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#1 Feb 28, 2013
I love this. The Liberals on here will not. Tough crap!

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A....(substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that. These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Wishmael

Little Falls, NY

#2 Feb 28, 2013
BORING.
Yep

Little Falls, NY

#3 Feb 28, 2013
Wishmael wrote:
BORING.
Seriously. Anyone who takes the time to read this drivel has way too much time on their hands. As does WCR, obviously. What a retard.
John is Dead

Little Falls, NY

#4 Feb 28, 2013
Of course, Socialism is about and for working. There is nothing about socialism which says that people who are not willing to work "get" anything. Socialism is for workers, and against parasites, be they rich or poor.

But don't let the facts stop you from creating a strawman argument.
Hahahahaaaaaaa

Little Falls, NY

#5 Feb 28, 2013
Aw, look! Someone can copy and paste!

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo-ser!! LOL
Mr Objectivity

Albany, NY

#6 Feb 28, 2013
West Coast Rapper wrote:
I love this. The Liberals on here will not. Tough crap!
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A....(substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that. These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Incredibly shallow.
Hey, Sally Struthers called. She wants your degree back.
Nearly half of America is one paycheck away from financial ruin.
55% of our tax dollars go to the military industrial complex and 50% of that goes into some CEO's pocket.
Food, healthcare, and education is cheap compared to war mongering.
The state is laying people off, but Carey just sent $60 mil to Syria.
I'm tired of this crap.
It's not Obamas fault.
It's YOUR fault. Stupid people that posess degrees.
The only reason you have one is because you paid for it, and you paid for it with money borrowed from the feds.
You get creepier every day dude.
http://thefinancialbrand.com/27332/banking-co...
The Walrus was Paul

United States

#7 Feb 28, 2013
John is Dead wrote:
Of course, Socialism is about and for working. There is nothing about socialism which says that people who are not willing to work "get" anything. Socialism is for workers, and against parasites, be they rich or poor.
But don't let the facts stop you from creating a strawman argument.
To be fair to WCR, socialism IN PRACTICE in many cases, has included people getting benefits which it would be a stretch to say they somehow worked for.
UpstateWizard

Manistee, MI

#8 Feb 28, 2013
The Human Delusion. Universal Socialism. It is tried in different countries and results are the same. Misery. It will begin with enthusiasm and once established it naturally desolves into The Haves, the supervisors who run things and the Cant Haves. Those would be the poor shmucks who must labor.It is just human nature to want what you want and too find a way to get it.Many through inspiration and hard work achieve success,and then there are those who achieve success on the backs of the poor dumb shmucks who cannot see they are being used commonly called the Proletariet. Be Free,Stay Free, regect the lie of socialism.... the lesson endeth......
Mr Objectivity

Albany, NY

#9 Feb 28, 2013
The State and Feds provide education. That's not "socialism" is it?

The City provides Police and Fire. That's not socialism either, not the type of "socialism" you are getting all worked up about. Do you want to contract Police and Fire out to the lowest bidder? Female and minority owned companies get preference btw.

Contract out education to the lowest bidder?
How about the FAA?
The NIH?
NOAA?
DEA?
FDA?
Agriculture?
NASA?
Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines? Low bidder gets it.

You don't even know what socialism is. You are confusing it with marxist-leninism.

I'm not saying the rich should pay more. 30% is rediculous, but most escape any taxes at all. I just want them to pay their fair share -no loopholes- for individuals or corporations.
5% for everyone is enough.

Since: Sep 11

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#10 Feb 28, 2013
Question? How is Canada's Single-Payer System working? Socialized medicine. 1970's workflows. No computers. No incentive to implement computers. People die. Adverse drug events. Ireland's Health System. 1980's. I know. I go there. Little innovation. Little incentive. Socialism. The wait lists for care..........really long. HUGE Problem. AND, Healthcare is but ONE example. Call me stupid. I don't have time to prove my personal experiences and knowledge of the problems. For the record, I'm NOT for padding the CEO's wallet anymore either.
Sea Lawyer

Utica, NY

#11 Feb 28, 2013
"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!"

That's just not true at all when you think about it, because despite what the Neocons say, money tends to trickle up, rather than trickle down.

Take for example,$5 sitting in the bank account of a rich factory owner. It's literally dead, not doing much, not generating much activity. Maybe earning 2% interest a year.

Take that same $5 and put in the pockets of 5 working people. They will spend it on food, or gasoline, or something.

In due course, that $5 will wind up in the bank account of the rich guy, but not before it has been spent 3 or 4 times, generating $15 or $20 in economic activity.

So, by putting the $5 at the bottom, it multiples into 400% of itself, as opposed to leaving it in the account of the rich guy, where it only multiplies by 2 or 3%.
Sea Lawyer

Utica, NY

#12 Feb 28, 2013
The Walrus was Paul wrote:
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To be fair to WCR, socialism IN PRACTICE in many cases, has included people getting benefits which it would be a stretch to say they somehow worked for.
That's easy enough to address in an environment of socialism. Simply put people to work at whatever needs to be done rather than giving them relief. The problem is not of socialism, but rather capitalism which encourages a certain percentage of endemic unemployment in order to keep overall wages low and the surplus accruing to the owners of the means of production.

