Yeats

New York, NY

#1139 Apr 4, 2013
I bet mcKay was very helpful for this investigation. That's why Kelly thinks he's a hero.
Yeats

New York, NY

#1140 Apr 4, 2013
Did Patrick have blue eyes?
Yeats

New York, NY

#1141 Apr 4, 2013
Patric, excuse me.
Historian

Centerville, MA

#1142 Apr 4, 2013
Yeats wrote:
Did Patrick have blue eyes?
How is Lori doing ???
Historian

Centerville, MA

#1143 Apr 5, 2013
FrmLE wrote:
Last month, the Times obtained records of an initial examination of Patric's body done by deputy medical examiner Rosemary Swain. Her report contradicts the autopsy by Andrew.
In her handwritten report, Swain indicates Patric's eyes were open, he had "leaves & dirt in eyes, nose, mouth." She also checked off "petechiae" on her report, an indication of asphyxiation, according to forensic experts. In the autopsy, Andrew wrote that Patric's eyes were closed, and there was no mention of leaves on his face and no petechiae was evident.
Ok, so letís review the differences between Swainís report and Andrews report. Letís review those details that you think make such a huge difference in concluding that Patric was killed.
1) Swain indicates Patric's eyes were open, he had "leaves & dirt in eyes, nose, mouth.Ö
Andrew wrote that Patric's eyes were closed, and there was no mention of leaves on his faceÖ
Ok, so is it possible that the leaves and dirt in Patricís eyes, nose, and mouth were there when Swain conducted her exam, however during the course of that exam those leaves and dirt were removed? And therefore Andrews did not see the leaves and dirt?
If Swain was conducting an exam, she would need to examine Patricís mouth, throat, nose, and eyes? How can she examine his throat without removing the leaves?
Oh wait, was she supposed to put the leaves and dirt back in Patricís mouth? Do you have any idea how little these things affect the overall conclusion?
LE no one is saying put anything back any where. What I and everyone else with one ounce of common sense sees, is that Andrew never saw Patric's body as found. And never reviewed the Photo's until Sept 2004. As for Andrew being a cancer among ME's, every professional that reviewed his case states that he was suffocated. Your opinion on Classified documents signed and withheld for 8 years I won't go into. I will say this, That in 2009, 2010 when all the above that you mention, and their comments as to "No one seeing Patric as Andrew" should tell you that they all the above had that Swain report in their hands. And knew that Andrew never saw Patric as he was found. The Swain exam document never became public until Patric's mother received it in amongst a number of document in 2011? I don't have to surmise anything, we have Assistant Deputy Medical Examiner, NHSP, MCS and District Attorney all present, and not one of them in 8+ years discloses this exam or it's findings. West writes in an e-mail to P.I. Johnson "There was no dirt in Patric's nose" he was at the Exam! You are beyond words.
Historian

Centerville, MA

#1144 Apr 5, 2013
In a May 5, 2009, letter to Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Loucks in Boston, then-New Hampshire Attorney General Kelly Ayotte chastised Laura Kaplan, an assistant U.S. attorney, for her pursuing the case. Specifically, Ayotte criticized Kaplan for contacting Dr. Thomas Andrew, the chief medical examiner in New Hampshire who ruled Patric's death accidental. Kaplan repeatedly questioned the validity of Andrew's medical opinion and pushed him to change Patric's cause of death to homicide.

Ayotte, now a U.S. senator, describes Kaplan as "unprofessional" and "rude."

Kaplan declined a request for an interview, but U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz issued a statement last week defending her.

"How aggressive is too aggressive when you are talking about the death of a 10-year-old boy?" Ortiz said.

Ortiz called Kaplan a respected prosecutor. "We disagree with the attorney general's characterization of AUSA Kaplan's investigatory efforts in the letter," Ortiz said.

Ayotte's letter shows the case may have eroded into a behind-the-scenes tug of war.

