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45 colt

Little Falls, NY

#1 Feb 6, 2013
What can the residents of Little Falls do now? A clear majority has shown, and the entire Common Council has voted that we want the lawsuit between the city and the YMCA properties halted.
But the Mayor refuses to buckle and end it. He stated in the OD article that it is, "out of my hands". I would like to verify if this is indeed true. Can the city stop it?
Impeaching the snowplow operator will be difficult. New York State does not have recall laws. All we can do is make sure we have a Council that holds the Mayor to task and forces his hand by keeping 6 votes against him. Render him powerless with a super majority.
Do nothing

Moravia, NY

#2 Feb 6, 2013
Let this died, it will in a couple of days once the mayor is done licking his wounds.
coddle the criminals

Ilion, NY

#3 Feb 6, 2013
45 colt wrote:
What can the residents of Little Falls do now? A clear majority has shown, and the entire Common Council has voted that we want the lawsuit between the city and the YMCA properties halted.
But the Mayor refuses to buckle and end it. He stated in the OD article that it is, "out of my hands". I would like to verify if this is indeed true. Can the city stop it?
Impeaching the snowplow operator will be difficult. New York State does not have recall laws. All we can do is make sure we have a Council that holds the Mayor to task and forces his hand by keeping 6 votes against him. Render him powerless with a super majority.
Yes, by all means drop the action to tax the Y operated rehab druggie AND sex offender houses and the Y operated overpriced, boutique grocery store...that will solve ALL of LF's problems!

Is this really what you want to fight for...a tax exemption for houses that brings criminals into our city by the busload?? I bet you are the same knucklehead that bitches and moans about section 8 housing, slum housing, druggies and trash piles? Ever consider the harm the Y is doing to this city? Will it take one of these Y-imported criminals to sell drugs in your front yard for you to change your mind? How about one of these criminals gets into a drug-induced stupor and attacks some kids or the elderly? WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO WAKE THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY THE EFF UP??? Once the tragedy happens everyone will be wringing their hands and looking for someone to blame...YOU ARE TO BLAME!
45 colt

Little Falls, NY

#4 Feb 6, 2013
And what about the countless families that benefit from the Y, The food pantry that feeds hundreds of low income children, the Y activities that give our children somewhere to go to have fun, play and socialize.
What horrible crimes have been committed by the people you speak of? So no one in this world deserves at least a chance. You speak like you know names , dates and times of the horrible atrocities that these people have committed.]
Have you had a friend or a relative who has ever rehabbed and tried to help themselves. I'd rather live in a world where we give a person who wants and needs help, the help they need. Not turn our back on them because they do not fit in your social system. Why don't we just kill them all right now. If you had your way that's most likely what you would do.
The YMCA has done great things for this city and area for over a century, and and a person like you, with all your banter cannot turn it back.
Indy

Denver, CO

#5 Feb 6, 2013
45 colt wrote:
And what about the countless families that benefit from the Y, The food pantry that feeds hundreds of low income children, the Y activities that give our children somewhere to go to have fun, play and socialize.
The Little Falls YMCA and the city of Little Falls currently are in court over whether YMCA-owned properties should be tax exempt.

The properties include income and emergency housing at 43 Furnace and 544 Garden streets, and a Community Co-op providing natural and specialty foods at discount prices at 589 Albany St.
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The food pantry and the Y itself are Not included - read the article in the Utica OD.
coddle the criminals

Ilion, NY

#6 Feb 6, 2013
45 colt wrote:
What horrible crimes have been committed by the people you speak of? So no one in this world deserves at least a chance. You speak like you know names , dates and times of the horrible atrocities that these people have committed.]
Since you asked:
* Keith Alan Reid, 21, of 544 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested at 555 E. Main St. at 3:27 p.m. and charged with one count of petit larceny based on a complaint filed by a local business alleging that Reid stole property from them.

* Tonya L. Kersey, 27, of 544 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested for second-degree harassment at 3:36 p.m. at her Garden Street residence.

* Annamay I. Leonard, 21, of 544 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested for making a punishable false written statement at 7:51 p.m. at the Little Falls Police Department.

* Amanda L. Larsen, 22, of 544 Garden St., Apt. No. 2, Little Falls, was arrested on a St. Johnsville Village Court issued bench warrant at 9:15 p.m. on Garden Street.

