Conneticut School Shooting

Conneticut School Shooting

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concernedchristi an

Savannah, TN

#1 Dec 14, 2012
I understand that people are upset and angry at what this Ryan guy did. I know it's unbelievable that a person would do such a thing to small children. What I don't understand is why people are saying they hope he burns in hell. Even though he did a horrible thing, we are not supposed to wish the worst on ANYBODY. No matter what the crime/act is that they have committed. We have no idea what possessed this man to do what he did. If your a Christian like I am, you'll remember in the Bible it says there's a time for everything that happens(Ecclesiastes 3). There is also a reason as to why God let this occur.We don't know why God would let such a terrible event occur, but we're not supposed to understand his plans. We're supposed to just trust in him. Last thing,even thought people are filled with rage and hate,we are also supposed to forgive others for their sins. This may seem like a bigger sin than lying, but all sin is the same in God's eyes. The Bible also says we are supposed to forgive others of their sins as God has forgiven us.If we do not forgive others of their sins, God will not forgive us of ours(Matt.6:14-15).
guest

Jackson, TN

#2 Dec 14, 2012
He also says murderers and rapist are to go straight to the father!
concernedchristi an

Savannah, TN

#3 Dec 14, 2012
If you repent and sincerely ask in for forgivness, he will give it to you. Therefore making you clean again(if you have benn baptized)
finally

United States

#4 Dec 15, 2012
Finally someone understands that you cant spread hate to find love

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#5 Dec 15, 2012
concernedchristian wrote:
I understand that people are upset and angry at what this Ryan guy did. I know it's unbelievable that a person would do such a thing to small children. What I don't understand is why people are saying they hope he burns in hell. Even though he did a horrible thing, we are not supposed to wish the worst on ANYBODY. No matter what the crime/act is that they have committed. We have no idea what possessed this man to do what he did. If your a Christian like I am, you'll remember in the Bible it says there's a time for everything that happens(Ecclesiastes 3). There is also a reason as to why God let this occur.We don't know why God would let such a terrible event occur, but we're not supposed to understand his plans. We're supposed to just trust in him. Last thing,even thought people are filled with rage and hate,we are also supposed to forgive others for their sins. This may seem like a bigger sin than lying, but all sin is the same in God's eyes. The Bible also says we are supposed to forgive others of their sins as God has forgiven us.If we do not forgive others of their sins, God will not forgive us of ours(Matt.6:14-15).
You must not have children to be able to look at this so lightly.

"but all sin is the same in God's eyes"
That's a nice sentiment for the "demented". I say demented because its rather inconceivable to put something like cursing in the same category as child rapist and murders.

If Christians really felt that way then they wouldn't be so adamant about hating "the gays " .

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#6 Dec 15, 2012
concernedchristian wrote:
If you repent and sincerely ask in for forgivness, he will give it to you. Therefore making you clean again(if you have benn baptized)
Yep and what large loop hole. Face palm . Can you sit there and honestly say that people that commit such crimes deserves the same fate (heaven) as decent ,loving , caring ,and kind people? I just don't understand how you can conceive the idea that just because "they're sorry" that they should be rewarded the same.

Imagine if our justice system worked the same way. Oh you did what ? You went on a rampage killing 20+ ppl. Oh but your sorry and you learned your lesson. Well ok as long as you learned from it . Smh.
concernedchristi an

Savannah, TN

#7 Dec 16, 2012
Toyota bad boy wrote:
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You must not have children to be able to look at this so lightly.
"but all sin is the same in God's eyes"
That's a nice sentiment for the "demented". I say demented because its rather inconceivable to put something like cursing in the same category as child rapist and murders.
If Christians really felt that way then they wouldn't be so adamant about hating "the gays " .
you obviously have not read your Bible well enough if you don't under that sin is the same in God's eyes.
concernedchristi an

Savannah, TN

#8 Dec 16, 2012
Toyota bad boy wrote:
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Yep and what large loop hole. Face palm . Can you sit there and honestly say that people that commit such crimes deserves the same fate (heaven) as decent ,loving , caring ,and kind people? I just don't understand how you can conceive the idea that just because "they're sorry" that they should be rewarded the same.
Imagine if our justice system worked the same way. Oh you did what ? You went on a rampage killing 20+ ppl. Oh but your sorry and you learned your lesson. Well ok as long as you learned from it . Smh.
The example you used about the justice system proves my point. There's a reason they don't do it like thatt..people see it as unfair. But you can't argue with the way God does things. Everything he does is JUST and FAIR(PSALMS 7:11) also you see in that verse God is angry with the things that wicked people do(such as the shooting) But there's a reason God let this happen. We don't know why and we're NOT SUPPOSED TO. God tells us to put our faith in him and trust in what he is doing. Back to the forgiveness, yes, even people who rape and murder can recieve the same glorious fate as those who are kind. As long as you repent of your sins, and are SINCERELY sorry(did you see that SINERELY. Meaning you know you did something terrible, and you are truely sorry for what you have done)and ask God for his forgiveness, he will give it to you. It doesn't matter about the mistakes you have made in the past, or what you've said to someone, if you, WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART WANT GOD'S FORGIVNESS FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE, AND ARE WILLING TO CHANGE YOUR WAYS, HE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.
big boy

Chatsworth, GA

#9 Dec 16, 2012
it wasnt ryan it was his brother

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#10 Dec 16, 2012
concernedchristian wrote:
<quoted text>you obviously have not read your Bible well enough if you don't under that sin is the same in God's eyes.
Oh I've read it cover to cover . Went to a Christian school where the bible was part of my curriculum. I've done years of research on it and still continue to research the facts.
And actually you are incorrect not all sin are equal to one another . There are only 2 sins that are separate,Blasphemy and apostasy.