The Times first reported there was a difference of opinion between the two agencies in July 2009, and Ayotte's letter, among 1,763 pages released by the AG's office, provides evidence of the rift. New Hampshire does not want anyone talking to Andrew, everyone has to go through the NH AG, that's who talks for Andrew. The "Cancer" has already spread beyond curing. The New Gov. will soon not be immune if she does not step up.
Historian

Centerville, MA

#1145 Apr 5, 2013
Yeats wrote:
It might not surprise some that you are the second mrs. Murray which I have had the unfortunate need to contact.
If you are still seeking an answer, and are not satisfied by the gov't handling of this case, I can tell you what I think happened.
Please link an email so that I may be helpful to you.
FLpita1& aol.com
Historian

Centerville, MA

#1146 Apr 5, 2013
FrmLE wrote:
Yeats is going to yell you that Bruce McKay killed Patric. He is a one trick pony.
He doesn't have any clue who you are or who Patric was. He has no clue what happened at all.
But I guarantee you how will tell you aome crazy atory about how Bruce McKay did it, along with Floyd and maybe Kathy Brunelle.
And you are thanking him? Wondering if he can help your family?
All the while I am the devil, after searching for your son day and night, Literally searching all day.
We searched til it was getting dark then came down to eat MRE's then i lead a team of volunteer cops searching thru the night, in the rain, until aun upfrom within hours of when he went missing to the day he was found?
I am your enemy and this lunatic gets your thanks?
Very telling
Ate MRE's and Lead Cops in the rain. Wed night, Game Warden impersonating as Law Enforcement?
R Frost

New York, NY

#1147 Apr 5, 2013
FrmLE

Vero Beach, FL

#1148 Apr 5, 2013
Game warden? Impersonating LE? What does that mean?

Seriously, why can't you write in complete, understandable sentences?

How can I reply when I can't even understand what you are trying to say?

Oh, where were you when we were searching the woods? Don't think I saw you there.
Historian

Centerville, MA

#1149 Apr 6, 2013
FrmLE wrote:
Game warden? Impersonating LE? What does that mean?
Seriously, why can't you write in complete, understandable sentences?
How can I reply when I can't even understand what you are trying to say?
Oh, where were you when we were searching the woods? Don't think I saw you there.
Means just what it implies, you are a Game Warden, that was assigned to take "cops" into the woods. Where I was doesn't matter. What matters is your lack of knowledge as to Patric's death. As for your comments pertaining to ADME's report, when ever she commented as to finding nothing she always indicated it by writhing a "0" with a line through it. I won't discuss her report with you any further.
Historian

Centerville, MA

#1150 Apr 6, 2013
One more thing LE, explain to me why F&G, NHSP, FBI continually stated that Patric was 2.5 miles from (PLS) when in fact he was 1.5 miles from (PLS) that would be the Water Tank area.(PLS) to Water Tank is about 1 hour 30 min hike. That is fact. In fact the official F&G report signed by Bogardus,(that would be your Boss) states that Patric was found 2.5 miles from Rt.112.
FrmLE

Vero Beach, FL

#1151 Apr 6, 2013
Historian wrote:
Means just what it implies, you are a Game Warden, that was assigned to take "cops" into the woods
I do not take being called a game warden as an insult at all, if that is what you are implying. They go to the same Police Academy as I went to and I have worked with them many time, they are great people.

I was not however, a NH Fish and Game Officer. You see, what happened was after the first day when word got out that Patric was missing hundreds of people started showing up to volunteer to search for him. Managing the volunteers became a task in of itself, so many people throughout New Hampshire and New England dropped what they were doing and drove to Lincoln to try to help.

In addition many Police Departments throughout NH also started sending as many cops as they could spare to Lincoln to help the search. Many cops also volunteered on their own and just drove themselves to Lincoln and showed up at the command center or across the street at the Loon lodge.

There were so many civilian volunteers that what we came up with was the civilian volunteers went out during the day and the police officers went out at night, the rationale being that we had better communication, land navigation skills and were better able to deal with the risk of searching those conditions at night than the civilians who were not trained.

Police also searched the condos extensively, very extensively in fact. I was involved in the search of the woods and condos during the day, and at night we had several SWAT Teams from Manchester, Nashua, and elsewhere that drove up to help. As I was familiar with the area, and have some fair training in Land Navigation from my time in the Military, I was tasked with leading a SWAT Team on the night time searches for Patric.

I did that from the first night into I think the third night. AT that point the search shifted focus and I started working in another area.