* Kevin Crafton, 43, of 542 Garden St. was arrested without incident at his residence after state parole officers assigned to the New York/New Jersey Regional Fugitive Task Force developed information on Crafton's whereabouts. Crafton was wanted for violating his parole conditions stemming from convictions of first-degree robbery and sexual abuse by forcible touching, task force officials said. Crafton has a lengthy criminal history consisting of robberies, weapon offenses, assaults and sexual assaults, they said. Once Crafton was located, members from the U.S. Marshals Service, New York State Parole, Oneida County Probation, and the Little Falls Police Department then developed an arrest plan and took Crafton into custody, officials said.

* Brian A. Smith, 49, of 542 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested for second-degree criminal contempt and fourth-degree criminal mischief for allegedly violating a family court issued court order of protection.

* Kevin L. Taylor, of 15 Jackson St., has been charged with promoting a sexual performance by a child, as according to Little Falls police, he allegedly had possession of sexually explicit material involving a female minor. Police said he used the material for his personal sexual gratification. Taylor was arraigned before Little Falls City Court Judge Mark Rose and was remanded to the Herkimer County Correctional Facility in lieu of $15,000 cash bail or $30,000 bail bond. The arrest stems from an investigation that involved Little Falls police, Ilion police, the Herkimer County Child Advocacy Center and the Herkimer County District Attorney’s Office.

* Randy Scott Smith, 46 of 15 Jackson Street, Apt. 34, Little Falls was arrested on June 7, 2012 for disorderly conduct and open container he was issued an appearance ticket returnable in Little Falls City Court at a later date."

* Randy Scott Smith, 46 of 15 Jackson Street, Apt. 34, Little Falls was arrested on June 10, 2012 for aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle in the first degree a Class E felony and aggravated driving while intoxicated a misdemeanor. He was arrested after a complaint was received by the Little Falls Police that Smith was operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated. He was arraigned in the Town of Little Falls Court and remanded to the Herkimer County Correctional Facility in lieu of $10,000 bail or $20,000 bond. Smith is ordered to Little Falls City Court at a later date.

* Carl Christopher Johnson, 23, of 15 Jackson St., Little Falls, was arrested for third-degree aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle and unlawful possession of marijuana at 5:15 p.m. on Albany Street. Johnson was issued appearance tickets returnable in Little Falls City Court on November 25.

* Daniel J. Simonds, 23, of 15 Jackson St., Little Falls, was arrested for the infraction of disorderly conduct, misdemeanor resisting arrest and felony second-degree assault of a police officer.
LOL

Fairfax, VA

#7 Feb 6, 2013
The problem is that you don't have a large enough tax base to exempt properties. When almost half of the homes in Small Falls are vacant, everyone needs to be paying taxes to support the services that the City provides or cut City services. Why should my taxes increase to pay for the Y not pay taxes????
coddle the criminals

Ilion, NY

#8 Feb 6, 2013
45 colt wrote:
Why don't we just kill them all right now. If you had your way that's most likely what you would do.
This one statement alone tells me that you are a complete moron. Why do you bleeding heart LIBS always resort to nihilism?
Sea Lawyer

Utica, NY

#9 Feb 6, 2013
LOL wrote:
The problem is that you don't have a large enough tax base to exempt properties. When almost half of the homes in Small Falls are vacant, everyone needs to be paying taxes to support the services that the City provides or cut City services. Why should my taxes increase to pay for the Y not pay taxes????
The long-term answer to this question is that the City needs to engage in Long-term planning, and adopt appropriate growth policies to encourage people and businesses to remain here or to relocate here.

Think about it. Since 1970, the population of the United States has doubled, while the population of Little Falls has been halved. Which means we are down fully 75% from where we would be if we had only experienced AVERAGE growth. That's dismal, and indicates that we are doing a lot of the wrong things. We need to examine this in a hard way.

