TSF

Cameron, NC

#41197 Jul 22, 2013
I never imagined that reason could take hold on a republican, but I keep trying. You never know when an epiphany might hit one of them. So we have to end teacher tenure because it has never been a problem? Kind of like we have to spend millions on voter ID because that also has never been a problem. Or like NC needs an official NC religion because state religion religion is prohibited by the US constitution. Republikan stupidity would be funny if it were not so pathetic.

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#41198 Jul 22, 2013
TSF wrote:
I never imagined that reason could take hold on a republican, but I keep trying. You never know when an epiphany might hit one of them. So we have to end teacher tenure because it has never been a problem? Kind of like we have to spend millions on voter ID because that also has never been a problem. Or like NC needs an official NC religion because state religion religion is prohibited by the US constitution. Republikan stupidity would be funny if it were not so pathetic.
TSF most people in most jobs don't have tenure.Why do you think teachers can't teach without tenure?

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#41199 Jul 22, 2013
TSF wrote:
NC teachers will get their arrow up the patootie this week compliments of the republikan state legislature ,when it votes to end teacher tenure. It really is just symbolic of republican contempt for teachers because there are already 25 reasons NC teachers can be fired, including incompetence, immorality , etc.. The only thing tenure requires is that individuals be given a reason for their dismissal. Now they can just say "your are fired" and give no reason. Hopefully all teachers will be able to remember this at the next election.
If it were only that simple to fire a teacher. Most firings take several months to years and a lot of money thanks to the union. I'd rather see them get rid of ALL govt employee unions and let them keep their tenure, that way we COULD simply say "you are fired".
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41200 Jul 22, 2013
The problem with your statement with regards to NC is that NC doesn't have a teacher's union. Collective bargaining was outlawed for teachers years ago.
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>If it were only that simple to fire a teacher. Most firings take several months to years and a lot of money thanks to the union. I'd rather see them get rid of ALL govt employee unions and let them keep their tenure, that way we COULD simply say "you are fired".
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41201 Jul 22, 2013
Teachers can certainly teach without tenure. Most jobs do not have the vulnerability and exposure of teachers. Take away tenure, attack, demoralize and further discourage teachers who are already giving 100% while earning a poverty level salary. Make all of them quit . Replace them all with unqualified clock riders . Completely dismantle public education. Increase the floggings until morale improves. Republikan plan for the future. But wait, isn't that how we arrived here in the first place?
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> TSF most people in most jobs don't have tenure.Why do you think teachers can't teach without tenure?
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41202 Jul 22, 2013
Firing teachers for arbitrary and capricious reasons has been somewhat difficult in recent years because you have to manufacture evidence of one of the many reasons for dismissal. Should teachers be fired for fabricated reasons ? I don't think so.
If there is any real evidence, no problem, fire them . I think that is how it should be.

Should it be difficult to imprison people on manufactured (falsified ) evidence? I think so. Republikans don't. Lincoln was the first republican to cancel habeas corpus and imprison persons without evidence or trial.
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>If it were only that simple to fire a teacher. Most firings take several months to years and a lot of money thanks to the union. I'd rather see them get rid of ALL govt employee unions and let them keep their tenure, that way we COULD simply say "you are fired".
mspatten

Asheville, NC

#41203 Jul 23, 2013
Burr is not even running!!!! His term is not over!!!
I am voting for Kay Hagan, current senator who is running for re- election.
Waynesville, come on. Stay current.
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#41204 Jul 23, 2013
Pro-American wrote:
<quoted text>If it were only that simple to fire a teacher. Most firings take several months to years and a lot of money thanks to the union. I'd rather see them get rid of ALL govt employee unions and let them keep their tenure, that way we COULD simply say "you are fired".
True that, research the "firing" of the Superintendent of Watauga Co. The county found easier to "buy out" his contract. The guy was an ass.
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#41205 Jul 23, 2013
TSF wrote:
Firing teachers for arbitrary and capricious reasons has been somewhat difficult in recent years because you have to manufacture evidence of one of the many reasons for dismissal. Should teachers be fired for fabricated reasons ? I don't think so.
If there is any real evidence, no problem, fire them . I think that is how it should be.
Should it be difficult to imprison people on manufactured (falsified ) evidence? I think so. Republikans don't. Lincoln was the first republican to cancel habeas corpus and imprison persons without evidence or trial.
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I guess there is no way they are just crappy teachers? Yeah, and Lincoln wanted to ship all blacks to English colonies after the Civil War, check the Kew Museum. My point being, your Lincoln reference was reaching for the topic of teachers.
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41206 Jul 23, 2013
How many teachers have negotiated contracts for extended years and dismissal protection like that of the $150,000 + contracts of superintendents ? Teachers sign standard, mostly non negotiated yearly contracts with no dismissal protections . The public's perception of teacher employment conditions being the same as a superintendent's is totally inaccurate.
Dang wrote:
<quoted text>True that, research the "firing" of the Superintendent of Watauga Co. The county found easier to "buy out" his contract. The guy was an ass.

