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TSF

Greenville, NC

#44891 Nov 26, 2013
Just when the noise machine was starting to convince me that Obamacare is precursor of Armagedon, the republican speaker of the house, John Boehner signed up for Obamacare this week.
"Things get curiouser and curiouser."
Makin bacon wrote:
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TSF, gouging people for premiums happened before Obamacare and NO ONE working on the big Obamacare plan had a clue?? Again, another weakness and big show of how inept Obama is regarding anything other than stump speeches with a teleprompter and being nothing more than a professional campaigner, not a leader.
I don't have numbers to prove my ideas, so maybe you could crunch them. Wouldn't it make better sense to have free market trading across state lines which would force more insurance companies to be more competitive and lower their prices and also give a larger pool of insurance companies for people to choose from. For instance, someone my age doesn't need maternity coverage, my husband and I have no history of heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, or obesity and we're in a very low risk category. The cost of my insurance should reflect these low risk factors and I shouldn't have to pick an insurance plan with a 5k or 10k deductible.
Given a large variety of competitive insurance companies and considering the health of the person applying and members in the family needing coverage, everyone should find something to fit their budget and then be given vouchers. If you have to put a little more to get the coverage then that's on the person making the choice. There will always be Medicaid and Medicare and I think part B of Medicare paid by our seniors should get help with the 20% they have to pay. I don't have a clue how much others pay for their insurance, but our insurance for my husband and myself is reasonable to us and we're satisfied with the plan we have.
This plan may sound simple, but the Dems have tied the Repubs hands at this point and unless there's some act of God, this country is saddled with Obama making sure once again he's Robin Hood.
TSF

Greenville, NC

#44892 Nov 26, 2013
I think Allen's perspective is on target. I am unsure why, but I have always enjoyed playing demolition derby with any turd in a Mercedes who decides to crowd me on the road. It makes my insurance premiums go up, but it seems to be worth it. It isn't really antipathy for the rich but rather abhorrence toward the effect money has on many of those who have never experienced wealth before and on those who have inherited wealth and believe it makes them special. I just see no justification for rudeness and the rich seem generally to have more than their share. Some of us out here just have a blasphemous irreverence for money.
waco1909 wrote:
Your antipathy towards the rich must have been engendered by a personal experience, perhaps? Their is something beyond the ordinary there, I think.

Since: Dec 11

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#44893 Nov 26, 2013
TSF wrote:
Just when the noise machine was starting to convince me that Obamacare is precursor of Armagedon, the republican speaker of the house, John Boehner signed up for Obamacare this week.
"Things get curiouser and curiouser."
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He only did it to try to show the glitches and actually he did get signed up. I have tried multiple times to see if I could get signed on to see for myself if it's difficult to do and I haven't succeeded yet.

After trying multiple times to sign up via the website, called the help number and they did take some information by phone and were going to send me the paperwork. It hasn't happened and that's been three weeks, I'm counting.

I know my insurance plan sounds simple, what do you think?

While I'm at it, I've been reading about the knockout game where blacks are beating the heck out of whites or anyone not black. I have a simple solution, pull a George Zimmerman and shoot their ass if they don't knock you out first and if you're not knocked out shoot at them and hopefully hit one of them. If may not deter the problem totally, but it will start eliminating them a little at a time. Damn bunch of thugs hitting and killing people for the hell of it and then whining and moaning about profiling by police officers. If the police officers can't profile them, the average Joe ought to be able to shoot them in self-defense and then the ME will have a body to profile. That's my idea of profiling.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#44894 Nov 26, 2013
TSF wrote:
I think Allen's perspective is on target. I am unsure why, but I have always enjoyed playing demolition derby with any turd in a Mercedes who decides to crowd me on the road. It makes my insurance premiums go up, but it seems to be worth it. It isn't really antipathy for the rich but rather abhorrence toward the effect money has on many of those who have never experienced wealth before and on those who have inherited wealth and believe it makes them special. I just see no justification for rudeness and the rich seem generally to have more than their share. Some of us out here just have a blasphemous irreverence for money.
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TSF, aren't you being just a bit hypocritical? Didn't you say you have a small plane you use and you also own your own company. Judging from the different locations of your post, you must travel a good bit and I'll assume that's for business. You seem to be a hard working person that's keeping their business afloat and you've managed to raise several children and send them all to college. I don't believe you work this hard at the end of the day to figure out you only made 50k a year?!?!?

I don't begrudge wealthy people, nor am I jealous of what kind of car they drive. People on welfare can drive a Cadillac and I've yet to figure that out, so how do you determine when you see someone driving a Mercedes if they're the rich on welfare or the poor on welfare as you often call out both groups?