When you consider all the civic services that the Y provides, taxing it really makes about as much sense as it would to tax, say, the DPW lot or the lot City Hall sits on. Trying to fund City services by taxing the providers of City services just makes no sense at all, and is yet another of the exactly wrong things to do if we intend to encourage growth. We need sensible long term solutions, not dumb short-term bandaids.
Fix whats broken first

Ilion, NY

#10 Feb 6, 2013
Sea Lawyer wrote:
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The long-term answer to this question is that the City needs to engage in Long-term planning, and adopt appropriate growth policies to encourage people and businesses to remain here or to relocate here.
Think about it. Since 1970, the population of the United States has doubled, while the population of Little Falls has been halved. Which means we are down fully 75% from where we would be if we had only experienced AVERAGE growth. That's dismal, and indicates that we are doing a lot of the wrong things. We need to examine this in a hard way.
When you consider all the civic services that the Y provides, taxing it really makes about as much sense as it would to tax, say, the DPW lot or the lot City Hall sits on. Trying to fund City services by taxing the providers of City services just makes no sense at all, and is yet another of the exactly wrong things to do if we intend to encourage growth. We need sensible long term solutions, not dumb short-term bandaids.
Until we fix whats broken we can't even begin to come up with a long-term plan. To grow our community we need great schools (we DO have this...see US News & World Report ranking for LF...in top 10% of the Nation), low property taxes and an environment favorable to business. We need to address the factors that keep businesses from thriving in the first place: employment costs (settlements for workers-compensation cases are the second-highest in America), energy costs (electricity prices are 63% above the national average), stifling regulations and the second-highest tax burden in the country.

“Do SOMETHING !!!”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#11 Feb 6, 2013
Sea Lawyer wrote:
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When you consider all the civic services that the Y provides, bandaids.
Without commenting on your overall point...
I question this one little element.
What CIVIC SERVICE do these few properties provide?

UNLESS you think the city would be "providing natural and specialty foods at discount prices" if the YMCA didn't!
UNLESS you think the city would be providing "emergency housing" if the YMCA didn't.

I don't think the city has ever done either.
I don't think they've ever considered doing either.

Am I wrong?
Are these actual service which the city should provide?
Sounds Like

Ilion, NY

#12 Feb 6, 2013
coddle the criminals wrote:
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Since you asked:
* Keith Alan Reid, 21, of 544 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested at 555 E. Main St. at 3:27 p.m. and charged with one count of petit larceny based on a complaint filed by a local business alleging that Reid stole property from them.
* Tonya L. Kersey, 27, of 544 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested for second-degree harassment at 3:36 p.m. at her Garden Street residence.
* Annamay I. Leonard, 21, of 544 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested for making a punishable false written statement at 7:51 p.m. at the Little Falls Police Department.
* Amanda L. Larsen, 22, of 544 Garden St., Apt. No. 2, Little Falls, was arrested on a St. Johnsville Village Court issued bench warrant at 9:15 p.m. on Garden Street.
* Kevin Crafton, 43, of 542 Garden St. was arrested without incident at his residence after state parole officers assigned to the New York/New Jersey Regional Fugitive Task Force developed information on Crafton's whereabouts. Crafton was wanted for violating his parole conditions stemming from convictions of first-degree robbery and sexual abuse by forcible touching, task force officials said. Crafton has a lengthy criminal history consisting of robberies, weapon offenses, assaults and sexual assaults, they said. Once Crafton was located, members from the U.S. Marshals Service, New York State Parole, Oneida County Probation, and the Little Falls Police Department then developed an arrest plan and took Crafton into custody, officials said.
* Brian A. Smith, 49, of 542 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested for second-degree criminal contempt and fourth-degree criminal mischief for allegedly violating a family court issued court order of protection.
* Kevin L. Taylor, of 15 Jackson St., has been charged with promoting a sexual performance by a child, as according to Little Falls police, he allegedly had possession of sexually explicit material involving a female minor. Police said he used the material for his personal sexual gratification. Taylor was arraigned before Little Falls City Court Judge Mark Rose and was remanded to the Herkimer County Correctional Facility in lieu of $15,000 cash bail or $30,000 bail bond. The arrest stems from an investigation that involved Little Falls police, Ilion police, the Herkimer County Child Advocacy Center and the Herkimer County District Attorney’s Office.
* Randy Scott Smith, 46 of 15 Jackson Street, Apt. 34, Little Falls was arrested on June 7, 2012 for disorderly conduct and open container he was issued an appearance ticket returnable in Little Falls City Court at a later date."
* Randy Scott Smith, 46 of 15 Jackson Street, Apt. 34, Little Falls was arrested on June 10, 2012 for aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle in the first degree a Class E felony and aggravated driving while intoxicated a misdemeanor. He was arrested after a complaint was received by the Little Falls Police that Smith was operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated. He was arraigned in the Town of Little Falls Court and remanded to the Herkimer County Correctional Facility in lieu of $10,000 bail or $20,000 bond. Smith is ordered to Little Falls City Court at a later date.
* Carl Christopher Johnson, 23, of 15 Jackson St., Little Falls, was arrested for third-degree aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle and unlawful possession of marijuana at 5:15 p.m. on Albany Street. Johnson was issued appearance tickets returnable in Little Falls City Court on November 25.
* Daniel J. Simonds, 23, of 15 Jackson St., Little Falls, was arrested for the infraction of disorderly conduct, misdemeanor resisting arrest and felony second-degree assault of a police officer.
It sounds like the problem is the laws, not the YMCA.
Sssuuuppp

