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Toyota Camry involved in deadly 2006 crash will be inspected

There are 18 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Mar 22, 2010, titled Toyota Camry involved in deadly 2006 crash will be inspected. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Representatives of the Ramsey County attorney's office, police and lawyers for a man convicted of criminal vehicular homicide agreed this morning to a timeline for inspecting the Toyota Camry involved in a deadly St.

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SallyLee

South Saint Paul, MN

#1 Mar 22, 2010
Good. This needs to be re-investigated throughly. No mattrer what the outcome, this is certainly sad and so troubling.
St Paul Native

South Saint Paul, MN

#2 Mar 22, 2010
Let this man go. They know that this car was one of them that had this problem. The courts need to admit they made a mistake. Many people lost loved ones this day but I beleive that the car maker is to blame not this man.
AnokaMN00453

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Mar 22, 2010
I always suspected that this man's car had mechanical problems. He should be freed pending further investigation of his car.
gwisahoax

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Mar 22, 2010
I predict that they find nothing when they re-examine the car. Not because I think Lee is guilty, but because there is nothing to find in electronics failure. If what Lee says is true (and I believe it is) the crash was due to an electronics malfunction sending a signal to the computer to accelerate. Once the engine is shut off, all evidence is gone.

The result will be driver error which in my opinion is still not a crime. It may take a Pardon to set this man free.
whatever

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Mar 22, 2010
they should let this man go while they're reinvestigating, this is just retarded. Mechanical defect is not a crime, I don't see how the juror can even convict this man and go home to sleep. Drunk drivers walk away over and over, yet a man with his whole family coming home from church is convicted of vehicular homocide because he wants to kill his whole family? idiot jurors + no brain judge.
Dee

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Mar 22, 2010
I don't think they're going to find anything. Even if this car was one of the Camry's recalled for the cruise control, I would think that stomping on the brake would've caused the cruise to shut off. This particular car has a cable-driven accelerator, NOT an electronic one. If he stepped on the brake, it should have stopped the car. I think that he was simply an inexperienced driver, that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Buzz Lightly

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Mar 22, 2010
Dee wrote:
I don't think they're going to find anything. Even if this car was one of the Camry's recalled for the cruise control, I would think that stomping on the brake would've caused the cruise to shut off. This particular car has a cable-driven accelerator, NOT an electronic one. If he stepped on the brake, it should have stopped the car. I think that he was simply an inexperienced driver, that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
There are a number of malfunctions, both mechanical and electronic, that could have caused the car to accelerate out of control. In convicting this person the jury should have required proof that the car did not malfunction. Apparently they didn't.
Dee

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Mar 22, 2010
Buzz Lightly wrote:
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There are a number of malfunctions, both mechanical and electronic, that could have caused the car to accelerate out of control. In convicting this person the jury should have required proof that the car did not malfunction. Apparently they didn't.
Like what? I'm not being obstinate, I'm just curious. They did check the brakes, and found them to be fine. The only issue I've read about was the cruise control. I still think it was just an inexperienced driver (he had been driving about a year when this happened). Maybe he turned on the cruise by accident. Maybe it did malfunction. Maybe he panicked and hit the wrong pedal. It happens. I have a '98 4Runner and haven't had any problems with either.
Driver

Long Lake, MN

#10 Mar 22, 2010
Anything can happen including the mechanical linkage failing in that car.

Before putting him in prison they should have had a mechanical engineer AND a manfacturer engineer do a thorough inspection of the car. It was a used car and there are lots of "Hacks" out there fixing cars. It could have been a repairable.
Buzz Lightly

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Mar 22, 2010
Dee wrote:
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Like what? I'm not being obstinate, I'm just curious. They did check the brakes, and found them to be fine. The only issue I've read about was the cruise control. I still think it was just an inexperienced driver (he had been driving about a year when this happened). Maybe he turned on the cruise by accident. Maybe it did malfunction. Maybe he panicked and hit the wrong pedal. It happens. I have a '98 4Runner and haven't had any problems with either.
A spring might have popped off the accelerator return, the cruise control might have malfunctioned. The electronic control system may have malfunctioned. If the engine is revving that high, the brake pads would overheat and render the brakes useless.
Toyfan

Nicholasville, KY

#12 Mar 22, 2010
Buzz Lightly wrote:
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A spring might have popped off the accelerator return, the cruise control might have malfunctioned. The electronic control system may have malfunctioned. If the engine is revving that high, the brake pads would overheat and render the brakes useless.
Brakes will overpower the engine.it has been proven again and again.
Hah

Mililani, HI

#13 Mar 23, 2010
All good points, but realize that a 'malfunction' CAN occur regardless of a recall or not. If you happen to be the owner of a "Lemon" then it could be an accident just waiting to happen. Regardless of what they find, there were a lot of innocent people hurt and/or had lost their lives. I say God Bless them all and may this serve as a lesson to our automakers. Airplanes have secondary back up systems why can't cars have them?
Mr T

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Mar 23, 2010
They wont find anything. State investigators already examined the car during the trial and found nothing wrong. You can BET Toyota's experts wont find anything either, just like they cant find anything wrong with some of the Camrys/Prius's/etc that people have the same complaints about. Awful lot of people saying it has happened to them - but cant seem to find the cause.

The whole situation is sad, but 8 yrs is an awfully long sentence for this crime - compared to others that I've seen.
Reality

Hollywood, FL

#15 Mar 23, 2010
Since the car was 10 Years old at the time of the crash improper maintenance OR we all know how the Hmong love to MODIFY cars!!!!
Buzz Lightly

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Mar 23, 2010
Toyfan wrote:
<quoted text>Brakes will overpower the engine.it has been proven again and again.
No, it hasn't been proven again and again.
Driver

Delano, MN

#17 Mar 23, 2010
Try it in your car, stomp on the gas and smash the brakes. As soon as the brakes get hot they loose stopping ability and burn up.

Once/if the car is slowed by the brakes the tranny will downshift and once in a lower gear the motor WILL overpower the brakes.

This car was inspected by a City of St Paul mechanic, he may inspect cars like they fill pot holes in St Paul.

One way to find out is to have EXPERTS from and experianced lab and Toyota engineers inspect the car. Ya can't trush Toyota because they have a different agenda, covering their arse to avoid another lawsuit.

Remember the human nature aspect cannot be overlooked. The Lexus that went out of control was driven by a state trooper and he couldn't think of simply slipping the Lexus into NEUTRAL when it was going 120 MPH!! It went into the ditch killing 4 people.
Toyfan

Nicholasville, KY

#18 Apr 3, 2010
Buzz Lightly wrote:
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No, it hasn't been proven again and again.
Caranddriver proved it.popular mechanics proved it. Do some research on the subject instead of listening to opinions.
Buzz Lightly

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Apr 3, 2010
Toyfan wrote:
<quoted text>Caranddriver proved it.popular mechanics proved it. Do some research on the subject instead of listening to opinions.
I did the research. Car and Driver did not prove it. They did show that a newer Toyota equipped with 4-wheel disk brakes (not standard in '96) and ABS (not standard in '96) and a professional driver who knows exactly what is happening will eventually stop from speeds of 70 mph and 100 mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how...

Had Car and Driver picked up an everyday driver from off of the street, put him in an older car, kept him in the dark as to what the test was, and surprised him with a sudden acceleration, their results might have had some relevance to this case.

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