Airlines begin transition - Hawaii Bu...

Airlines begin transition - Hawaii Business

There are 12 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Oct 15, 2009, titled Airlines begin transition - Hawaii Business. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

The ever-changing airline landscape in Hawaii began taking on a new look yesterday as Mesa Air Group began the process of adding up to 10 flights a day in the wake of the joint venture between its interisland carrier go! and rival Mokulele Airlines.

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Plymouth, MI

#1 Oct 15, 2009
"Ornstein said the joint venture should help go! achieve profitability because of the seating capacity coming out of the market."

Or it will all go over to Hawaiian and Island Air.

With 11 seat Caravans left from
Mokulele I don't see much opportunity left. Now had Republic left their 170's maybe....

What a putz, still very much clueless of how to run an airline inHawaii.

Honolulu, HI

#2 Oct 15, 2009
Well it sure didn't take long for old JO to get rid of the last vestiges of ALOHA AIRLINES!!!. He is still sore from the pasting he took from the former Aloha employees. The real truth is the former Aloha employees have already received their notices of termination. I hope all of Hawaii Nei seeks what has happened.

United States

#4 Oct 15, 2009
Well it sure didn't take long for old JO to get rid of the last vestiges of ALOHA AIRLINES!!!. He is still sore from the pasting he took from the former Aloha employees. The real truth is the former Aloha employees have already received their notices of termination. I hope all of Hawaii Nei seeks what has happened.
Mokulele You are a idiot and have no clue of what really happened .First of all Go had nothing to do with Aloha's failure,Remember Aloha's management team or I should say INCOMPETENT TEAM failure to forsee the future by keeping those 737-200 GAS GUZZLERS which should hane been retired at least a decade before they tanked.Ex Aloha employees should wake up and face reality of what really happened,I feel badly for these people and myself included have been down this devastating path,I remember working for a company called MID PACIFIC AIR back in the early 80's when Aloha and Hawaiian did the same Terrible thing to Mid Pacific so stop blaming someone else and look at the whole picture!!!!!!!!!
Numbers Guy

Honolulu, HI

#5 Oct 15, 2009
Bob, the break-even numbers during the conflict were $50 a seat for Aloha,$55 a seat for Hawaiian, and $67 a seat for go!(assuming 62% of seats filled, which was pretty close to what we saw). In other words, nobody (and especially go!) could make money when tickets sold for less than $50 a seat, and go! insisted on selling tickets from $39 to $19 and even for $1. Go! never charged a reasonable rate because they couldn't beat Aloha at a reasonable rate. The only way go! could win was by charging significantly less than Aloha's break-even number of $50 a seat. That's exactly what they did.
Also, there was one inter-island company whose planes were actually worse gas-guzzlers than Aloha's planes, and that was go!. The poor fuel efficiency of 50-seat RJs is why so many of them are parked in the desert right now.
If the murder of an airline were a crime, there's enough evidence out there to throw go!'s parent company in the slammer for the next hundred years.

Waipahu, HI

#6 Oct 15, 2009
I agree with Bob, Hawaiian and Aloha made a few small airlines go under (Mid Pacific/Discovery), hurting the people of hawaii with good prices. So what Go's around comes around, Aloha! The management for Aloha did not plan correctly and the employees paid for it. Overall unions hurt everyone!

Waipahu, HI

#7 Oct 15, 2009
BOB - If "Go had nothing to do with Aloha's failure" as you claim, why did Aloha prevail in its lawsuit against go!'s parent, Mesa? go! attempted to acquire the Aloha name and trademarks, but the judge handling the Aloha bankruptcy would not permit that because the illegal actions of Mesa and go! were deemed to be a substantial cause of Aloha's failure.

Are you deliberately lying, Bob, or just clueless?

Boycott go!
Numbers Guy

Honolulu, HI

#8 Oct 15, 2009
Hawaiian, Hawaii's two legacy carriers let Mid Pacific get by with a $5 a ticket pricing advantage long enough for them to realize it was a huge mistake. After that, Hawaiian starting matching Mid Pacific ticket prices with their Dash-7 aircraft and Aloha started matching Mid Pacific prices with a select number of seats on each plane. Is matching a competitor's prices the same thing as putting them out of business? I think not. Also, Mid Pac made some big mistakes by buying too many YS-11 turboprops and thinking that their techniques could work just as well on the U.S. mainland. They didn't.
ex discovery


#10 Oct 15, 2009
I worked in the accounting department at Discovery in 89/90 and I am well conversant to what Hawaiian and Aloha did to Discovery back then

At that time the inter island air service was in the hands of a duopoly, Hawaiian Air and Aloha Air. Fares were high and service limited. Mr. Mancassola spotted the opportunity and proposed this venture to Nansay. Their gain was a sufficient air service between the islands to guarantee access to their hotels and golf courses.

However, Hawaiian and Aloha filed several objections with the US DOT, citing that British Aerospace (a UK corporation and Nansay, a Japanese corporation) by providing financial support (although in the form of debt) were exercising control over the airline, in violation of US law that limited the foreign ownership and control in US airlines, to a maximum of 25%.

The argument was flawed because debt does not constitute control. The DOT saw no foundations to Aloha and Hawaiian accusations and granted Discovery a provisional 401 license to operate. Discovery began operation on March 1st 1990.

Aloha and Hawaiian continued to object and in July 1990 obtained a recommendation from a Federal Judge for the DOT to withdraw the 401 certificate pending the results of an investigation as it was accused to be “foreign”. The grounded Discovery would have been then deprived of the working capital. This was really the political objective of both Aloha and Hawaiian Air.

Subsequently the investigation was dropped because there were no evidences of any wrongdoing on the part of Discovery and /or its management.

Ironically, I was hired by Aloha.

Ewa Beach, HI

#11 Oct 15, 2009
Bring back the interisland ferry and let the public decide -air or sea.
business traveller

Kihei, HI

#12 Oct 15, 2009
I travel frequently between the islands for my business and I have friends at both Hawaiian and Mokulele. I have yet to try go! Sadly, I ran into a former Aloha, now former Mokulele worker this morning and it seems go! management has given out pink slips to most of the Mokulele employees, almost 40% which were formerly with Aloha. Bad break and I feel sorry for them and everyone else who may not be able to keep a job in this poor economy.
Dont Believe

Ewa Beach, HI

#13 Oct 15, 2009
I have no idea how the heck Go will handle Mokulele's passengers. Go is always delayed....How are they going to handle the employee's pay? The CSA's and ground crew is not Go employee's but Swiss Port. If they move the lucky Mokulele's employee over, how is that going to pan out regarding pay....Will they have to reapply with Swiss Port to keep their jobs? I know Swiss Port does not pay well, and treat all their employee's like s++t. And the employee's have the worst customer service there is....Dah!

Hilo, HI

#14 Oct 15, 2009
Getting screwed again by go !
Where's that investigation from the justus dep.? Dan? Neil? Anybody ?

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