WA Dems Sponsor Bill Allowing Police to Search Gunowners' Homes

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Indy

Denver, CO

#1 Feb 18, 2013
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
In a mistake that probably wasn’t a mistake, a Washington state bill sponsored by liberal Democrats contained a little-noticed provision that would have called for the police to have the right to search private citizens’ home once per year if they own certain types of guns. According to Senate Bill 5737:

In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person possessing shall ... safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.

In other words, kiss the Fourth Amendment goodbye. Liberal lawmakers behind the bill claim they have no knowledge of the provision – which, of course, begs the question as to how the provision got into the bill in the first place.“I have to admit it shouldn’t be in there,” said Sen. Ed Murray (D-Seattle).“I made a mistake,” said Sen. Adam Kline (D-Seattle).“I frankly should have vetted this more closely.”

This was likely no mistake. It’s hard to believe that a bill could advance this far without anyone reading it for such an obvious violation of Constitutional principles. But in an age of ever-bigger government and ever-smaller rights, anything is possible.
Charline

Little Falls, NY

#2 Feb 19, 2013
According to utlt noone is trying to take our liberties away.
UpstateWizard

Coshocton, OH

#3 Feb 19, 2013
And so it goes. Any pretense will be used to interfere with the 2nd ammendment. Also,as long as the police are in your house anything else "noticed" might be used against you. I will leave it to your imagination what else might be "discovered by legal search".
Prince V

Fort Plain, NY

#4 Feb 19, 2013
Charline wrote:
According to utlt noone is trying to take our liberties away.
You forgot willy. They're quiet as church mice lately as everything is out in the open and people putting on their tin foil hats.
Richard M Nixon

Herkimer, NY

#5 Feb 19, 2013
Indy wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-G overnment/2013/02/18/Washingto n-tries-to-allow-police-search -homes
In a mistake that probably wasn’t a mistake, a Washington state bill sponsored by liberal Democrats contained a little-noticed provision that would have called for the police to have the right to search private citizens’ home once per year if they own certain types of guns. According to Senate Bill 5737:
In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person possessing shall ... safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.
In other words, kiss the Fourth Amendment goodbye. Liberal lawmakers behind the bill claim they have no knowledge of the provision – which, of course, begs the question as to how the provision got into the bill in the first place.“I have to admit it shouldn’t be in there,” said Sen. Ed Murray (D-Seattle).“I made a mistake,” said Sen. Adam Kline (D-Seattle).“I frankly should have vetted this more closely.”
This was likely no mistake. It’s hard to believe that a bill could advance this far without anyone reading it for such an obvious violation of Constitutional principles. But in an age of ever-bigger government and ever-smaller rights, anything is possible.
First of all, considering the source I'm basically positive this is all complete nonsense. Secondly - and much more importantly - the Bush administration threw the 4th amendment out the window years ago; curiously, conservatives weren't the least bit concerned about it.
Prince Touchy Feely

Herkimer, NY

#6 Feb 19, 2013
Prince V wrote:
You forgot willy. They're quiet as church mice lately as everything is out in the open and people putting on their tin foil hats.
Sorry, Prince YMCA. You produce one laughable claim after another, and none of them ever come true. I'm still waiting for the UN to begin enforcing the gun ban you say the U.S. has agreed to. But I'll be waiting on that one in perpetuity, won't I?
Troll alert

Little Falls, NY

#7 Feb 19, 2013
Richard M Nixon wrote:
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First of all, considering the source I'm basically positive this is all complete nonsense. Secondly - and much more importantly - the Bush administration threw the 4th amendment out the window years ago; curiously, conservatives weren't the least bit concerned about it.
LOL...considering the source I have to doubt everything you say as well!! Though I suppose the media you follow is certainly fair and unbiased, right?

http://www.alternet.org/story/81905/memo_show...
Richard M Nixon

Herkimer, NY

#8 Feb 19, 2013
Troll alert wrote:
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LOL...considering the source I have to doubt everything you say as well!! Though I suppose the media you follow is certainly fair and unbiased, right?
http://www.alternet.org/story/81905/memo_show...
I'd say that would be tough for you to prove, considering you have no idea what media I follow. Some people actually get their information from primary (firsthand) sources. Shocking, I know.

“Care Enough To Take Action”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#9 Feb 19, 2013
I think the on-site 'inspection' is a reasonable proposal.

Although gun owners ALL say they are responsible...
we keep hearing stories of kids getting hold of weapons.

I've heard that 500,0000 guns are stolen every year.
How can THAT be true... if the guns responsibly stored?

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/...
wake up UTLT

Little Falls, NY

#11 Feb 19, 2013
UTLT wrote:
I think the on-site 'inspection' is a reasonable proposal.
Although gun owners ALL say they are responsible...
we keep hearing stories of kids getting hold of weapons.
I've heard that 500,0000 guns are stolen every year.
How can THAT be true... if the guns responsibly stored?
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/...
More like 232,000

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm...

AND "onsite inspection" will never, ever happen because it is completely unreasonable. Gawd, and you bash PV??? You are a complete and utter fool!! Please move to Cuba - you would be welcome there!