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#41207 Jul 23, 2013
Doesn't matter that the superintendent makes what he does.The contract was agreed to.I've never had tenure at any job I've ever had.If I can live without it, so can they.No one forces someone to teach.Wal.Mart is hiring.
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41208 Jul 23, 2013
Yes, there are a few rotten apples in every barrel. The idea that it is difficult to fire incompetent , immoral, addicted, etc teachers is pure BS. Precious few teachers have negotiated contracts. Teachers have to work a minimum of 3 years before tenure is even considered. Without tenure, their employment is at the will of supervisors. Nothing wrong with that unless the supervisors start hiring incompetent relatives and political allies in the place of skilled, experienced and dedicated professionals. Prevention of nepotism is the primary reason tenure was established in the first place. Most teachers are hard working ,dedicated professionals trying to educate with meager resources. There are those who shouldn't be there. They do not last long. I too had a very few horrible teachers, particularly in grade school. I did not transfer my hatred for those few onto all the excellent others.
Dang wrote:
<quoted text>I guess there is no way they are just crappy teachers? Yeah, and Lincoln wanted to ship all blacks to English colonies after the Civil War, check the Kew Museum. My point being, your Lincoln reference was reaching for the topic of teachers.
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41209 Jul 23, 2013
And therein lies the solution to the dilemma. If ALL certified teachers refused to work without a negotiated contract, the state could either give them the contract or the teachers could work in other more profitable areas. Most of the teachers I know are competitive individuals and would do actually better outside the rat race of public schools or the dungeons of private schools. Public schools would suffer in quality until the pendulum swings back into a more intelligent direction, if that is even possible for NC . Who knows, it has happened before.
As for Wal-Mart employment, I think you would be surprised to know the number of teachers who ALREADY work there to supplement
their meager income.
waco1909 wrote:
Doesn't matter that the superintendent makes what he does.The contract was agreed to.I've never had tenure at any job I've ever had.If I can live without it, so can they.No one forces someone to teach.Wal.Mart is hiring.

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#41210 Jul 23, 2013
NC won't allow collective bargaining for teachers.The state will offer teachers a certain amount of money.If a teacher decides that money is not enough, that teacher can search for employment elsewhere.That is their right. in America today more and more people work multiple jobs. more and more, prosperity seems to be out of reach for the common man. Morally militarily and economically America is in a state of decline. this may never be reversed'
Dang

Lenoir, NC

#41211 Jul 23, 2013
TSF wrote:
How many teachers have negotiated contracts for extended years and dismissal protection like that of the $150,000 + contracts of superintendents ? Teachers sign standard, mostly non negotiated yearly contracts with no dismissal protections . The public's perception of teacher employment conditions being the same as a superintendent's is totally inaccurate.
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Never said they were the same and never thought they were the same. My point was employment should be based on performance. Teachers choose the profession for various reasons. http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/humanreso... I going to read through this little bit of "policy" and get informed on the teacher contracts.
Taxpayer

Point Harbor, NC

#41212 Jul 23, 2013
waco1909 wrote:
NC won't allow collective bargaining for teachers.The state will offer teachers a certain amount of money.If a teacher decides that money is not enough, that teacher can search for employment elsewhere.That is their right. in America today more and more people work multiple jobs. more and more, prosperity seems to be out of reach for the common man. Morally militarily and economically America is in a state of decline. this may never be reversed'
I worked 3 jobs for over 25 years. One I liked the others I hated. But I wanted my family to do well and I provide for them. I did not ask the government to steal from others that work for their families and give to me. That is not what teacher want and the is not what they teach our kids. They teach and be leave they are entitled.

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#41213 Jul 23, 2013
Wow.Just checked out the teachers pay and perks.Damn, they get great benefits! People should check this out!
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41214 Jul 23, 2013
It seems we are in total agreement in that employment should be based on performance. Teacher tenure assures that. Basing employment on your kinship , political party, physical attractiveness, sexual cooperation, gossip or failure to break/bend rules for school board member's children are some of the things tenure prevents.
Dang wrote:
<quoted text>Never said they were the same and never thought they were the same. My point was employment should be based on performance. Teachers choose the profession for various reasons. http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/humanreso... I going to read through this little bit of "policy" and get informed on the teacher contracts.
Amy

United States

#41215 Jul 23, 2013
TSF wrote:
<quoted text>It seems we are in total agreement in that employment should be based on performance. Teacher tenure assures that. Basing employment on your kinship , political party, physical attractiveness, sexual cooperation, gossip or failure to break/bend rules for school board member's children are some of the things tenure prevents.
I totally agree!!!
TSF

Cameron, NC

#41216 Jul 24, 2013
Almost everyone agrees that education is the way out of NC's economic slump. Technology has replaced our antiquated production methods and their unskilled labor intensive requirements. The modern economy needs technicians, mathematicians, engineers, technically savvy managers, economist with statistical and analytical knowledge, etc.. Children cannot acquire the basic knowledge prerequisite for the learning of these intellectually complex fields from under educated under paid unqualified baby sitters.
The backward and self destructive republican attack on public education is a serious mistake for which our state, its citizens and children will suffer, economically, intellectually and socially for years to come.

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