Little Falls, NY

#13 Feb 6, 2013
These properties don't exist as seperate entities. Charging taxes on these 3 buildings will effect the budgets off all. Less food for the hungry. Less services at the Y. The crimes listed above are mostly petty. Except for the sex offender. And the drunk. Sometimes the people who need help commit crimes. Should they still not be helped?
Conservative

Little Falls, NY

#14 Feb 6, 2013
UTLT wrote:
<quoted text>
Without commenting on your overall point...
I question this one little element.
What CIVIC SERVICE do these few properties provide?
UNLESS you think the city would be "providing natural and specialty foods at discount prices" if the YMCA didn't!
UNLESS you think the city would be providing "emergency housing" if the YMCA didn't.
I don't think the city has ever done either.
I don't think they've ever considered doing either.
Am I wrong?
Are these actual service which the city should provide?
Well, obviously people need good nutritious organic food. And if the private enterprise system is unwilling or unable to provide necessary products, what alternative is there beyond having the people buy and distribute them co-operatively? Doing without? Certainly, the entire function of government is to do necessary things that private enterprise either cannot or will not do. And good nutritious organic food is a necessity, so, yes, if private enterprise cannot meet that need, and if a non-profit did not exist to fill that need, then yes it would be a legitimate function of government, by default.
Conservative

Little Falls, NY

#15 Feb 6, 2013
UTLT wrote:
<quoted text>
Without commenting on your overall point...
I question this one little element.
What CIVIC SERVICE do these few properties provide?
UNLESS you think the city would be "providing natural and specialty foods at discount prices" if the YMCA didn't!
UNLESS you think the city would be providing "emergency housing" if the YMCA didn't.
I don't think the city has ever done either.
I don't think they've ever considered doing either.
Am I wrong?
Are these actual service which the city should provide?
You know, I'm sure, that the mission and intent of those properties was and is to provide emergency shelters for citizens in need of that, and to provide low-income housing. Both are necessary services. If the program was mismanaged, and I would agree that it was, and badly so, the conservative solution would be to insist upon new guidelines and see that it is property managed, not to simply tax the entire program out of existence, which of course still leaves you with the problem of providing emergency shelter and low-income housing. Fix things, don't take an axe to them.
True

Herkimer, NY

#16 Feb 6, 2013
Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, obviously people need good nutritious organic food. And if the private enterprise system is unwilling or unable to provide necessary products, what alternative is there beyond having the people buy and distribute them co-operatively? Doing without? Certainly, the entire function of government is to do necessary things that private enterprise either cannot or will not do. And good nutritious organic food is a necessity, so, yes, if private enterprise cannot meet that need, and if a non-profit did not exist to fill that need, then yes it would be a legitimate function of government, by default.
That is true. The county, state and federal governments fund all kinds of nutrition programs.
holy krap

