matter of personal dislike. This is not the case here. I suspect that his maneuverings against the HoHo establishment, whereby he tried to give a City owned building to a vaporware firm, and kicked a longstanding locally owned business out into the snow on a one-week notice, would be considered by most as an abuse of power resulting in an injustice. It is questionable whether a proper due process of eviction was followed in that situation. I also think that most people would see his maneuvering against the YMCA and the AOG church also as abuses of power resulting in an injustice...therefore impeachable maladministration.
Clayton

Syracuse, NY

#16 Feb 22, 2013
Ok, obviously you're going on rumors and Topix post with your shallow knowledge of recent history. HO HO'S was given proper notice of the intentions of the city, and of the private sale of the building. The owners of the business(HO HO's) did not want to comply, even when the mayor offered to help relocate them in another building.This tidbit of info was over looked during this whole mess. AND, HoHo's wanted money from the city in the sum of 50 or 60 thousand to help open up another business. If that had happened you all would of had kittens after you had a cow! AND, HOHO's was a roach infested, mold baring, health dept nightmare that the health dept writes text books examples about.The AOG church .... you need to use a facility at least more than once a year to be tax exempt. They failed to do so. Opening up for free pancakes during c-anal days does not grant you tax exemption.
Sea Lawyer

Utica, NY

#17 Feb 22, 2013
Clayton wrote:
Ok, obviously you're going on rumors and Topix post with your shallow knowledge of recent history. HO HO'S was given proper notice of the intentions of the city, and of the private sale of the building. The owners of the business(HO HO's) did not want to comply, even when the mayor offered to help relocate them in another building.This tidbit of info was over looked during this whole mess. AND, HoHo's wanted money from the city in the sum of 50 or 60 thousand to help open up another business. If that had happened you all would of had kittens after you had a cow! AND, HOHO's was a roach infested, mold baring, health dept nightmare that the health dept writes text books examples about.The AOG church .... you need to use a facility at least more than once a year to be tax exempt. They failed to do so. Opening up for free pancakes during c-anal days does not grant you tax exemption.
I hope you don't mind if I sort of change the topic a bit here as you seem to be particularly well informed. If Hoho's was indeed, as you say, such a health department nightmare, and roach infested, I'm curious about how come the health department didn't shut the place down until the Mayor tried to give the building away? Clearly something isn't quite right about that. If it was as bad as you say (and I've no reason to doubt your word here) how come it wasn't shut down long before?
Sea Lawyer

Utica, NY

#18 Feb 22, 2013
In both the cases of Hoho's and the AOG church, what seems to be indicated is that where violations of one sort or another, but that the City didn't take any action whatsoever on those violations until another person became interested in the property. That's no way to run a government, and it smacks of corruption.
Clayton

Syracuse, NY

#19 Feb 22, 2013
When the health dept comes to inspect, they give you so much time to correct the violation. In this case, and ok, maybe the roach infestation was a bit exaggerated,they simply complied enough to get under the radar. There was also a sewage problem with the building that the owner at the time ignored. The city had no choice. The after sale was not the main reason for the eviction. And the AOG church just plain ignored the warnings and let God handle it. Religion as a crutch didn't work here. Why buy a building and not have money to remodel. We've ventured off the original topic here.
Sea Lawyer

Utica, NY

#20 Feb 22, 2013
Clayton wrote:
When the health dept comes to inspect, they give you so much time to correct the violation. In this case, and ok, maybe the roach infestation was a bit exaggerated,they simply complied enough to get under the radar. There was also a sewage problem with the building that the owner at the time ignored. The city had no choice. The after sale was not the main reason for the eviction. And the AOG church just plain ignored the warnings and let God handle it. Religion as a crutch didn't work here. Why buy a building and not have money to remodel. We've ventured off the original topic here.
Thank you for your response. As the entire thread is lark, I don't imagine anyone would mind if we digress a bit.

My understanding is that the City never did transfer title to the Hoho building to the vaporware firm, that is, the City still owns it. Has the sewage problem in the cellar been addressed? Or, have we got a City-owned bacteriological cesspool time-bomb on Main Street? IMWTK.
Clayton

Syracuse, NY

#21 Feb 22, 2013
Sea Lawyer wrote:
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Thank you for your response. As the entire thread is lark, I don't imagine anyone would mind if we digress a bit.
My understanding is that the City never did transfer title to the Hoho building to the vaporware firm, that is, the City still owns it. Has the sewage problem in the cellar been addressed? Or, have we got a City-owned bacteriological cesspool time-bomb on Main Street? IMWTK.
The problem is contained.What city wouldn't make sure the public is not safe from any bio hazard. We need to oust the cancers that plague this city. The Y's a front. The co-op needs to be what it is, a full fledged retail business.They have demoralized and raped this organization into some kind of money laundering scheme. Let's recall the board and start fresh.
wow

Little Falls, NY

#22 Feb 22, 2013
Clayton wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is contained.What city wouldn't make sure the public is not safe from any bio hazard.
Wow Jean Linen and half the city is going to be all over you, sir, like ugly on a gorilla. The city has an exposed asbestos site, remeber? Right downtown? There for several years? Just sittin' there? Not safely roped or fenced off and not labeled? And even if it didn't have asbestos--which it does, just ask Mary Ellen--it is a hazard for kids crawling aroudn on it or the fellows we occasionally see stopping by to help themselves to a few bricks for their new patio.

This city is NOT interested in protecting it's citizens from hazards. Give us a break.

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