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Peace

Elizabethtown, KY

#1 Aug 25, 2018
Well, that is interesting. The entire discussion labeled Let's Try Something New has gone missing.
Which gives us a chance to have a fresh start. If you would like to discuss something in Scripture or in life, and are willing to stick with the issues themselves, welcome aboard.
Here is a question: how do you go about studying Scripture? In other words, is it something you spend an hour or more each day, with concordances and even the original languages? Or not so much? Do you study with others, or only on your own? What have you found to be most helpful in understanding the Word so you can be shaped by it and live into it?
Lostandfound

United States

#2 Aug 25, 2018
Stay away from religions and let God be and do what He says He is and He can do. Religionists want your money and keep you yoked up in bondage to them. God only wants your Love and knowledge of Him.
Peace

Elizabethtown, KY

#3 Aug 25, 2018
Lost, I have to give credit where credit is due. You certainly are focused. But are you willing to share your methods of study? You might help someone else who is trying to gain that knowledge of God you speak of.
Lostandfound

United States

#4 Aug 25, 2018
Peace wrote:
Lost, I have to give credit where credit is due. You certainly are focused. But are you willing to share your methods of study? You might help someone else who is trying to gain that knowledge of God you speak of.
Very simple, read the book and stay away from religious fanatics who think they are special.
Truth

United States

#5 Aug 25, 2018
I have been looking into the Catholic Church alot lately. Anyone knowledgeable on the traditions and doctrine of the Catholic Church on here? I would love to talk to someone who knows. Have attended mass the past few weekends. Wanting to learn. I was raised presbytarian/protestant.
Peace

Elizabethtown, KY

#6 Aug 26, 2018
Truth wrote:
I have been looking into the Catholic Church alot lately. Anyone knowledgeable on the traditions and doctrine of the Catholic Church on here? I would love to talk to someone who knows. Have attended mass the past few weekends. Wanting to learn. I was raised presbytarian/protestant.
Truth, several of the people who post on here are convinced that Satan has deceived and taken over pretty much all organized churches and denominations, so their responses will reflect that conviction.
I am not Roman Catholic, so I won't try to speak for them. But I am curious. What is it about the Roman Catholic Church that appeals to you?
Lostandfound

United States

#7 Aug 26, 2018
Since peace has decided to try and be a dictator of this post and manipulate what others experience has been, I doubt they will permit honesty. If peace doesn't agree then it can't be true.....what a joke!...but I'll try...I was baptist and married a catholic and we attended both denominations. It's hard to say which taught the most false doctrine because both are guilty. Today, I only trust God and what His Word says, original KJV standard bible. The easy read bibles like nkjv, and niv are fake bibles for those who enjoy being deceived by false teaching. If you want to stay confused, play church with any denomination and receive churchianity. Read God's Word and Trust in Him you may receive the promise of the Holy Spirit IF you receive Christ and become Christian. But I will warn you, it's not for the part timer. But IF you are Truly seeking God with All your heart, mind, and Spirit, you will find Him....
Peace, you forgot to flatter yourself by claiming to be a preacher...don't forget your ego...
Truth

United States

#8 Aug 26, 2018
I appreciate those who responded. I come from a very old Catholic Irish family. 1,000 years at least by church records. But, my grandparents converted and being how I was raised, that is all I know. I'm curious as to the traditions carried on by my ancestors for all that time. Not saying my plan is to convert to being Catholic but feel I should at least know it and see that side before I make a decision for myself and family. KJV Bible is all I have ever been raised to read and any other is false teacuings. Therein for me lies a problem. The Apocrypha that was originally included in King James 1611 translation but later left out. I have read and heard alot of reasons why, printing cost for Bible's being printed for America being the top reason I have found. I am waiting on a 1611 version of the KJV Bible. But, I also know the Bible was written in Greek and Hebrew and later translated to Latin. Greek translates to Latin almost word for word. Latin nor Greek however translate nowhere near word for word. For me there lies another problem. Can anyone explain these two issues? Again, genuine question as I am starting to ask many questions with my personal faith and find what I feel is right. Any answers appreciated
Truth

United States

#9 Aug 26, 2018
Truth wrote:
I appreciate those who responded. I come from a very old Catholic Irish family. 1,000 years at least by church records. But, my grandparents converted and being how I was raised, that is all I know. I'm curious as to the traditions carried on by my ancestors for all that time. Not saying my plan is to convert to being Catholic but feel I should at least know it and see that side before I make a decision for myself and family. KJV Bible is all I have ever been raised to read and any other is false teacuings. Therein for me lies a problem. The Apocrypha that was originally included in King James 1611 translation but later left out. I have read and heard alot of reasons why, printing cost for Bible's being printed for America being the top reason I have found. I am waiting on a 1611 version of the KJV Bible. But, I also know the Bible was written in Greek and Hebrew and later translated to Latin. Greek translates to Latin almost word for word. Latin nor Greek however translate nowhere near word for word. For me there lies another problem. Can anyone explain these two issues? Again, genuine question as I am starting to ask many questions with my personal faith and find what I feel is right. Any answers appreciated
Greek nor Hebrew nor Latin translates into English nowhere near word for word I meant.
Lostandfound

