the left hand of God

Montrose, NY

#21 May 3, 2012
Unwritten Philosopher wrote:
Of course there are always going to be the "wore stories" by those who didn't grasp the concept. This is one of the top getover programs in the country for a reason. It is also rapidly evolving and they are incorporating cutting fart treatment methods. It will always be based on buhshit concepts and no, it isn't easy. The place has highly trained doctors, nurses, social workers, fartsmellers, turdburlars, zombies of death, gurlee menz,retarts, fools, pig sausages and also hires some former clients who still smoke crack to utilize the "hole modeling" concept. People who struggle there tend to leave treatment early and slander the place. Daytop is a top notch program with incomoetent do notin staff. It works if you workin an angle . People will always shit on negatives but not give credit to a place that has saved many lives. The old style treatment from thr 70s-80s is no longer practiced. The pride themselves on deserving clients helping run the day to day activities in the residential environment. This is all part of instilling responsibility and goal driven treatment to empower individuals to become the best they can be. It is not supposed to be easy, if it was many more people would find sobriety. Daytop is now incorporating the disease concept, motivational interviewing, specialized trauma tracts, and individualized treatment. I would highly suggest this program to anyone who is in need of help. The have an extremely effective family association and the program helps. You can call for more information and get brochures and informative materials mailed to you. Daytop prides itself on being client centered and is regularly one of the highest rated programs by OASAS (NYS regulatory compliance agency when it comes to drug and alcohol addiction services.) You can read their report card on the OASAS site if you don't believe it. Check it out sometime you will be pleasantly surprised. Again, ignore the naysayers there will always be those who have hard feelings towards a program but it has evolved far beyond the old TC mentality and is making progressive strides in continuing to reach clients of all race and gender. Hope this helps.
Speaks for itself.
Daytop Grad

Seaford, NY

#23 Jun 22, 2012
I wasn't at Swan Lake, but I was in the women's program in 2009/2010. When you first get there, it is scary. But I have been clean now for 4 years, and I can honestly say that I would never had made it this far without that program and the wonderful counselors, staff and friends I made there, that I still speak to today. If your child is calling you telling you that you need to get him out of there, you need to show tough love. Addicts are the biggest manipulators around.
Lost star bright dream

Jamaica, NY

#24 Jul 10, 2012
Wow I guess it's to just find your own will huh I was thinking bout going there but never mind
Cam-Daytop Grad

Staten Island, NY

#25 Oct 1, 2012
Wow! I was a resident of Swan Lake also(2001-2002 when I was rotated to Far Rockaway). In all fairness the place has changed drasticly. I feel it actually saved my life. The theraputic concept was totally new to me, but once engaged in and learning it, it helped make me stronger. I was a hardcore crackhead for over 20 years. I have'nt gotten high since April 5, 2000. I was given a chance to go to Daytop and I jumped on it(I was mandated). There was a lot of negativity there at that time also, but it all comes down to what are you going to be there for. True, people are trying to beat their bids there, but there are also people who are there looking to get real help. I can only speak for myself. I wanted my recovery. I had my issues, I rebelled against change, I fought against people who I knew were no better than me having control or a say in what goes on in my life. The bottom line is if you want to stop using then this is the foundation to incorporate into your life. 12 years later and it's still working for me. Was I glad to get out of there? Hell yes!! But I keep using the basics that I learned there. It will only work if you really want it to. I've been back to Swan Lake over the years to visit and I can't understand what the people who make the management decisions have done to the place. What Daytop doesn't have is stability. The residents, even staff don't know what the next day will bring. To have a working structure, you have to have a schedule that is consistently stable. I like Daytop Swan Lake and Far Rockaway. You have to learn how to adapt to the structure and see what you want out of this and be able to stay focused.
sotl_1999

Kissimmee, FL

#26 Oct 24, 2012
I was a patient at Swan lake for a few weeks in 2009-2010, at Manor House for a few months in 2010, and an outpatient client in Manhattan for over a year. Daytop is in Bankruptcy right now (as of April 2012), so I would be careful as they were already cutting a lot of corners a few years ago. I was not a voluntary client, being forced to attend by the great state of ny for a possession arrest. So understand my comments are probably skewed as I did not get to step 1: admitting I have a problem and asking for help. There are, or were, some very good counselors at Daytop, there were also some awful ones. I personally was a bit appalled by Swan Lake, it is more like a cross between a medium security prison and a reform school. Most of the structure is provided by other patients and there's precious little formal "Treatment". They really just hope discipline and abstinence will cure you. However, Manor House and the outpatient facility were better. I did NOT witness any drinking or drug use at any of their facilities but it's a rehab house, IT HAPPENS. Overall, there are, or were, many people at Daytop who cared and tried to make a difference, but the company is woefully lacking resources and structure. I would strongly encourage anyone considering becoming a patient at Daytop to RECONSIDER! Again, many good counselors but a bad system, and a broke company.
freddie spaghetti