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#11 Dec 16, 2012
concernedchristian wrote:
<quoted text>The example you used about the justice system proves my point. There's a reason they don't do it like thatt..people see it as unfair. But you can't argue with the way God does things. Everything he does is JUST and FAIR(PSALMS 7:11) also you see in that verse God is angry with the things that wicked people do(such as the shooting) But there's a reason God let this happen. We don't know why and we're NOT SUPPOSED TO. God tells us to put our faith in him and trust in what he is doing. Back to the forgiveness, yes, even people who rape and murder can recieve the same glorious fate as those who are kind. As long as you repent of your sins, and are SINCERELY sorry(did you see that SINERELY. Meaning you know you did something terrible, and you are truely sorry for what you have done)and ask God for his forgiveness, he will give it to you. It doesn't matter about the mistakes you have made in the past, or what you've said to someone, if you, WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART WANT GOD'S FORGIVNESS FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE, AND ARE WILLING TO CHANGE YOUR WAYS, HE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.
""Everything he does is JUST and FAIR(PSALMS 7:11)"""

God is love and justice. God can't do any wrong or evil because it's not part of his nature.
God is superior therefore he can do what he wants without being judged, because who are we to judge God? Objective morality exists. Since God is good incarnate then everything that god does or says is automatically the standard for objective morality.

A true objective standard of morality is one against which everyone and everything can be measured against. This includes god. But for god being judged against an objective standard, the standard must exist outside of that which is being measured. God shows us his own morality by telling us what's right and wrong. So we aren't judging god against human morality standards, we are judging him against his own standards.

Believers have simply arbitrarily defined "good" to mean "whatever god says is good". But why would that which god says be good? Because god is arbitrarily defined as all good. It's a circular argument based on arbitrary definitions. But if good is arbitrarily defined, it can't be objective.

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#12 Dec 16, 2012
concernedchristian wrote:
<quoted text>The example you used about the justice system proves my point. There's a reason they don't do it like thatt..people see it as unfair. But you can't argue with the way God does things. Everything he does is JUST and FAIR(PSALMS 7:11) also you see in that verse God is angry with the things that wicked people do(such as the shooting) But there's a reason God let this happen. We don't know why and we're NOT SUPPOSED TO. God tells us to put our faith in him and trust in what he is doing. Back to the forgiveness, yes, even people who rape and murder can recieve the same glorious fate as those who are kind. As long as you repent of your sins, and are SINCERELY sorry(did you see that SINERELY. Meaning you know you did something terrible, and you are truely sorry for what you have done)and ask God for his forgiveness, he will give it to you. It doesn't matter about the mistakes you have made in the past, or what you've said to someone, if you, WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART WANT GOD'S FORGIVNESS FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE, AND ARE WILLING TO CHANGE YOUR WAYS, HE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.
"""Back to the forgiveness, yes, even people who rape and murder can recieve the same glorious fate as those who are kind. As long as you repent of your sins, and are SINCERELY sorry(did you see that SINERELY. Meaning you know you did something terrible, and you are truely sorry for what you have done)and ask God for his forgiveness, he will give it to you. It doesn't matter about the mistakes you have made in the past, or what you've said to someone, if you, WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART WANT GOD'S FORGIVNESS FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE, AND ARE WILLING TO CHANGE YOUR WAYS, HE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU"""

So you mean to tell me that heaven is filled with murders, rapist , and child molesters because they found jail house Jesus and truly repented for their crimes?
So how exactly is there any justice then?
Ill go more in depth here and put it like this. A child becomes traumatized and has to have years therapy to cope with the pain of being molested and raped. This child grows up but even in adulthood is still affected by the event. This person has to be medicated and continue to talk with a psychologist for many years.
The rapist repents and becomes a born again Christian but never paid for his crime here. That being said ,how is there any justice for the person that was molested and raped then if just because they're truly sorry and repented gained way to heaven ?
concernedchristi an

Savannah, TN

#13 Dec 16, 2012
yes,heaven is filled with those kinds of people.Just because you can't forgive them for what they have done,doesn't mean God hasn't. And as to your situation, for the person who was raped, yeah their gonna have pain and suffering from what the person has done to them, but if they put their trust in God, everything will get better. And what do you mean by justice? Wordly or heavenly?
concernedchristi an