You are right in your assessment, but we can look at any system and point out the perversions of it. But that doesn't NECESSARILY mean the idea itself is inherently flawed.

I might be wrong about this but I've never heard anyone demand "Freeloaders of the World Unite!" And I don't think there ever was an "International Freeloaders of the World" union.

The United States surely the most [email protected]#$ed nation in the world. We've got the money to pay millions of people to sit around and do NOTHING...and that means we've certainly got the money to pay those same people to do SOMETHING, if only we had the will to demand "from each according to their ability."

Since: Sep 11

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#14 Feb 28, 2013
Sea Lawyer wrote:
"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!"
That's just not true at all when you think about it, because despite what the Neocons say, money tends to trickle up, rather than trickle down.
Take for example,$5 sitting in the bank account of a rich factory owner. It's literally dead, not doing much, not generating much activity. Maybe earning 2% interest a year.
Take that same $5 and put in the pockets of 5 working people. They will spend it on food, or gasoline, or something.
In due course, that $5 will wind up in the bank account of the rich guy, but not before it has been spent 3 or 4 times, generating $15 or $20 in economic activity.
So, by putting the $5 at the bottom, it multiples into 400% of itself, as opposed to leaving it in the account of the rich guy, where it only multiplies by 2 or 3%.
Genius. How well did Obama's "stimulus" program work? Giving away billions so more beer, crack, cigarettes and KFC can be purchased.

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#15 Feb 28, 2013
Sea Lawyer wrote:
"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!"
That's just not true at all when you think about it, because despite what the Neocons say, money tends to trickle up, rather than trickle down.
Take for example,$5 sitting in the bank account of a rich factory owner. It's literally dead, not doing much, not generating much activity. Maybe earning 2% interest a year.
Take that same $5 and put in the pockets of 5 working people. They will spend it on food, or gasoline, or something.
In due course, that $5 will wind up in the bank account of the rich guy, but not before it has been spent 3 or 4 times, generating $15 or $20 in economic activity.
So, by putting the $5 at the bottom, it multiples into 400% of itself, as opposed to leaving it in the account of the rich guy, where it only multiplies by 2 or 3%.
If we each have a dollar and share that dollar we each still have a dollar.
If we each have an idea and share that idea we each now have two ideas.

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#16 Feb 28, 2013
9 economic facts that will make your head spin
http://www.alternet.org/economy/9-economic-fa...
Average Dumb Schmuck

Utica, NY

#17 Feb 28, 2013
Def Leppard wrote:
<quoted text>
Genius. How well did Obama's "stimulus" program work? Giving away billions so more beer, crack, cigarettes and KFC can be purchased.


Worked out great for the owners of the breweries, the CIA, big tobacco, and the Colonel, didn't it?

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#18 Feb 28, 2013
Average Dumb Schmuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Worked out great for the owners of the breweries, the CIA, big tobacco, and the Colonel, didn't it?
What friggin planet do you live on?
It's not a mystery where the money goes.
“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.” DPM
2012 federal spending chart
http://newharmonywatch.com/wp-content/uploads...

Since: Jan 10

ishmael.org

#19 Feb 28, 2013
The only thing worse than a blind believer is a seeing denier.

Since: Nov 11

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#20 Feb 28, 2013
Ish...that pie chart seems to be for what is called "discretionary spending" only. It does not include what the GOP calls entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare. But your point about the Pentagon (and 2 major, seemingly unending wars put on the credit card at the same time taxes were actually cut) is well taken.

Just for giggles WCR and our other anti-socialist friends should try the following 3 exercises:(1) start trying to name any democratic country in the world which is politically to the right of the USA.(2) Then try to name any country in the world with a per capita income approximately equal to or greater than that of the USA (there are actually quite a few) which isn't politically to the left of the USA. and (3) Name any country in the world politically to the right of the USA where you prefer to live as an average citizen. Answers please.

Since: Nov 11

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#21 Mar 1, 2013
UpstateWizard wrote:
The Human Delusion. Universal Socialism. It is tried in different countries and results are the same. Misery. It will begin with enthusiasm and once established it naturally desolves into The Haves, the supervisors who run things and the Cant Haves. Those would be the poor shmucks who must labor.It is just human nature to want what you want and too find a way to get it.Many through inspiration and hard work achieve success,and then there are those who achieve success on the backs of the poor dumb shmucks who cannot see they are being used commonly called the Proletariet. Be Free,Stay Free, regect the lie of socialism.... the lesson endeth......
See my above post and contemplate the difference between communism (to which your comment is certainly applicable) and socialism. The entirety of western Europe is to some degree economically and politically socialist (which is certainly not to say that the USA should follow Europe's lead). I would also posit that "social mobility" is now greater in western Europe than it is in the USA, which is the true catastrophe for a nation built largely on that ideal...and I believe this to the root of the angst that now fundamentally defines all American political discourse.

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