I am not sure how that makes you think I am a game warden, but hey whatever you think that helps you sleep at night.
Historian wrote:
Where I was doesn't matter.
I know it doesnít matter, but if you were there you perhaps would have seen the outpouring of compassion and help from everyone everywhere.

Volunteer civilians, cops, firemen, hikers, mothers, fathers, old people, friggin EVERYBODY who could pass a water bottle to a searcher showed up to help.

Now I know to you that doesnít mean shit, you have made up your mind despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, however IF YOU WERE THERE you would have seen what I saw, and felt what I felt when all those people started showing up from NH, Vermont, Maine, Mass, Canada, everywhere.

Thatís what you would have seen.
FrmLE

Vero Beach, FL

#1152 Apr 6, 2013
Historian wrote:
. As for your comments pertaining to ADME's report, when ever she commented as to finding nothing she always indicated it by writhing a "0" with a line through it. I won't discuss her report with you any further.
Look, believe what you want to believe. You and your family have found whatever way to deal with the tragedy in the manner you want to, regardless of the truth. I know you will go to your grave thinking this way and nothing I or anyone else can say will change your mind.

If ten more Medical Examiners tell you exactly what Dr. Burnell said, you will find some way to dispute it, they went to the same school, they were at the same conference back in 1980, they all have gray hair, whatever. You will do whatever it takes to believe what you want to believe.

The FBI, the NHSP, NHAG, US Attorney for NH and Mass, POMC, etc etc etc. They all say the same thing, the all tell you the truth that you do not want to believe. I know the reason why, believe me this was not my first ride on this merry go round. I have seen it many times with families.

I will not argue this with you anymore, believe whatever nonsense you want to believe. Everyone is in on the conspiracy, itís you against the world. Just the way you want it to be. I really hope that this anger you and your family carry like a cross is better than dealing with the grief that you substitute it for.

Good luck
FrmLE

Vero Beach, FL

#1153 Apr 6, 2013
Historian wrote:
As for your comments pertaining to ADME's report, when ever she commented as to finding nothing she always indicated it by writhing a "0" with a line through it. I won't discuss her report with you any further.
REALLY? Hmm, perhaps you should re-read that page of her report.

Tache Noire? check mark. Where do you see a 0 with a line through it?

Has anyone (O'Connell) asked Rosie what she meant? Did he ask her if she found Petechiae in Patric? What has he done for the last 9 years? I mean, I have seen Rosie recently, she is not hiding.

Or, are you basing your accusations solely on YOUR UNEDUCATE INTERPRETATION of a hand written preliminary report and a few checks and circles? That is your position? And you wonder why no one not paid to believe you, believes you?

For christs sake, don't you think she has been asked if she observed Petechiae? This isn't some ancient scroll from a thousand years ago, passed down through the generations!

Oh, by the way.

WHO KILLED PATRIC? WHY?

HOW WAS HE KILLED?

WHO CARRIED HIS BODY 2.5 MILES UP THE MOUNTAIN?

No wonder you focus on check marks and little circles instead of focusing on what matters. That's all you have, check marks and little swirls on a piece of paper. Leaves and dirt, pants up or pants down, toes pointed or toes bent.

Ridiculous. By the way, who are you? I know who Deanne is, who are you?
The wind

New York, NY

#1154 Apr 6, 2013
deanne murray

Wareham, MA

#1155 Apr 6, 2013
The wind wrote:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N G8mvqtWEAw
---Stop posting BS videos on my sons forum please.
deanne murray

Wareham, MA

#1156 Apr 6, 2013
Where did u search first ??? Where did the focus change and why ???? Really, The condos were checked thoroughly ??? Yeah not until my Father pushed them to do so-- LE where was patric last seen ????--
FrmLE

Vero Beach, FL

#1157 Apr 6, 2013
deanne murray wrote:
<quoted text>---Stop posting BS videos on my sons forum please.
I thought that yeats/tomerack/wind was going to find the answers for you? He was the one who got your thanks remember?
.
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deanne murray wrote:
Very troubling Yeats----- Can you help me and my family ????
Was he there helping search?
Empathetic

New York, NY

#1158 Apr 6, 2013
I understand the stress. I will stop. I emailed your website. Please call me to discuss what is extremely important.

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