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Friend gives up helmet on snowmobile ride, dies in Lino Lakes crash

There are 57 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Mar 3, 2011, titled Friend gives up helmet on snowmobile ride, dies in Lino Lakes crash. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Nervous about riding on a snowmobile for the first time since she was about 10 years old, Adrianne Knotz said her friend John Brandenburger gave her his helmet to ease her worry.

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Since: Jan 09

United States of America

#45 Mar 4, 2011
Vikings Fan wrote:
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I see nothing in the article about drinking after work until 2:00 AM. You seem to be pretty good at being a judgemental "arsehole". His friends said that he did not appear drunk. And he obviously had decent judgement to give the young woman his helmet. I think most if not all posters here don't agree with driving any type of vehicle drunk. I also agree with the other posters here that this was tragic, and we need to let the families mourn.
Well, the article stated he and the girl met friends at the bar after work on Wednesday night. The accident occured about 2:00 am the next morning. My bad, I thought they were at the bar until just before two. What did I miss here? Sounds like they hit the tree at full speed. I concluded that alcohol was a factor. What is your theory?

Since: Jan 09

United States of America

#46 Mar 4, 2011
WBL mommy wrote:
My condolences to the families of both the young friends. How very, very sad. My heart goes out to you during this awful time of grieving..may you some day find comfort in your memories.
And to those of you placing blame...its human nature to blame everything on something or another - in this case however, what good does blame do now? Let the families mourn in peace. This was an awful accident - nobody is at fault.
Wrong, the guy driving was at fault. If it makes you feel better to call it an accident, so be it. How is this different than slamming a car into a tree? It was preventable.
Rich U

United States

#47 Mar 4, 2011
So sorry and terribly ironic.
black betty

United States

#48 Mar 4, 2011
The Negotiator wrote:
<quoted text> Well, the article stated he and the girl met friends at the bar after work on Wednesday night. The accident occured about 2:00 am the next morning. My bad, I thought they were at the bar until just before two. What did I miss here? Sounds like they hit the tree at full speed. I concluded that alcohol was a factor. What is your theory?
Tv news reports that they were seen drinking, but didnít seem drunk, ahhh yeah alcohol was involved. may be he was just impaired, by the way that yamaha he was riding is capable of speeds in excess of 120 mph.
Youdontknowitall

Chicago, IL

#49 Mar 4, 2011
The Negotiator wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong, the guy driving was at fault. If it makes you feel better to call it an accident, so be it. How is this different than slamming a car into a tree? It was preventable.
A drunk passenger can be equally as dangerous if not worse than a drunk driver if they're unaware of the surroundings and are not using proper body mechanics to keep the snowmobile in control. the weight of a passenger shifting in the wrong direction at precisely the right moment can cause the snowmobile to lose control.
How are you so sure it wasn't an accident?
sam i am

United States

#50 Mar 4, 2011
Youdontknowitall wrote:
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A drunk passenger can be equally as dangerous if not worse than a drunk driver if they're unaware of the surroundings and are not using proper body mechanics to keep the snowmobile in control. the weight of a passenger shifting in the wrong direction at precisely the right moment can cause the snowmobile to lose control.
How are you so sure it wasn't an accident?
so does the use of alcohol.
and then itís not an accident.
Youdontknowitall

Chicago, IL

#51 Mar 5, 2011
Speculate all you want, but only having this small amount of media information doesn't give anyone the grounds to have such strong opinions about this accident or crash if you insist. Somehow, people with no expertise in accident investigation or forensics suddenly become experts when they're sitting anonymously behind a keyboard, as if they've never had a lapse in judgement wether sober or impaired. Everyone knows someone that this could very well have been. The tragically young demise of anyone is sad and it always leaves behind loved ones who are grieving the loss regarless of wether or not this could have been prevented. It's our duty as human beings to respect that. I pray for the families involved here to have the strength while they go through the healing process of losing this promising young man.
Turk

Long Lake, MN

#52 Mar 5, 2011
Look people this is a NEWSPAPER where news is printed.

This is not a tribute page to the deceased nor is it the funeral home during his showing.

This is a page where people comment on news and sometimes those comments hurt peoples feelings.
If you are easily offended by reading postings here maybe you should stick to the tribute or obit page.