Little Falls, NY

#17 Feb 6, 2013
coddle the criminals wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you asked:
* Keith Alan Reid, 21, of 544 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested at 555 E. Main St. at 3:27 p.m. and charged with one count of petit larceny based on a complaint filed by a local business alleging that Reid stole property from them.
* Tonya L. Kersey, 27, of 544 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested for second-degree harassment at 3:36 p.m. at her Garden Street residence.
* Annamay I. Leonard, 21, of 544 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested for making a punishable false written statement at 7:51 p.m. at the Little Falls Police Department.
* Amanda L. Larsen, 22, of 544 Garden St., Apt. No. 2, Little Falls, was arrested on a St. Johnsville Village Court issued bench warrant at 9:15 p.m. on Garden Street.
* Kevin Crafton, 43, of 542 Garden St. was arrested without incident at his residence after state parole officers assigned to the New York/New Jersey Regional Fugitive Task Force developed information on Crafton's whereabouts. Crafton was wanted for violating his parole conditions stemming from convictions of first-degree robbery and sexual abuse by forcible touching, task force officials said. Crafton has a lengthy criminal history consisting of robberies, weapon offenses, assaults and sexual assaults, they said. Once Crafton was located, members from the U.S. Marshals Service, New York State Parole, Oneida County Probation, and the Little Falls Police Department then developed an arrest plan and took Crafton into custody, officials said.
* Brian A. Smith, 49, of 542 Garden St., Little Falls, was arrested for second-degree criminal contempt and fourth-degree criminal mischief for allegedly violating a family court issued court order of protection.
* Kevin L. Taylor, of 15 Jackson St., has been charged with promoting a sexual performance by a child, as according to Little Falls police, he allegedly had possession of sexually explicit material involving a female minor. Police said he used the material for his personal sexual gratification. Taylor was arraigned before Little Falls City Court Judge Mark Rose and was remanded to the Herkimer County Correctional Facility in lieu of $15,000 cash bail or $30,000 bail bond. The arrest stems from an investigation that involved Little Falls police, Ilion police, the Herkimer County Child Advocacy Center and the Herkimer County District Attorney’s Office.
* Randy Scott Smith, 46 of 15 Jackson Street, Apt. 34, Little Falls was arrested on June 7, 2012 for disorderly conduct and open container he was issued an appearance ticket returnable in Little Falls City Court at a later date."
* Randy Scott Smith, 46 of 15 Jackson Street, Apt. 34, Little Falls was arrested on June 10, 2012 for aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle in the first degree a Class E felony and aggravated driving while intoxicated a misdemeanor. He was arrested after a complaint was received by the Little Falls Police that Smith was operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated. He was arraigned in the Town of Little Falls Court and remanded to the Herkimer County Correctional Facility in lieu of $10,000 bail or $20,000 bond. Smith is ordered to Little Falls City Court at a later date.
* Carl Christopher Johnson, 23, of 15 Jackson St., Little Falls, was arrested for third-degree aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle and unlawful possession of marijuana at 5:15 p.m. on Albany Street. Johnson was issued appearance tickets returnable in Little Falls City Court on November 25.
* Daniel J. Simonds, 23, of 15 Jackson St., Little Falls, was arrested for the infraction of disorderly conduct, misdemeanor resisting arrest and felony second-degree assault of a police officer.
well, that pretty much sums things up.

“Do SOMETHING !!!”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#18 Feb 7, 2013
Conservative wrote:
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... so, yes, if private enterprise cannot meet that need, and if a non-profit did not exist to fill that need, then yes it would be a legitimate function of government, by default.
You are using the name 'Conservative'?
And you believe if private enterprise doesn't supply a need to LF...
Then it is the city's responsibility to provide it?

THAT is the largest expansion of government I've heard of... ever.

Many times I've heard it said...
there is no place in LF to buy socks or underwear...
If true... should the city provide the venue?

There is no fast-food chicken in LF?
does the city need to act?
Conservative

Little Falls, NY

#19 Feb 7, 2013
UTLT wrote:
<quoted text>
You are using the name 'Conservative'?
And you believe if private enterprise doesn't supply a need to LF...
Then it is the city's responsibility to provide it?
THAT is the largest expansion of government I've heard of... ever.
Many times I've heard it said...
there is no place in LF to buy socks or underwear...
If true... should the city provide the venue?
There is no fast-food chicken in LF?
does the city need to act?
Quick question, UTLT. Show you're not a total ninny.

Quickly, and in only a few words, what is the entire purpose of governments in America? Get this question right, first, then I'll proceed to demolish your position.
dodge ball

United States

#20 Feb 7, 2013
Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
Quick question, UTLT. Show you're not a total ninny.
Quickly, and in only a few words, what is the entire purpose of governments in America? Get this question right, first, then I'll proceed to demolish your position.
What an absolutely ridiculous way to start a discussion.

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