Sharing the pain

Sharing the pain

There are 12 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 26, 2011, titled Sharing the pain. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

It would be more comfortable for me if the U.S. Congress shared the national economic pain by taking cuts in congressional pay and benefits.

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stubby

Minneapolis, MN

#1 May 27, 2011
In response to Robert Shumer, what the artical didn't tell you was why they sell the gasoline. Due to the wonderful tree-huggers, the same ones who won't let a new bridge in Stillwater be built, a new oil refinery hasn't been able to be built in the US in almost 30 years. The gasoline you are referring to, is refined in Texas I believe, and sold to Latin America. It's more cost efective to sell it there than truck it to California, and the Pacific Northwest where they lack the ability to refine. If the US was able to build more refineries, it would greatly help in some of the cost of a gallon of gas.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#2 May 27, 2011
" We pay the price and can't do anything about it. This should make everyone's blood b-oil! "
Sounds like you are against capatalism. Without profits oil companies couldn't do exploratory drilling. Without profits ALL companies would close.

“Freedom and responsibility”

Since: Dec 10

St. Paul

#3 May 27, 2011
Former Ranger wrote:
" We pay the price and can't do anything about it. This should make everyone's blood b-oil! "
Sounds like you are against capatalism. Without profits oil companies couldn't do exploratory drilling. Without profits ALL companies would close.
It's amazing the country has survived this long with so many not understanding something as simple as you wrote. Profit is organizing resources and getting something more. Businesses have costs (resources used) and revenues (the value of what they produce). When the value of what's been produced exceeds the value of what was consumed to make it, that's called a profit. Without profit, no one would take risk and everything would come to a stop. We need a national economics teach-in night.
Bob in the Grove

Cottage Grove, MN

#4 May 27, 2011
"Have any of you ever heard of separation of church and state?"

Barbara Huddle, Lino Lakes

Yeah, Thomas Jefferson wrote it in a letter to the Danbury Baptists in Connecticut. He was assuring them that the government would leave them alone. He also did not write the Constitution. He was in France and had no part of it.
Establish and separation are two different words with different meanings. The separation myth was created by an activist Supreme Court. Furthermore, the First Amendment says "congress" shall... The writers of the Constitution left many things to the states.

Since: Apr 11

Saint Paul, MN

#5 May 27, 2011
Robert H. Scarlett, you couldn't be more wrong. Hitler was not a Catholic, but actually a hybrid of Humanist Christian Mysticism.

“Ahhhh hee ahw”

Since: Aug 09

Twin Cities

#6 May 27, 2011
Robert H. Scarlettis nothing more than a bigot

Since: Apr 11

Saint Paul, MN

#7 May 27, 2011
sock wrote:
Robert H. Scarlettis nothing more than a bigot
He should admit that he hates Christians and that is why he wrote a letter full of falsehoods. I am suprised that the Pioneer Press would print something that makes such extreme claims based on lies.
Gndydncr

Maple Grove, MN

#8 May 27, 2011
Path of Reason wrote:
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It's amazing the country has survived this long with so many not understanding something as simple as you wrote. Profit is organizing resources and getting something more. Businesses have costs (resources used) and revenues (the value of what they produce). When the value of what's been produced exceeds the value of what was consumed to make it, that's called a profit. Without profit, no one would take risk and everything would come to a stop. We need a national economics teach-in night.
"Don't confuse me with facts. My mind is already made up."
Gndydncr

Maple Grove, MN

#9 May 27, 2011
Note to Barbara Huddle, Lino Lakes: Religion is a part of every decision made, whether you are pro-religion or anti-religion. A person's religion, or lack thereof, affects their thinking and their thinking influences their choices (votes).
anti Christian fatuities

Minneapolis, MN

#10 May 27, 2011
Copy Books wrote:
Robert H. Scarlett, you couldn't be more wrong. Hitler was not a Catholic, but actually a hybrid of Humanist Christian Mysticism.
His is the typical dilettante's "Hitler was a Christian" glib, facile fatuity. The genuine Christians who lived in Hitler's Germany knew differently.

http://www.amazon.com/Bonhoeffer-Pastor-Marty... -- Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy

"The Nazis were anti-Christian, but they would pretend to be Christians as long as it served their purposes of getting theologically ignorant Germans on their side against the Jews.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer in 1933, at age 26,... gave a radio talk on the problem only two days after Germans elected Hitler to be their chancellor. He said, "Whereas earlier leadership was expressed in the form of the teacher, the statesman, the father ... now the Leader has become an independent figure. The Leader is completely divorced from any office; he is essentially and only 'the Leader.'"

Bonhoeffer continued his critique of the Führer principle: "If he does not continually tell his followers quite clearly of the limited nature of his task and of their own responsibility ... then the image of the Leader will pass over into the image of the mis-leader, and he will be acting in a criminal way not only towards those he leads, but also towards himself. The true Leader ... has to lead the individual into his own maturity.... He must let himself be controlled, ordered, restricted."

And that, of course, is what Hitler refused to do: He demanded worship. As Metaxas skillfully shows, he manipulated weak churchmen for his own purposes and had his prime propagandist, Alfred Rosenberg, create a plan for a "National Reich Church." Metaxas quotes Rosenberg's plan: "The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany.... The National Church declares that to it, and therefore to the German nation, it has been decided that the Führer's Mein Kampf is the greatest of all documents.... On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf."

Bonhoeffer vehemently opposed such plans and those of the "German Christian" movement, as enunciated in 1933 by Reinhold Krause: Get rid of the Old Testament "with its Jewish money morality and its tales of cattle merchants and pimps." Rewrite the New Testament so it presents a Jesus "corresponding entirely with the demands of National Socialism" and removes the depressing "emphasis on the crucified Christ."

Bonhoeffer also opposed liberal Christianity that, like secular totalitarianism, attempts to conform the Bible to the trends of modern society. He critiqued such kissing up and criticized "cheap grace," by which an intellectual assent to Christian truth seems sufficient: No confession, repentance, discipleship, or discipline needed."
Citizen owners of Big Oil

Minneapolis, MN

#11 May 27, 2011
Former Ranger wrote:
" We pay the price and can't do anything about it. This should make everyone's blood b-oil! "
Sounds like you are against capatalism. Without profits oil companies couldn't do exploratory drilling. Without profits ALL companies would close.
An fact invariably unmentioned by the demagogues: it's the little people who are "Big Oil."

"According to a report published in 2007 by Sonecon, an economic advisory firm that analyses U.S. markets and public policy, corporate management owns only 1.5 percent of the U.S. oil and natural gas industry.

"The rest is owned by tens of millions of Americans through retirement accounts (14 percent) and pension funds (26 percent). Mutual funds or other firms account for 29.5 percent ownership and individual investors own 23 percent of oil stock holdings.

"Institutional investors hold the remaining 5 percent."

“Freedom and responsibility”

Since: Dec 10

St. Paul

#12 May 27, 2011
Gndydncr wrote:
<quoted text>"Don't confuse me with facts. My mind is already made up."
For too many voters, there's no mind to confuse. Truly, it's amazing how our country has survived as capitalist with such ignorance.

Here's my idea: If you pay nothing in taxes, you need to complete an annual 3 hour on-line class covering basic topics in civics, responsibility, and economics. That's the least they owe us when many of us take longer than 3 hours just to figure out what we owe, forgetting about working a big chunk of the year to pay it.

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