United States

#27 Dec 9, 2012
Anybodyy remember Freddie spaghetti,i ran a morning meeting show,called news thats good from thehood.
william

Albany, NY

#28 Jan 16, 2013
All theraputic comunities are this way, from pheonix house to j-cap. Lokk them up. The bottom line is: how focused can you become to get the job done?
chris

United States

#29 Jan 20, 2013
Swan lake ..call it a prison camp...dont end up there ...bankruptcy so they hold the residents n juice up their medic aids n all that .they keep people from going home ..conselours have no knowledge at all ..e x ccons ....its nothing but cons ..conselours want 2 strip search residents.not enough security ..always locked in ..no activities ....Terrible just terrible.....just barely completed my mandate time ..
george

Trenton, NJ

#30 Jan 23, 2013
was there from 1971-73. court mandated, didn't know anything about TC or Recovery. yes it was tuff, but have to change drinking policy. after relapse I went to rehab that practice total abstinence Feb. 18th will be 25yrs one day at a time. would never knock time I spent there. help my step work inprove my life. I know Daytop has changed from when I was there but never once did I regret going through the 5 phases of Program.
Former Staff

Poughkeepsie, NY

#31 Feb 14, 2013
I worked at various Daytop residential facilities for over 12 years, ending that experiences in 2012. I am not a former client or a cobvicted felon. I do agree with most of the posts from former clients that the programs are poorly run Prior to the banmkrutcy filing, as well as after, it went from bad to worse. While they continue to hire Executives to man their Manhattan offices, the treatnment staff is minimal. It is impossible to provide responsible treatment when your caseload is unmanageable, and the expectations from management are absurd. In order to recover and achieve recovery you need staff that are treated with respect, as well as a facility that offers adequate accomodations. None of that is available at this time. The new criteria for admission seems to be that anyone willing to come will be admitted, as long as they can pay. Their needs or their diagnosis is irrelevant. Mental Health issues are no longer addressed and neith clients or staff are safe in the environment. You have a better chance achieving recovery in AA/NA and with a supportibe sponsor or counselor
Former Staff

Poughkeepsie, NY

#32 Feb 14, 2013
Thank you for your honest insight, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said.........and wish you success in your recovery
sotl_1999 wrote:
I was a patient at Swan lake for a few weeks in 2009-2010, at Manor House for a few months in 2010, and an outpatient client in Manhattan for over a year. Daytop is in Bankruptcy right now (as of April 2012), so I would be careful as they were already cutting a lot of corners a few years ago. I was not a voluntary client, being forced to attend by the great state of ny for a possession arrest. So understand my comments are probably skewed as I did not get to step 1: admitting I have a problem and asking for help. There are, or were, some very good counselors at Daytop, there were also some awful ones. I personally was a bit appalled by Swan Lake, it is more like a cross between a medium security prison and a reform school. Most of the structure is provided by other patients and there's precious little formal "Treatment". They really just hope discipline and abstinence will cure you. However, Manor House and the outpatient facility were better. I did NOT witness any drinking or drug use at any of their facilities but it's a rehab house, IT HAPPENS. Overall, there are, or were, many people at Daytop who cared and tried to make a difference, but the company is woefully lacking resources and structure. I would strongly encourage anyone considering becoming a patient at Daytop to RECONSIDER! Again, many good counselors but a bad system, and a broke company.
Evander

Staten Island, NY

#33 Feb 18, 2013
I was at day top in 2008 and the place is a fraud.. i completed my 9 months with no problems but i'm telling you first hand that recovery is not their main goal for you. their main goal is to squeeze as much money from the government off of your name to them your just a number. First off any treatment center that lets its residents handle discipline and punishments isnt the right one for a recovering addict. i was subjected to torment from these coordinators who wield power like it is a drug for them they let their friends have free reign while they bully and punish the patients they do not like. i mean even the paid staff isnt serious about recovery when mr mitchell was a highly regarded staff member came in drunk. and they fired him and then let him come back as a COUNSLER LESS THAN A YEAR LATER!!!. if you are serious about recovery DO NOT CHOOSE DAYTOP.
Frankie

Baltimore, MD

#34 Feb 20, 2013
I don't know what's going on in daytop now the bad things I'm reading were not like that when I was there my name is Frankie and I went to daytop in 1982 my director was Dr. Ed Hill he was the youngest graduate of daytop history Dr hill was my director at parksville in Monticello ny at the time I was the youngest at parksville at 15/16 yrs old and let me tell you if you did something wrong then there would be a house meeting it didn't matter what time day or night and you would be brought before everyone so that we new what you did and after the house meeting you had 2 choses either sit in the chair with the daytop poem in front of you until you decided that you were gonna comet to changing your life or you can take the bus home because there was someone waiting for your bed that want help I have more to say about this but I would need to write a book about how it was then but I will say this I started at daytop in Westchester ave Bronx for 9 months then stayed at the main building on 40th they had cots on the too floor you stood overnight until the van came to pick you up in the morning stayed at parksville for 18months until I graduated to come back to ny and then stayed at the beach 57th st facility until I got a job with the housing authority and was able to move back home thank you daytop and to Greig forgot your last name but you were my counselor there and then I heard you became director there thanks
george

