is price chopper coming where big M is?

Since: Nov 11

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#42 Nov 21, 2012
Nonsense wrote:
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Nonsense. We fit none of those three exceptions.
1. Price Chopper is in New York to stay.
2. We already have several grocery stores (Big M in town, Hannaford and Walmart 5 minutes away).
3. Little Falls is not a highly distressed area.
They'll do it anyway, just because they can get away with it.
Main Street probably has a higher commercial vacancy rate than Detroit and it's not a highly distressed area?
Huh

Herkimer, NY

#43 Nov 22, 2012
CoffinMaker wrote:
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Main Street probably has a higher commercial vacancy rate than Detroit and it's not a highly distressed area?
Not according to our local politicians. That would be an admission of epic failure to govern. Anyway, our median incomes are fairly robust here, and retail commerce is strong enough ... it's just that times have changed and there are no more mom & pop shops left to occupy dilapidated, small storefronts on Main Street owned (but not maintained) by out-of-state slumlords.

I actually like the idea that PC is coming downtown, and I agree that they will pay more in a PILOT on an improved property than the tax on the current property. But I also believe in law and order, and it grinds my gears to see local government willfully disobey the State law just because there is no enforcement mechanism.

Since: Nov 11

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#44 Nov 22, 2012
Huh wrote:
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Not according to our local politicians. That would be an admission of epic failure to govern. Anyway, our median incomes are fairly robust here, and retail commerce is strong enough ... it's just that times have changed and there are no more mom & pop shops left to occupy dilapidated, small storefronts on Main Street owned (but not maintained) by out-of-state slumlords.
I actually like the idea that PC is coming downtown, and I agree that they will pay more in a PILOT on an improved property than the tax on the current property. But I also believe in law and order, and it grinds my gears to see local government willfully disobey the State law just because there is no enforcement mechanism.
I think you are using a narrow and personal interpretation of a legal criteria to buttress your position in a political dispute and that you might be better off looking elsewhere for support.
Maybe

Syracuse, NY

#45 Nov 22, 2012
Nonsense wrote:
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Nonsense. We fit none of those three exceptions.
1. Price Chopper is in New York to stay.
2. We already have several grocery stores (Big M in town, Hannaford and Walmart 5 minutes away).
3. Little Falls is not a highly distressed area.
They'll do it anyway, just because they can get away with it.
According to the state we are a highly distressed area. We have one of the highest rates of Medicaid population along with a higher rate of unemployed in the Mohawk Valley than the rest of the state
Big M is suppose to close which leaves no grocery store within the city.
Your logic justifies your feeling but is not adequate.
Huh

Herkimer, NY

#46 Nov 22, 2012
Maybe wrote:
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Big M is suppose to close which leaves no grocery store within the city.
Big M is being EVICTED by the owner of Shopper Square. It is ABSURD that applied for a PILOT on the logic that he evicted the grocery store to build a new grocery store, so we have no grocery store so we should give him a PILOT.

Since: Nov 11

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#47 Nov 22, 2012
Huh wrote:
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Big M is being EVICTED by the owner of Shopper Square. It is ABSURD that applied for a PILOT on the logic that he evicted the grocery store to build a new grocery store, so we have no grocery store so we should give him a PILOT.
Evicted or has Big M's lease simply expired?
Nonsense

Herkimer, NY

#48 Nov 22, 2012
CoffinMaker wrote:
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I think you are using a narrow and personal interpretation of a legal criteria to buttress your position in a political dispute and that you might be better off looking elsewhere for support.
Not really. The abuses of the IDA PILOT programs in NY State are widely known. Two of the biggest and most common abuses are misusing PILOTs for retail development, such as we are going to do, and using PILOTS to attract industry from one county to another within the state, like what happened with Beechnut. EVERYBODY is aware of the problem of these abuses of the IDA programs; see this interesting study by the NYS Comptroller: http://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/pubs/rese... ... there is a nice and cogent discussion of the misuse o PILOTs for retail on page 10.

The problem is that there is a very weak enforcement mechanism, and nobody has the political will to stop these abuses. So the Herkimer IDA will happily pretend that there is nothing wrong with funding a retail development to replace one grocery store with another, and we will get the Price Chopper. And I am okay with that, even though I know that an injustice is being done and the law is being violated. If all the other kids are doing it, I guess we can do it too.

I guess it sucks to be a business without good political connections ... that is the lesson here.
Answer

Herkimer, NY

#49 Nov 22, 2012
CoffinMaker wrote:
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Evicted or has Big M's lease simply expired?
Big M has been told to get out.
Ralphie

Long Eddy, NY

#50 Nov 23, 2012
Yes. Big M is closing on Dec 22.

There are signs on the milk cooler that BIG M is no longer accepting W.I.C. as of Dec 1st or when product runs out as they won't be able to take the WIC check for the full amount.

