Lino Lakes: Groups form to fight city's English-only rule

Along last month's Blue Heron Days parade route, a group of residents carried signs proclaiming "Lino Lakes: A Welcoming Community." The message was printed in Hmong, Spanish, Ojibwe, German, Romanian, Egyptian Arabic, Somali and 13 other languages. Full Story
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Johnnie

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Sep 12, 2010
Prove it. The 'enhanced by diversity' assertion, that is. Sure, it's "nice" to be inclusive but PROVE it to me that we're all enhanced by the experience. While you are at it, PROVE it to me that 'enhanced by diversity' has to necessarily include permanent multi-lingual accommodations. Otherwise, these new folks are just my neighbors, much the same as they've been all my life. We walk on the same streets, we mow our lawns, we go to our jobs, and we take care of our kids. No better and no worse except for their inability to speak the language of the land. It's well proven (US Gov studies going back to Ellis Island) that quickly learning and effectively using English is the single greatest predictive factor of the success an immigrant will have in the US. Why shortchange them by providing an artificial feel-good (and unnecessary) cushion of multi-lingual government? Unless the multi-lingual cabals really want and insist on relegating our new neighbors to a permanent second-class citizen status?

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weird

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Sep 12, 2010
The people who say that the English-only policy is not welcoming are off their rocker.

So the city spends nothing now. Have they seen how much other cities spend on non-English documentation and translators. Do they grasp how much their taxes will go up once a city govt starts going down that slippery slope?

The English-only policy is not anti-immigration and it is far from unwelcoming. The measure of how welcoming a city may be is ultimately based upon the actions of the neighbors of new people on a day-to-day basis.

These anti-English-only policy people seem to be missing the other half of the equation. If a person/family moves into a community/nation and truly wants to be part of that community, they will learn the language of the community (English). We've made it far too easy for people to have no incentive to learn the langauge and some outright refuse to learn English. That is NOT becoming part of a community. They can speak thier language and follow thier customs (within the law) as much as they want during thier private activities. It should not be an expectation that government effectively provide translators in perpetuity. If you want it so bad, sign up and pay for it yourself so they can throw an extra charge on YOUR tax bill.
anonymous

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Sep 12, 2010
Lino Lakes deserves a standing ovation for their decision. The whole idea that "English only" is unwelcoming is absurd.

A step back in history finds our non English speaking ancestors grateful enough to learn the language. Most felt blessed that they were welcomed upon these shores, free from whatever persecution they were fleeing. They labored and endured hardships unthinkable, and understood English was the spoken lanquage. So what is with the attitude of the new generation of immigrants? They give the impression we owe them something.
jvm

Wichita, KS

#4 Sep 12, 2010
If you want to come to America and become a citizen, learn the language, laws and customs. If you don't want to learn the language, laws and customs, DON'T COME HERE. If you want to come to America to live and NOT become a citizen, DON'T bother to come here! If you come to America to live and not come through customs, you are here illegally, LEAVE!
Lino Lakes

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Sep 12, 2010
Immigrants are owed NOTHING. You came here to prosper. Learn the language or go HOME. Get back on your boat, plane or cross the border by foot and get the HELL out. What a bunch of cry babies.
Way to go Lino Lakes for being critical thinkers.
Fed up

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Sep 12, 2010
jvm wrote:
If you want to come to America and become a citizen, learn the language, laws and customs. If you don't want to learn the language, laws and customs, DON'T COME HERE. If you want to come to America to live and NOT become a citizen, DON'T bother to come here! If you come to America to live and not come through customs, you are here illegally, LEAVE!
There it is in a Nutshell. Doesn't get any simpler than that.
Holy Cow

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Sep 12, 2010
24 people wow what a group. More people play gin rummy at the senior center than our opposed to English only.
Misguided group

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Sep 12, 2010
Dave Roesar deserves a great deal of credit for introducing a bill that would bring together communities and reunite people as neighbors through communication, whereas people like Robert Scarlett, Kathi Gallup, and the rest of the group apposed to English only wants to keep everyone divided for some reason who knows, other than the fact they feel diminished as people and want to be noticed for something even if it is a misguided cause. There is no benefit to anyone for this country to endorse and support multiple languages, English should be the language of the land and immigrants should strive to learn it if they truly do want to be part of the American culture.
Butt Out

Ashburn, VA

#10 Sep 12, 2010
I wish these pastors and religious "leaders" would keep their noses out of government matters.

There's a principle of separation of church and state in this country for good reason. Just look at Iran.