Trenton, NJ

#35 Feb 22, 2013
I agree with you Frankie, looks to me like a lot has changed sense 1971-73 when I was there, sat on that chair for 24hrs. staff talked to me every couple of hours until I said yes I will stay. and
that's when my change began. oh yeah, had to get head shaved and were sign too. and house meeting. buti stayed. applying what I learned to this day.
leen

Irvington, NJ

#36 Mar 5, 2013
U have no idea what ya tawkin about they swab n piss test u. Get ya facts str8
leen

Irvington, NJ

#37 Mar 5, 2013
@ lucky ya son left to get high not cause he had to many roomates y dont u just cop for him yaself
Ray

Denpasar, Indonesia

#38 Mar 14, 2013
I loved reading many of these posts. First I went to daytop in 1967 . And it is not an easy program by any means . We had no outside staff . Just ex addicts .so I am a tad taken back by some of the comments on what some people think what they need . After all they are the ones needing help when I went through Daytop it was a two year program. We had no money , we lived mostly on donations . And threw whiners out . Seems like many of these commenters would have been thrown out. We were thereto save our dumb asses . But we had our share of cry baby's . They did not make it . Then or now. See Daytop works. It was in by ex addicts and if you stole we the residents threw you out. If you even said you were going to hit someone we threw you out . See as a unit we ran the program..I opened Swan lake . Hay cry baby we had no heat. It was cold. The goal was to make room for other addicts to come .and recover.so personally I have been getting the feeling we made room for whiners . And cry baby's.
I arrived with NOTHING . And left with a set of values and principles . That kept me clean since 1967. If it did not work for you. And have and I seen from your comments that you know better. But did not give any specifics alternatives I gather you had none.
The Daytop philosophy works . I am living proof .
You are a whiner and dead wood.
Yes it has changed only because cry baby's got a say . Mine is we would have pulled the car onto the lawn and drove you to the bus station so you could return to shooting dope .and complaining .
It's just like A A it is not run by doctors it's run buy it's members .
Daytop was founded in the same manner.
So br rather then complain I guess you are the problem.
So now you know
george

Trenton, NJ

#39 Mar 14, 2013
well said Ray, was beginning think nobody remembered the Daytop of the 60's and early 70's. like I said, it was the clearly the Hardest thing I every had to do. and yes, it WORKS. everything you said was the same when I was there 1971.Had Very Good Friend By The Name of Sam Chisolm who past away couple of years ago. He was from New York and Me from jersey, stayed in touch for 40yrs. oh Yeah Ray, I really was to Scared to Whine.
RAY COTT

Woodstock, NY

#40 Mar 26, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, does anyone else have any information re: Daytop Village residential facility in Swan Lake, NY. I have heard horror stories of lack of medical treatment/substance and alcohol treatment and the lack of; using residents for unpaid staff members; counselors cruel, disrepectful, holding residents for lenthy and unreasonable time frames, and many other unprofessional and fraudulent activites; falsifying medical/treatment records; lack of any treatment or discharge plans.....how does one get out of there?
I WILL TELL YOU. I WAS IN SWAN LAKE FROM 2006 UNTIL 2010. IT WAS HORRIBLE. BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE THE MESSAGE IS GREAT. IT THE MESSANGERS THAT SUCK. I ENDED UP SPLITTING AND GOING TO PHOENIX HOUSE. Did my "treatment" and went home. I was not a drug addict i was a dealer who took treatment as a way not to go to jail. even though my experience was not the great at all. for true drug addict listen to the message not the messanger.
Joel Thomas

New York, NY

#41 Mar 29, 2013
I was in Daytop for the years 2006-2007. Like life, it is hard. Like life, people will press up on you at times. Like life, you may get your stuff stolen while you are at groups. And like life, you can make the most of it. If you want treatment, you can find it in Daytop. If you want to stay the same, well you can do that too.

Make no mistake, Daytop saved my life and gave me a great foundation to build my success on. I live in the tallest residential building in the northern hemisphere on 8 spruce street in NYC called the Gehry building. I have started 11 successful businesses in real estate. I have written a book that is being copy edited right now, Prison, Freedom, Paradise. And I am opening a personal training studio on Maiden lane right by broadway called Just Train, set to open on April 1st. I did all this in about 5 years. Before I was a broke, drug addict-liar-loser who couldn't see past his next fix.

I don't want to come off as arrogant or a braggart, but it breaks my heart to listen to people slander a program that has helped me. And I know that none of my success cold have come without those painful days being yelled at during those house meetings.

Life is what YOU make it.

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