Since: Jan 09

United States of America

#55 Mar 6, 2011
Youdontknowitall wrote:
Speculate all you want, but only having this small amount of media information doesn't give anyone the grounds to have such strong opinions about this accident or crash if you insist. Somehow, people with no expertise in accident investigation or forensics suddenly become experts when they're sitting anonymously behind a keyboard, as if they've never had a lapse in judgement wether sober or impaired. Everyone knows someone that this could very well have been. The tragically young demise of anyone is sad and it always leaves behind loved ones who are grieving the loss regarless of wether or not this could have been prevented. It's our duty as human beings to respect that. I pray for the families involved here to have the strength while they go through the healing process of losing this promising young man.
Last I looked, this was an opinion forum, why the gnashing of the teeth?
Turk

Saint Paul, MN

#56 Mar 6, 2011
Youdontknowitall wrote:
Speculate all you want, but only having this small amount of media information doesn't give anyone the grounds to have such strong opinions about this accident or crash if you insist. Somehow, people with no expertise in accident investigation or forensics suddenly become experts when they're sitting anonymously behind a keyboard, as if they've never had a lapse in judgement wether sober or impaired. Everyone knows someone that this could very well have been. The tragically young demise of anyone is sad and it always leaves behind loved ones who are grieving the loss regarless of wether or not this could have been prevented. It's our duty as human beings to respect that. I pray for the families involved here to have the strength while they go through the healing process of losing this promising young man.
Ask a crash investigator if there is such a thing as an accident.

Just ask them if they ever skip performing a crash investigation because it is judged an ACCIDENT.

There IS ALWAYS a "root cause" of every crash, EVERY CRASH.
MAY PEACE BE WITH YOU

United States

#57 Mar 8, 2011
The Negotiator wrote:
<quoted text> Well, the article stated he and the girl met friends at the bar after work on Wednesday night. The accident occured about 2:00 am the next morning. My bad, I thought they were at the bar until just before two. What did I miss here? Sounds like they hit the tree at full speed. I concluded that alcohol was a factor. What is your theory?
Bar closed at 1 AM. traveling time on a snowmobile to the lake from where "drinking" to where the accident occured only takes 15 minutes tops.... no assumptions, but this can also say that a lot can happen in 45 minutes....
Stan

Hopkins, MN

#58 Mar 10, 2011
I am sorry but my sympathies only go so far for someone was obviously drinking and speeding. RIP regardless.
Bex

United States

#59 Mar 10, 2011
MADD MOM wrote:
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We all appreciate your trying to divert attention and divert and trying to create a side story and excuse this rotten behavior, but sorry, we're too smart for that. Horrible people like you who excuse drunk driving are pathetic human beings.
Wow shut up..... Why don't you wait for the facts?
Bex

United States

#60 Mar 10, 2011
MAY PEACE BE WITH YOU wrote:
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Bar closed at 1 AM. traveling time on a snowmobile to the lake from where "drinking" to where the accident occured only takes 15 minutes tops.... no assumptions, but this can also say that a lot can happen in 45 minutes....
The accident happened at 1:35am, that is the time one friend called police. Get it right. Oh, and the girl worked at the bar. They were picking her up.
Youdontknowitall

Chicago, IL

#61 Mar 11, 2011
MADD MOM wrote:
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We all appreciate your trying to divert attention and divert and trying to create a side story and excuse this rotten behavior, but sorry, we're too smart for that. Horrible people like you who excuse drunk driving are pathetic human beings.
MADD MOM? What exactly is your mission there with the MADD organization? To forget that there is a MOTHER here who also lost a son (possibly to drunk driving?) who also deserves organizations like MADD to reach out to her and offer her a safe understanding environment to get support?! even if her son the one who died was the alleged drunk driver!!
No one is excusing his drunk driving because NO ONE has determined without a doubt that he was in fact drunk driving!

My cousin died 3 years ago in a snowmobile accident in Northern Minnesota at the young age of 24. She was NOT drinking even a drop of alcohol and a YEAR later someone finally determined that faulty manufacturing of the snowmobile was the cause of her accident. I think the person who suggested looking into faulty parts on the snowmobile is useful information and i don't see it as him diverting anything.
Youdontknowitall

Chicago, IL

#62 Mar 11, 2011
The Negotiator wrote:
<quoted text> Last I looked, this was an opinion forum, why the gnashing of the teeth?
I think you missed my point. Yes, this is an opinion forum. Strong accusatory opinions are inappropriate. Boldly stating "wrong, the driver was at fault" is not ok unless the FACTS suggest that to be true.
Is she a victim

Chicago, IL

#63 Mar 11, 2011
Anyone who knowingly gets into a vehicle or on a snowmobile with someone who they know has consumed alcohol is hardly a victim. Assumption of risk? Yes! unfortunately she took a risk knowing the consequences!!

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