If they want government documents printed in various FOREIGN languages, there's nothing preventing religious groups from doing it at their own expense instead of forcing the taxpayer to fund it.

citiesgirl

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Sep 12, 2010
Printing it in 10+ languages, pretty costly. Reduce spend on print and get what you need, so much for watching spending through a recession. But another waste of our money. If you can't read or speak English and you are doing nothing to better the situation yourself by becoming educated to the standards of this country, then what are you doing here?
GParents Learned

Saint Joseph, MN

#12 Sep 12, 2010
Lino Lakes wrote:
Immigrants are owed NOTHING. You came here to prosper. Learn the language or go HOME. Get back on your boat, plane or cross the border by foot and get the HELL out. What a bunch of cry babies.
Way to go Lino Lakes for being critical thinkers.
I couldn't agree with you more! Both sets of my grandparents came from either Norway or Denmark and they started learning the English language before they even left to come here! In fact, my one Grandmother eventually went on to college at Mankato and then became a Teacher in a 1 room schoolhouse in South Dakota! Where she taught ALL the grades! It can be done! Why do we keep bowing down and letting people walk all over us w/stuff like this? It's ridiculous! Learn the language, customs, culture, etc....! If you don't like not knowing what's being said to you - LEARN or LEAVE!
pfffft

Burnsville, MN

#13 Sep 12, 2010
Theresa wrote:
Get the h e l l out of here,people are sick of all youl IDIOTS shoving this c r a p down our throats.
learn to speak English, come here in a leagal manner or GET OUT!!!
Looks like you could use a bit of brushing up on your own English skills. As the saying goes, "People in glass houses...."
anonomouse

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Sep 12, 2010
next step get them to live like americens not robbing people as a job
citiesgirl

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Sep 12, 2010
anonymous wrote:
Lino Lakes deserves a standing ovation for their decision. The whole idea that "English only" is unwelcoming is absurd.
A step back in history finds our non English speaking ancestors grateful enough to learn the language. Most felt blessed that they were welcomed upon these shores, free from whatever persecution they were fleeing. They labored and endured hardships unthinkable, and understood English was the spoken lanquage. So what is with the attitude of the new generation of immigrants? They give the impression we owe them something.
Well said. Thank you!
pfffft

Burnsville, MN

#16 Sep 12, 2010
My family has been here three generations. They came from a northern European country. The immigrants went to a church in their language, read newspapers in their language, spoke their language at home and did business in their language because they chose to live in a community with many others from their same country. My grandmother knew very little English when she started school. My father speaks only English. I know the language of my ancestors because I studied it. I thought it was sad our family had lost that bit of our heritage.

I know many Hmong young people, for example, who are only English speakers.

The same thing will happen with new immigrants. Give them time.
UpYours

AOL

#17 Sep 12, 2010
jvm wrote:
If you want to come to America and become a citizen, learn the language, laws and customs. If you don't want to learn the language, laws and customs, DON'T COME HERE. If you want to come to America to live and NOT become a citizen, DON'T bother to come here! If you come to America to live and not come through customs, you are here illegally, LEAVE!
Like "Fed up" I agree, and here it is in plain ENGLISH!
Meh

Burnsville, MN

#18 Sep 12, 2010
I wonder how many people on this board know another language and realize how difficult it is to become proficient in a new language, especially as an adult?
Meh

Burnsville, MN

#19 Sep 12, 2010
and remember that English is a notoriously difficult language to learn.
citiesgirl

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Sep 12, 2010
pfffft wrote:
My family has been here three generations. They came from a northern European country. The immigrants went to a church in their language, read newspapers in their language, spoke their language at home and did business in their language because they chose to live in a community with many others from their same country. My grandmother knew very little English when she started school. My father speaks only English. I know the language of my ancestors because I studied it. I thought it was sad our family had lost that bit of our heritage.
I know many Hmong young people, for example, who are only English speakers.
The same thing will happen with new immigrants. Give them time.
My ancestors came to this country too, learned to read and speak English, did not depend on the government to hold their hand. Didn't cry that it was unfair. They seen it was a change they needed to adapt to. If I moved to France, I would have to learn their language and culture to be accepted as part of their society, so why is that such a tough concept to grasp.
UpYours

AOL

#21 Sep 12, 2010
Meh wrote:
and remember that English is a notoriously difficult language to learn.
Then don`t bother living or moving to America.....simple.
If your already here, and can`t handle it....Go back to where you came from.

Simple.

By the way, I speak four languages, and very well I might add. I had to for the travel I did years ago. In their countries, I spoke there language.

Simple.

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