United States

#10 Aug 26, 2018
Saint Jerome did the translating and if you read Jerome s biography, you'll find he was appointed by a Roman emperor, enjoyed a homosexual lifestyle, and wasn't Christian when he interpreted the latin vulgate that many religions use today. God chose the Hebrew language because it never changes, nor does He. Happy studying friend, enjoy the journey.
Peace

Elizabethtown, KY

#11 Aug 26, 2018
Truth, how cool to see you taking your faith so seriously. I pray God's blessing and guidance as you seek the ways God wants you to relate to him and his people.
I agree with Lostandfound that the best Bible translations are those that started with the original languages, with as close as we have to the original manuscripts. As you have said, translation is always a difficult task; it is almost impossible to do a word-for-word translation from one language to another that is at all readable. That is one of the reasons I find value in using more than one English translation of Scripture. Seeing how different translators deal with a word or phrase can help the reader get closer to what the author intended.
I also agree with Lost that only with the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit will the Word ever be more than words on paper. The inspiration of Scripture did not end when the last words were written; it continues in the life of every believer as God brings those words alive in the believer's heart. May you experience the word becoming the living Word in you.
Peace

Elizabethtown, KY

#12 Aug 26, 2018
Lostandfound wrote:
Since peace has decided to try and be a dictator of this post and manipulate what others experience has been, I doubt they will permit honesty. If peace doesn't agree then it can't be true.....what a joke!...but I'll try...I was baptist and married a catholic and we attended both denominations. It's hard to say which taught the most false doctrine because both are guilty. Today, I only trust God and what His Word says, original KJV standard bible. The easy read bibles like nkjv, and niv are fake bibles for those who enjoy being deceived by false teaching. If you want to stay confused, play church with any denomination and receive churchianity. Read God's Word and Trust in Him you may receive the promise of the Holy Spirit IF you receive Christ and become Christian. But I will warn you, it's not for the part timer. But IF you are Truly seeking God with All your heart, mind, and Spirit, you will find Him....
Peace, you forgot to flatter yourself by claiming to be a preacher...don't forget your ego...
Lost, it seems obvious you completely misunderstand the purpose of this forum, since you so routinely ignore it. I am simply trying to see if we can have discussions about questions and issues without resorting to personal attacks and insults. Quoting Paul's letter to the churches in Ephesus: Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Eph. 4:29 KJV.
As a self-proclaimed follower of Christ, it seems like you would want to follow that. If you choose to post in a forum, it is assumed you agree to the terms of that forum. As moderator of this particular forum, I will continue to remove any posts that violate those terms.
Honesty is greatly appreciated. Paul also admonished us to speak the truth in love to one another. Just try to keep the love part intact.
Truth

United States

#13 Aug 26, 2018
Lostandfound wrote:
Saint Jerome did the translating and if you read Jerome s biography, you'll find he was appointed by a Roman emperor, enjoyed a homosexual lifestyle, and wasn't Christian when he interpreted the latin vulgate that many religions use today. God chose the Hebrew language because it never changes, nor does He. Happy studying friend, enjoy the journey.
Appreciate your comment and knowledge on the subject. I love history and love religion and theology. Guess in a sense I am on a journey. Correct on "Saint" Jerome. King James who had the Biblia Sacra Vulgata translated into English, King James was a bloody and brutal king with alot of theories as to why he seperated from the Catholic Church. Martin Luther supposedly never wanted to create a new church he simply wanted the Catholic Church pretty much reorganized. The church I was raised in read strictly from the Bible and any other church or denomination was wrong. With age I'm finding my spirutual side but want to see what else is out there. See it for myself. I staryed with Catholic out of respect for my Irish ancestors who were Catholic at least 1,000 years in Ireland. Not saying I fully agree with the Catholics, but that said, I want to educate myself as to what it is. Then do the same for Baptist, Methodist, Orthodox and so on.
Truth

United States

#14 Aug 26, 2018
For all on this thread. Any local churches you suggest to point me in the right direction? I am open to most all churches and sitting in on mass/sermon? Times and days would be appreciated. Thank you.
Peace

Elizabethtown, KY

#15 Aug 26, 2018
Truth wrote:
For all on this thread. Any local churches you suggest to point me in the right direction? I am open to most all churches and sitting in on mass/sermon? Times and days would be appreciated. Thank you.
Most denominations and individual churches have websites. Often they have some kind of page telling what they believe, and perhaps some history. This might be helpful. But at the end of the day, only by spending time with the people in a congregation are you going to see whether they are serious about living out what they say they believe.
If you are in Casey County, I am familiar with the people at Liberty United Methodist Church, and know many of them are truly seeking to grow into the image of Christ. Pretty sure their worship begins at 11:00 on Sunday mornings. It has been a while, so I am not sure about study and service opportunities.
Truth