I drove a BMW for years and it didn't mean I was wealthy or hanging out with the likes of Bill Gates. Come on TSF, you're better than that.

My kid paid to go through medical school and works her butt off, do you not think she should make more than a mechanic? I was going to say plumber but they make darn good money. Do you think she should be ashamed of her earnings? She's married now, lives in an extremely modest home by middle class standards and drives a paid for Toyota. Not everyone that has money throws it around overtly just because they have it. Also, my kid DONATES plenty of time to help others not as fortunate. We'd be lucky to have more people like her in this country.

“Seek Light”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#44895 Nov 26, 2013
TSF wrote:
I think Allen's perspective is on target. I am unsure why, but I have always enjoyed playing demolition derby with any turd in a Mercedes who decides to crowd me on the road. It makes my insurance premiums go up, but it seems to be worth it. It isn't really antipathy for the rich but rather abhorrence toward the effect money has on many of those who have never experienced wealth before and on those who have inherited wealth and believe it makes them special. I just see no justification for rudeness and the rich seem generally to have more than their share. Some of us out here just have a blasphemous irreverence for money.
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I don't think we will have to worry about those pesky Mercedes for long.In order to pay for healthcare, people will be cutting back dramatically.This will have a domino effect on the economy.As far as Obamacare,Boehner was signing up to see if he could indeed sign up.At first, like everyone else, he was told he'd have to wait, then miraculously he was approved immediately.Boehner said that apparently, being Speaker of the House sped things right up.When he gets the details in his plan, he will share that info with America.....Back to the economy, people interviewed plan on decreasing almost all non essential purchases.This is expected to slam retail outlets, who will respond by cutting employees, and even shutting their doors.By 2016 the full effects of Obamacare will be apparent.We will all feel this, even the rich.
TSF

Greenville, NC

#44896 Nov 26, 2013
I am fortunate in that I have not had to deal with Obamacare.
As far as the gangs, this has been happening for some time. They used to call it "wilding" before that , long before, they called it "selling wolf tickets" . Concealed carry gives you some protection only if you have the mindset not to hesitate when the moment arrives. That 1/4 second hesitation can cost you your life. On the other side, that 1/2 second hasty decision can cost you your freedom. Its easy to misread a situation .
Most likely scenario, one or two will get your attention while another sneaks up from the side or behind and does the sucker punch. Predators are not going to usually confront you or give any warning.
Makin bacon wrote:
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He only did it to try to show the glitches and actually he did get signed up. I have tried multiple times to see if I could get signed on to see for myself if it's difficult to do and I haven't succeeded yet.
After trying multiple times to sign up via the website, called the help number and they did take some information by phone and were going to send me the paperwork. It hasn't happened and that's been three weeks, I'm counting.
I know my insurance plan sounds simple, what do you think?
While I'm at it, I've been reading about the knockout game where blacks are beating the heck out of whites or anyone not black. I have a simple solution, pull a George Zimmerman and shoot their ass if they don't knock you out first and if you're not knocked out shoot at them and hopefully hit one of them. If may not deter the problem totally, but it will start eliminating them a little at a time. Damn bunch of thugs hitting and killing people for the hell of it and then whining and moaning about profiling by police officers. If the police officers can't profile them, the average Joe ought to be able to shoot them in self-defense and then the ME will have a body to profile. That's my idea of profiling.
Taxpayer

Point Harbor, NC

#44897 Nov 26, 2013
Allen wrote:
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If the rich had their way, there would be no poor or middle class and then they could just scheme, scam and thieve from each other until they eventually create yet another class of poor.
There is that communist minded thinking. Pity me, I need the government to steal for me.
Allen

Penrose, NC

#44898 Nov 26, 2013
TSF wrote:
I think Allen's perspective is on target. I am unsure why, but I have always enjoyed playing demolition derby with any turd in a Mercedes who decides to crowd me on the road. It makes my insurance premiums go up, but it seems to be worth it. It isn't really antipathy for the rich but rather abhorrence toward the effect money has on many of those who have never experienced wealth before and on those who have inherited wealth and believe it makes them special. I just see no justification for rudeness and the rich seem generally to have more than their share. Some of us out here just have a blasphemous irreverence for money.
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For years I drove a Ford Escort, this year I bought a Mustang. I have always had a clean driving record. I usually never do more than five miles over the posted limit but you wouldn't believe the idiots that want to challenge you just because you drive a sporty car. If I'm on the interstate I try to get in front of them in a spot where they can't pass then slow down to five miles below the posted limit. That always pisses them off. Lol.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#44899 Nov 26, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
Robin Hood took from the rich, gave to the poor.Obama wants to take from the middle class, and give to the poor.If Obama has his way, there will be only rich, and poor.No middle class.
Stealing is stealing and wrong no matter what the motive.

