Episcopal Drama Rocks SC

There are 20 comments on the FITSNews story from Oct 17, 2012, titled Episcopal Drama Rocks SC. In it, FITSNews reports that:

The national Episcopal church has advised South Carolina Bishop Mark Lawrence that he has "abandoned" the church as a result of his refusal to accept its teachings on gay marriage and the ordination of gay and female clergy.

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#363 Dec 7, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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I'm not your special anything.
LOL!!!....

Ahh! But, "Beauty" is in the eye of the Beholder!

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#364 Dec 7, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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No, that would be YOU, our special little drama QUEEN....
Glad you got the joke..too bad Joe didn't.

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#366 Dec 7, 2012
"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."

I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.

Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev.Dr. Mel White) The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.

"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary

Yet Jesus told us:

John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Meanwhile, the irrational prejudice promoted by some who claim to be Christians, continues to cause needless suffering and death, here and around the world.

“... truth will out.”

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#367 Dec 7, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible ...
John 20:30

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#368 Dec 7, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>It's odd that you would employ such bigoted hate toward Catholics, especially concerning their homosexual scandal. The priest abuse scandal was over 80% homosexual in nature and primarily involved molestation of minor young men, with little actual pedophilia. It was indeed a homosexual scandal.
Of course it's also strange that you post on a thread about a church that still officially recognizes the authority of Scripture when you yourself choose to live in open rebellion against it:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
No dummy. IT WAS 100% SEXUAL CHILD ABUSE IN NATURE!!!!!This is not heterosexual or homosexual...so it is ok if it is STRAIGHT SEX? Who is the pervert now? Thanks David. Kiddie Diddler....

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#369 Dec 8, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>No dummy. IT WAS 100% SEXUAL CHILD ABUSE IN NATURE!!!!!This is not heterosexual or homosexual...so it is ok if it is STRAIGHT SEX? Who is the pervert now? Thanks David. Kiddie Diddler....
Thank God he's not a roman.....

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#370 Dec 9, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>No dummy. IT WAS 100% SEXUAL CHILD ABUSE IN NATURE!!!!!This is not heterosexual or homosexual...so it is ok if it is STRAIGHT SEX? Who is the pervert now? Thanks David. Kiddie Diddler....
Homosexual child abuse.

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#371 Dec 9, 2012
WotMeWorry wrote:
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Homosexual child abuse.
Nope, pedophilia.

Not all were little innocent boys, some places had altar girls who are now coming forward as well.

A shame you have to put your disturbingly wrong definitions out here....

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#372 Dec 9, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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I'm not your special anything.
Yes, you are.

You are very special in that we have to repeat things for you in a pablum way that you might understand....

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#373 Dec 9, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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John 20:30
And nothing there justifies using His name to support harming gay people, nor does it contradict John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another, John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you, John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

“For this reason...”

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#374 Dec 9, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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Nope, pedophilia.
Not all were little innocent boys, some places had altar girls who are now coming forward as well.
A shame you have to put your disturbingly wrong definitions out here....
No one said that all the child abuse was at the hands of homosexuals, that is your straw man.

The abuse wast mostly by homosexual men which makes sence if one takes the view that homosexuality is a disturbance in sexual development.

“For this reason...”

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#375 Dec 9, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>Glad you got the joke..too bad Joe didn't.
You are at one with the joke...be the joke , be the joke.

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#376 Dec 9, 2012
WotMeWorry wrote:
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which makes sence if one takes the view that homosexuality is a disturbance in sexual development.
Yet no one with any credibility would still take such a thoroughly discredited view.

"No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder."

http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/orientati...

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#377 Dec 9, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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Yes, you are ...
No, I'm not; perhaps you have better luck relating to horses than humans.
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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And nothing there justifies using His name to support harming gay people, nor does it contradict John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another ...
Most Gays can't tell love from sex, which is just one way in which they harm themselves.

“For this reason...”

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#378 Dec 9, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Yet no one with any credibility would still take such a thoroughly discredited view.
"No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder."
http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/orientati...
That statement and those like it are more political than science or, to coin a phrase, more heat than light.

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#379 Dec 9, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No, I'm not; perhaps you have better luck relating to horses than humans.
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Most Gays can't tell love from sex, which is just one way in which they harm themselves.
That is your prejudice, not a reflection of real life for most gay people. Many are entering committed relationships based on mutual love and respect, as they have been doing since caveman days.

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#380 Dec 9, 2012
WotMeWorry wrote:
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That statement and those like it are more political than science or, to coin a phrase, more heat than light.
Over 60 years of research demonstrates you are relying on the prejudice you were taught as a child, not an understanding of the science recognized by every mainstream medical and mental health organization in the country.

On the other hand, legal discrimination relies on nothing more than a tradition of discrimination and prejudice supported by nothing more than a few highly disputed interpretations and mistranslations of ancient religious texts which are contradicted by other more important verses.

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#381 Dec 9, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No, I'm not; perhaps you have better luck relating to horses than humans.
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Most Gays can't tell love from sex, which is just one way in which they harm themselves.
Another one of your incredibly Balonius statements!

How completely bigoted you reveal yourself to be.

Rev. Ken

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#382 Dec 9, 2012
WotMeWorry wrote:
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That statement and those like it are more political than science or, to coin a phrase, more heat than light.
LOL!!!....

Your coined phrase is only somewhat apt.

Heat IS the emission of and excitation by photons, vibrating light at infrared wavelength.

Your assumptions in these matters are way off base.

Rev. Ken

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#383 Dec 9, 2012
WotMeWorry wrote:
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Homosexual child abuse.
Only a SICK freak like you would cheer on heterosexual child abuse as GREAT. It is ALL CHILD ABUSE, neither straight nor gay. When are you going to get this part? NEVER!

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