“Care Enough To Take Action”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#12 Feb 19, 2013
Here's the problem...
gun owners SAY they are responsible...
They SAY they lock up their weapons...
They SAY they keep them separate from the ammo...

GUESS WHAT!??? What is the truth? They are human.

If you want to have a weapon for mass murder...
prove they you are capable of doing what your lips say.

If you can't... confiscate!
Sounds totally reasonable to me!

LIKE... inspecting my auto.
LIKE... yearly check ups at the GP.
LIKE... visiting the dentist.
define unreasonable

Herkimer, NY

#13 Feb 19, 2013
wake up UTLT wrote:
AND "onsite inspection" will never, ever happen because it is completely unreasonable. Gawd, and you bash PV??? You are a complete and utter fool!! Please move to Cuba - you would be welcome there!
Your response is nothing but ad hominem's and conjecture. We inspect homes for anything and everything under the sun, why not to see that weapons are safely secured? "Unreasonable" is not a valid argument.

“Care Enough To Take Action”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#14 Feb 19, 2013
define unreasonable wrote:
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We inspect homes for anything and everything under the sun, why not to see that weapons are safely secured?
I don't think that is true...(I agree with everything else)
I've never had a government person come to house... EVER!
Well once...
I left the garage door open and the cops woke me up to close it.

But deadly weapons... are in a class of their own!

Would you let your child go to a home with weapons?
When you don't know the state of their security?

Absolutely not!
That would be deemed child endangerment... by me.
wake up UTLT

Little Falls, NY

#15 Feb 19, 2013
UTLT wrote:
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Would you let your child go to a home with weapons?
When you don't know the state of their security?
Absolutely not!
That would be deemed child endangerment... by me.
Have you EVER in your life considered that kids can be taught proper gun safety? Probably not because you are such a marxist that you wouldn't even consider that a child could get an education outside the public school system - you are actually a pathetic human being and I feel sorry for you - truthfully!

I ask you this...since I believe you are a retired teacher...are our children now so damn stupid that the mere sight of a gun will set them into a panic where they might pick it up and start blasting away at everything and everybody? If they are it because of YOUR ignorant generation UTLT...your generation frucked up the world for everyone. YOUR generation has spent this nation into oblivion,, your generation started countless wars, your generation worships false science and has forgotten how to worship God.

Are you happy now? Glad you got your agenda forwarded??

BTW, I laugh my ass off each time you refer to a firearm as a weapon of mass murder and other such leftist-approved language.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#16 Feb 19, 2013
wake up UTLT wrote:
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BTW, I laugh my ass off each time you refer to a firearm as a weapon of mass murder and other such leftist-approved language.
"deadly weapon", the term actually uses by UTLT in his last post, is leftist language??!!?? Does this mean that in the cause of fairness to patriotic gun owners we should change the name of the crime to assault with either a deadly weapon or an implement protected by the perpetrator's Second Amendment freedoms? Makes about as much sense as the rest of your rant...and I am in favor of unfettered rights to own deadly weapons.
Nanny

Enfield, CT

#17 Feb 20, 2013
Your views on this are downright terrifying and you anti gun folks can't even see that ideas like these are what make people think the government is "coming for my guns." I mean you're advocating "confiscation" here and then on some other threads you wonder everyone is all worked up.

You're concerned about kids? Okay, then anyone who has alcohol in the house should have it inspected once a year to see that it is properly stores, same with lighters, matches, and any kind of prescription medication that can be abused.
UTLT wrote:
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I don't think that is true...(I agree with everything else)
I've never had a government person come to house... EVER!
Well once...
I left the garage door open and the cops woke me up to close it.
But deadly weapons... are in a class of their own!
Would you let your child go to a home with weapons?
When you don't know the state of their security?
Absolutely not!
That would be deemed child endangerment... by me.
Im with stupid

Enfield, CT

#18 Feb 20, 2013
Richard M Nixon wrote:
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I'd say that would be tough for you to prove, considering you have no idea what media I follow. Some people actually get their information from primary (firsthand) sources. Shocking, I know.
Since this happened in the State of Washington, will the Seattle Times qualify as a legitimate news outlet for the story?

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/202037...

Your politics are getting in the way of your judgement.
Richard M Nixon

Herkimer, NY

#19 Feb 20, 2013
Im with stupid wrote:
Your politics are getting in the way of your judgement.
Ah, platitudes. A useful tool for the faint-of-thinking.

“Care Enough To Take Action”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#20 Feb 20, 2013
wake up UTLT wrote:
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Have you EVER in your life considered that kids can be taught proper gun safety?
Of course I have considered it...

Along with teaching abstinence and safe-sex...
And to drive safely...
And to study hard and get good grades.

How well are those going for us?

Kids are kids...
they do irresponsible and foolish things all the time.
[ I'm talking BOYS more than GIRLS [of course])

Gun owners kill themselves with their own weapons!(not on purpose)
Im with stupid

United States

#21 Feb 20, 2013
Richard M Nixon wrote:
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Ah, platitudes. A useful tool for the faint-of-thinking.
Uhh, you rejected a story outright because of its source. That's not a sign of a serious thinker.

When presented with evidence to the contrary, you accuse the poster of using platitudes. Also not a sign of a serious thinker.

Fail.

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