“Seek Light”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#44900 Nov 26, 2013
Obama has been played by the Iranians.This will have the effect of causing the Saudis and the Turks to develop nukes, which will dramatically destabilize the whole area, which isn't real stable to begin with.

“Seek Light”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#44901 Nov 26, 2013
Allen wrote:
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For years I drove a Ford Escort, this year I bought a Mustang. I have always had a clean driving record. I usually never do more than five miles over the posted limit but you wouldn't believe the idiots that want to challenge you just because you drive a sporty car. If I'm on the interstate I try to get in front of them in a spot where they can't pass then slow down to five miles below the posted limit. That always pisses them off. Lol.
I used to do that.After the idiot rear ended my car, I got out of the habit of teaching people a lesson on the highway.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#44902 Nov 26, 2013
Ben wrote:
Another great headline: "Companies Prepare to Pass More Health Costs to Workers
Firms Brace for Influx of Participants in Insurance Plans Who Had Earlier Opted Out", gets better and better.
Companies have been passing health insurance costs on to their employees, YEARS Before ObamaCare was Invented...
Allen

Penrose, NC

#44903 Nov 26, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
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There is that communist minded thinking. Pity me, I need the government to steal for me.
No, what I don't need is the government to steal from me then enable the rich to steal from them. What I don't need is TEA "Tax Everything Again". What I don't need is TEA "Terrorist Extorting America".
Taxpayer

Point Harbor, NC

#44904 Nov 26, 2013
One of the most startling gaps in the Communist minded theory is the lack of any clear notion of how a Communist economy would be organized. In the writings of the founders of communism, there is virtually nothing on this subject. This gap was not an oversight, but was in fact a necessary consequence of the general theory of communism. That theory taught, in effect, that as a society moves inevitably from one level of development to another, there is no way of knowing what the next stage will demand until in fact it has arrived. Communism will supplant and destroy the market economy of capitalism. What will its own economy be like? That we cannot know until we are there and have a chance to see what the world looks like without any institution resembling an economic market. The manifesto, in fact, expresses a deep contempt for “utopian socialists” who propose “an organization of society specially contrived” by them, instead of waiting out the verdict of history and depending on the “spontaneous class organization of the proletariat.” The Communist economy would organize itself according to principles that would become apparent only when the arena had been cleared of the market principle.
Operating then, in this vacuum of guidance left behind by Mark’s prophets, how did the founders of the Soviet Union proceed to organize their new economy? The answer is that they applied as faithfully as they could the teachings of their masters. Since those teachings were essentially negative, their actions had to have the same quality. They started by attempting to root out from the Russian scene every vestige of the market principle, even discouraging the use of money, which they hoped soon to abolish altogether. The production and distribution of goods were put under central direction, the theory being that the flow of goods would be directed by social need without reference to principles of profit and loss. This experiment began in 1919 and came to an abrupt end in March of 1921. It was a catastrophic failure. Sound familiar? It brought with it administrative chaos and an almost inconceivable disorder in economic affairs, culminating in appalling shortages of the most elementary necessities. Sounds like where we are headed with this communist want to be government.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#44905 Nov 26, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Companies have been passing health insurance costs on to their employees, YEARS Before ObamaCare was Invented...
Now because of Obamacare, they're passing insurance costs to the whole country. As usual the consumer will pay twice for whatever goods or commodities companies are offering. The company offering healthcare will have to offset the NEW cost of Obamacare by raising their prices and then the consumer will have to pay higher prices for their new Obamacare coverage. A no win situation.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#44906 Nov 26, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
One of the most startling gaps in the Communist minded theory is the lack of any clear notion of how a Communist economy would be organized. In the writings of the founders of communism, there is virtually nothing on this subject. This gap was not an oversight, but was in fact a necessary consequence of the general theory of communism. That theory taught, in effect, that as a society moves inevitably from one level of development to another, there is no way of knowing what the next stage will demand until in fact it has arrived. Communism will supplant and destroy the market economy of capitalism. What will its own economy be like? That we cannot know until we are there and have a chance to see what the world looks like without any institution resembling an economic market. The manifesto, in fact, expresses a deep contempt for “utopian socialists” who propose “an organization of society specially contrived” by them, instead of waiting out the verdict of history and depending on the “spontaneous class organization of the proletariat.” The Communist economy would organize itself according to principles that would become apparent only when the arena had been cleared of the market principle.
Operating then, in this vacuum of guidance left behind by Mark’s prophets, how did the founders of the Soviet Union proceed to organize their new economy? The answer is that they applied as faithfully as they could the teachings of their masters. Since those teachings were essentially negative, their actions had to have the same quality. They started by attempting to root out from the Russian scene every vestige of the market principle, even discouraging the use of money, which they hoped soon to abolish altogether. The production and distribution of goods were put under central direction, the theory being that the flow of goods would be directed by social need without reference to principles of profit and loss. This experiment began in 1919 and came to an abrupt end in March of 1921. It was a catastrophic failure. Sound familiar? It brought with it administrative chaos and an almost inconceivable disorder in economic affairs, culminating in appalling shortages of the most elementary necessities. Sounds like where we are headed with this communist want to be government.
Are You a Member Of The John Birch Society???? Do you see Commies under your bed, and behind every tree and bush ???
Allen