Yippie now I can get unemployment and spend my money on beer at Ed & Buds
telic

Ilion, NY

#51 Nov 23, 2012
CoffinMaker wrote:
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Evicted or has Big M's lease simply expired?
Het CoffinMaker, I bet people are just dieing to meet ya....LOL

Since: Nov 11

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#52 Nov 23, 2012
telic wrote:
<quoted text>Het CoffinMaker, I bet people are just dieing to meet ya....LOL
No. I only provide packaging for doctors' mistakes. It pays for a lot of tea and crumpets...even marmalade.
Dies Irae

Herkimer, NY

#53 Nov 24, 2012
Ralphie wrote:
Yippie now I can get unemployment and spend my money on beer at Ed & Buds
The ONLY reason I believe in God is so that I can believe that a Hell awaits flaming pricks like you. Leave the poor Big M employees alone. One of the many good things that Jim and Bonnie did for our community was to be progressive and open-minded about hiring. I wonder if Price Chopper will be as supportive of the community as the Big M owners were?
Lisa

Little Falls, NY

#54 Nov 27, 2012
Truth Hurts wrote:
You people know That poster is absolutely current .The misfits that work their are really scummy..not to mention the horrlble food and filthy atmosphere.You people that enjoy that crappy except this.Well I go to Herkimer clean people clean store no rotten meats veggies or expired dairy products.Little Falls bottom of the barrel works at Big M.That's the truth..
How would you know ? You're from Albany lmao
ohh

Bradford, VT

#55 Nov 28, 2012
Evicted?? I dont think so. Price Chopper bought out that lot by the owner of the whole shoppers square. You guys are all idiots.
Lush Rimbaugh

Little Falls, NY

#56 Nov 28, 2012
Rahm E wrote:
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It is what Democrats do - embrace it and your life will be much easier. Give me a call on your Obama phone while you spend your food stamp money at the nonexistent grocery store driving your car full of gas bought with your unemployment money on your way home to your section 8 free-to-you apartment so you can play x-box on your big screen TV which you bought with your welfare and SSI money.
We're in the deepest $hit we have EVER been in this country (thanks for the $5 trillion in new debt Obama ;-) and THIS is where you disgusting LIB DEMS finally decide to draw the line on spending????????? To quote Dick Cheney - "go f*ck yourself."
And this is what Republicans do - blame Democrats for everything. Did you know the "Obama phone" program was started by... Ronald Reagan? And what about the fact that ol' Ronnie tripled the national debt in 8 years? Hell, this country didn't HAVE a national debt until the demigod of fiscal conservatism came along. Oh, and speaking of $5T in new debt, Shrub (Bush Jr.) ran up $6T. Didn't complain about that, did you?

To quote Jon Stewart: "This is what the party of personal responsibility does - sit around coming up with reasons why nothing is their fault."

D-bag.
Lush Rimbaugh

Little Falls, NY

#57 Nov 28, 2012
Person in LF wrote:
I loved all the MSF Hippocrats at the hearing yesterday lauding and flowering praise and support for the downtown project.
If a tree fell in the woods and nobody were around to hear it, would it be MSF's fault? I know it's gotta be tough for the mayor, considering he was 100%, completely and totally against a new downtown supermarket, but get over it. MSF supported the idea, studied it and found empirical evidence it would be good for LF, and it is now happening. Must be hard for Bobby.
Please

Syracuse, NY

#58 Nov 28, 2012
Lush Rimbaugh wrote:
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If a tree fell in the woods and nobody were around to hear it, would it be MSF's fault? I know it's gotta be tough for the mayor, considering he was 100%, completely and totally against a new downtown supermarket, but get over it. MSF supported the idea, studied it and found empirical evidence it would be good for LF, and it is now happening. Must be hard for Bobby.
The mayor was for the quarry project.
He was never against a new downtown supermarket once they became a viable option.
Lush Rimbaugh

Little Falls, NY

#59 Nov 28, 2012
Please wrote:
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The mayor was for the quarry project.
He was never against a new downtown supermarket once they became a viable option.
That's a good one. Of all the bizarre excuses or twists of the truth I foresaw trying to somehow make the mayor a supporter of a Shopper's Square project, I never saw this one coming. Creative.

Here's reality:

The mayor was for the quarry project. Therefore, he was fully and completely in favor of decimating downtown Little Falls and every business in it.
Maybe

Syracuse, NY

#60 Nov 28, 2012
Lush Rimbaugh wrote:
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That's a good one. Of all the bizarre excuses or twists of the truth I foresaw trying to somehow make the mayor a supporter of a Shopper's Square project, I never saw this one coming. Creative.
Here's reality:
The mayor was for the quarry project. Therefore, he was fully and completely in favor of decimating downtown Little Falls and every business in it.
Do you have a crystal ball that predicts the future?
That glass could have gone either way, half full or half empty. We will never know the answer since it did not happen.
Oh no

Little Falls, NY

#61 Nov 28, 2012
Maybe wrote:
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Do you have a crystal ball that predicts the future?
That glass could have gone either way, half full or half empty. We will never know the answer since it did not happen.
Crystal ball? What an ignorant comment. No need to see into the future...just look at the past...

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