United States

#16 Aug 28, 2018
Peace wrote:
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Most denominations and individual churches have websites. Often they have some kind of page telling what they believe, and perhaps some history. This might be helpful. But at the end of the day, only by spending time with the people in a congregation are you going to see whether they are serious about living out what they say they believe.
If you are in Casey County, I am familiar with the people at Liberty United Methodist Church, and know many of them are truly seeking to grow into the image of Christ. Pretty sure their worship begins at 11:00 on Sunday mornings. It has been a while, so I am not sure about study and service opportunities.
Thank you very much sir/ma'am your help and information is much appreciated. Keep this thread alive. Has helped me and enjoyed reading the debates. Thanks again.
Truth

United States

#17 Aug 28, 2018
Another question. Across Christianity the essence of the trinity. Thoughts and opinions? 1-2-3 entities? Major debate across history and one of the reasons of the Great Schism. I myself am somewhat confused on the matter.
Truth

United States

#18 Aug 28, 2018
Across Orthodoxy. Catholocism. Prostestant (and all denominations entailed).
Peace

Orlando, FL

#19 Aug 29, 2018
Trinity. You sure donít mess around with any light stuff! Understanding God as three in one was a huge revolution for the Church. The Jews were adamant that God is One, especially after the exile. So when they had no choice but to recognize the risen Christ as God, it pretty much blew their corporate minds. Add in the presence of the Holy Spirit, and it got even more complicated. The only logical way to understand these truths together was to come up with the concept of the Trinity. But it was a very difficult journey. One of the results of their wrestling was the creeds.
The reality of one God in three persons is, first of all, a mystery that is far bigger and deeper than human minds can completely comprehend. Anyone who tells you they can explain it completely is either totally deluded or lying to you.
There are hints all through the Old Testament of the Trinitarian nature of God, going back all the way to the beginning. God's Spirit moved across the face of the deep; God created (Father) by speaking the Word (Son). An entire class could be devoted to the many other Scriptures that point to this reality. And then, of course, there are Jesus' own words. He referred to the Father time and time again. And perhaps the most clear statement is what we often call the Great Commission in Matthew 28, where Jesus tells us to baptize new disciples in name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
There have been all kinds of illustrations used to try to help people wrap their minds around this concept. I have seen some people use the analogy of the various forms of water. It can be frozen, liquid, or steam, but it is still water. Any analogy we use has its limits. In this case, water canít be ice, liquid or steam at the same time, whereas God is eternally Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The early Church used a triangle to illustrate that each person of the Trinity is God, but each person is distinct from each other person. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God; but the Father is not the Son or the Spirit, the Son is not the Father or the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father or the Son.
Mostly when we think of the distinctions between the Persons of the Trinity, we think of the things they do, what theologians call their office. I donít want to rewrite a book here, but briefly, the church came to understand the functions of the Father as creator and initiator; the Son as the Word through whom creation was done, and the person of God who became one of us in order to redeem us and all of creation; and the Holy Spirit as the power and presence of God in the world today, sent by the Father after the Son returned to his glory.
But remember that even with the centuries of working to wrap our minds around the whole idea, we never will get it all right. There is overlap in the functions of each person, and we need to be careful to remember that any time we are talking about any of the distinct persons, we are still talking about all. God is one, so when you get any part of God you get all of God. One other image the early church used to understand as much as they could was the Greek word perichoresis. It basically means to dance around. The image is that of dancing partners who are so in synch and in step with each other that it is hard to tell them apart as they dance; they appear as just one fluid movement.
To the best of my knowledge, this basic understanding of the Trinity is shared by all Christian churches; catholic, orthodox or protestant. There are some groups who donít buy into the understanding that God Three in One. Their concern is that we are basically saying there are 3 gods. Many would not consider those groups Christian at all.
By the way, one of the things that reinforces the understanding of the Trinity
I look forward to seeing what else anyone has to add.
Peace

Orlando, FL

#20 Aug 30, 2018
I just realized I started a thought at the end of that last post and never finished it. I am away from home visiting family, and I think I got distracted.
Besides all the scripture that points to God as Three in One, our understanding of God as Love, as 1 John 4:8 says, requires some kind of relationship to be in the very nature of God. However you define love, it requires at least one who is doing the loving and one who is being loved. Once you grasp that truth, then it becomes a matter of searching for the best understanding of what number makes the most sense, and that number turns out to be 3.
As I said, I know there is much more that can be said, and there is a lot of scripture that can fill in some of the blanks. But I wanted to address your basic question without doing an entire course here. Bottom line understanding of the vast majority of the Christian (protestant, catholic and orthodox) Church: God is eternally One God in Three Persons. At one moment in human history, one of those persons, the Son, became human to fulfill God's plan to redeem the world. When that task was completed through the cross and verified by the empty grave, the Son took that glorified human body and rejoined the Father until that day the Father sends the Son to complete the restoration. In the meantime the Father and Son sent the Spirit to guide and empower believers and especially the Church in demonstrating what life in the Kingdom of heaven is going to look like. At least that is what we are supposed to be doing, so that others will want to be part of that Kingdom.
Grace and peace as you continue your journey.

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