Penrose, NC

#44907 Nov 26, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> I used to do that.After the idiot rear ended my car, I got out of the habit of teaching people a lesson on the highway.
The way I see they have two choices, either back the hell off or eat this pony. They want to eat it fine, they can buy two new ones. Lol.
TSF

Greenville, NC

#44908 Nov 26, 2013
I may be somewhat, I don't know. I have worked very hard for many years and have been blessed beyond any of my youthful expectations. Some years, thankfully few, my employees made more than I did. I am not jealous of wealth, I just do not worship it. I could drive a Mercedes, but I don't like them. My experience with vehicles over the years is that Ford is the best choice for miles per dollar and minimum maintenance cost. That too could be called a personal opinion . I like BMWs. They are good vehicles but I like Fords better since I am more tuned to economics. People on welfare buy the old Cadillac's because they quickly devalue in resale but remain serviceable for many years. The fact that you value education and recognize it's economic and cultural benefit for your children speaks well of your character and intelligence..
Makin bacon wrote:
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TSF, aren't you being just a bit hypocritical? Didn't you say you have a small plane you use and you also own your own company. Judging from the different locations of your post, you must travel a good bit and I'll assume that's for business. You seem to be a hard working person that's keeping their business afloat and you've managed to raise several children and send them all to college. I don't believe you work this hard at the end of the day to figure out you only made 50k a year?!?!?
I don't begrudge wealthy people, nor am I jealous of what kind of car they drive. People on welfare can drive a Cadillac and I've yet to figure that out, so how do you determine when you see someone driving a Mercedes if they're the rich on welfare or the poor on welfare as you often call out both groups?
I drove a BMW for years and it didn't mean I was wealthy or hanging out with the likes of Bill Gates. Come on TSF, you're better than that.
My kid paid to go through medical school and works her butt off, do you not think she should make more than a mechanic? I was going to say plumber but they make darn good money. Do you think she should be ashamed of her earnings? She's married now, lives in an extremely modest home by middle class standards and drives a paid for Toyota. Not everyone that has money throws it around overtly just because they have it. Also, my kid DONATES plenty of time to help others not as fortunate. We'd be lucky to have more people like her in this country.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#44909 Nov 26, 2013
Have you ever taken a Look at Socialized Medicine in NON-Communist Countries around the world?? You will probably be surprised...

Ontario Health Insurance Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Funding[edit]. While Ontario receives transfer payments from the federal government of Canada to partially fund health care, OHIP is ...
Funding - Delisted care - Eligibility - Precursors

Understanding Health Care in Ontario - MOHLTC
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Jun 28, 2012 ... Learn more about coverage in Ontario. 4. What medical care does the Ontario Health Insurance Program (OHIP) cover outside Ontario?
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#44910 Nov 26, 2013
Golly Gee, From $5.00 a month to $75.00 a Month, where can you get health insurance that cheap in America with NO deductibles and NO Co-Pays ??????

Funding[edit]

While Ontario receives transfer payments from the federal government of Canada to partially fund health care, OHIP is also supported by general provincial tax revenues and premiums (taxes) paid by employers and individuals. Employers are charged a payroll health care tax (with an exemption for small businesses) and residents of the province pay a health premium (introduced in 2004) as part of their income taxes.
The Ontario Health Premium (OHP) is a component of Ontario's Personal Income Tax system. The OHP is based on taxable income for a taxation year. As of May 2010, an Ontario resident with taxable income (i.e. income after subtracting allowable deductions) of $21,000 pays $60 per year. With taxable income of $22,000, the premium doubles to $120; with taxable income of $23,000, the premium is $180; with taxable income of $24,000, the premium is $240. The premium increases at a decreasing rate thereafter for taxable incomes up to $200,600, at which point the maximum premium of $900 is reached.[1]

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