Savannah, TN

#14 Dec 16, 2012
Toyota bad boy wrote:
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Oh I've read it cover to cover . Went to a Christian school where the bible was part of my curriculum. I've done years of research on it and still continue to research the facts.
And actually you are incorrect not all sin are equal to one another . There are only 2 sins that are separate,Blasphemy and apostasy.
Just because you went to a Christian school, doesn't mean you know everything

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#15 Dec 16, 2012
Toyota bad boy wrote:
<quoted text>"""Back to the forgiveness, yes, even people who rape and murder can recieve the same glorious fate as those who are kind. As long as you repent of your sins, and are SINCERELY sorry(did you see that SINERELY. Meaning you know you did something terrible, and you are truely sorry for what you have done)and ask God for his forgiveness, he will give it to you. It doesn't matter about the mistakes you have made in the past, or what you've said to someone, if you, WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART WANT GOD'S FORGIVNESS FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE, AND ARE WILLING TO CHANGE YOUR WAYS, HE WILL GIVE IT TO YOU"""

So you mean to tell me that heaven is filled with murders, rapist , and child molesters because they found jail house Jesus and truly repented for their crimes?
So how exactly is there any justice then?
Ill go more in depth here and put it like this. A child becomes traumatized and has to have years therapy to cope with the pain of being molested and raped. This child grows up but even in adulthood is still affected by the event. This person has to be medicated and continue to talk with a psychologist for many years.
The rapist repents and becomes a born again Christian but never paid for his crime here. That being said ,how is there any justice for the person that was molested and raped then if just because they're truly sorry and repented gained way to heaven ?
Everything doesn't get better just because you trust god. Children die everyday from cancer ,starvation , murder ,etc so at what point does everything "just get better"? That's like saying when a person looses a limb "hey trust god everything will get better" as if the it would grow back.

"And what do you mean by justice? Wordly or heavenly"

"The rapist repents and becomes a born again Christian but never paid for his crime here. "
So yes beyond this world.
Life is not fair as we all know but damn if i believed in a god that professed to be just i would expect some justice. But Christians teach that all you need to do is be truly sorry and repent and because god forgives me that some how makes everything better. Though that contradicts the bible verse Matthew 7:21-23 .

According to your logic and theology hitler could be in heaven for all you know.

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#16 Dec 17, 2012
concernedchristian wrote:
<quoted text>Just because you went to a Christian school, doesn't mean you know everything
I never proffered to know everything. That's why I said "still continue to research the facts " . My point in telling you that i went to a Christian school was to give a bit more validation that not only did I read it but i was forced to study it. To go even further I was a member of the first baptist church here in Lexington. Then Methodist , cornerstone in Nashville , and lastly Pentecostal in Hendersonville TN. When I couldn't find answers in the bible I started doing my own research. And it amazes me just how much theist don't know about their own religion.
get with it

Medina, TN

#17 Dec 17, 2012
big boy wrote:
it wasnt ryan it was his brother
this shows just how informed these ppl are...prolly the same ppl voting garbage like marsha blackburn in...if you really love your kids you'll change your ways and ban all assault weapons and handguns. but no all you rednecks and saints need your guns just like the next lunatic in line...when,and god forbid it doesn't, somethin like this happens to someone you loved and raised since birth you will feel totally different. HOW MANY MORE DO YOU WANT DEAD???
that one chick

Plano, TX

#18 Dec 17, 2012
get with it wrote:
<quoted text> this shows just how informed these ppl are...prolly the same ppl voting garbage like marsha blackburn in...if you really love your kids you'll change your ways and ban all assault weapons and handguns. but no all you rednecks and saints need your guns just like the next lunatic in line...when,and god forbid it doesn't, somethin like this happens to someone you loved and raised since birth you will feel totally different. HOW MANY MORE DO YOU WANT DEAD???
HELLO ITS NOT THE GUN ITS THE PERSON HOLDING THE GUN HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE GUNS AROUND HERE? Nothin like thats actually happened ? It's the user n abuser not the object
get with it

Medina, TN

#19 Dec 17, 2012
well without the object what more do we have to talk about you ignorant hick...maybe some of these gun extremist should get their heads checked...you think those ppl want to ever look at a gun again...how disrespectful can you ppl get...RIP lives taken in vain.

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#20 Dec 17, 2012
get with it wrote:
<quoted text>this shows just how informed these ppl are...prolly the same ppl voting garbage like marsha blackburn in...if you really love your kids you'll change your ways and ban all assault weapons and handguns. but no all you rednecks and saints need your guns just like the next lunatic in line...when,and god forbid it doesn't, somethin like this happens to someone you loved and raised since birth you will feel totally different. HOW MANY MORE DO YOU WANT DEAD???
It's not about being a "red neck " it has to do with having the right to defend oneself.
You could make it completely illegal to own a firearm but that wouldn't stop criminals from getting their hands on one. It's completely illegal to be in possession of meth and other narcotics yet that doesn't stop ppl from having it.

"A Free People Ought Not Only To Be Armed And Disciplined, But They Should Have Sufficient Arms And Ammunition To Maintain A Status Of Independence From Any Who Might Attempt To Abuse Them, Which Would Include Their Own Government." George Washington

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