Electronic Cigarettes / Vaping Supplies?

Electronic Cigarettes / Vaping Supplies?

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Vapemeister

Lexington, KY

#1 May 10, 2011
Recently I switched from smoking 1.5 packs a day to electronic cigarettes or "vaping". Two weeks now without "analog" cigarettes and I'm loving it!

So far everything has been purchased online, but I'd like to support local businesses if possible.

So, does anyone know of any serious e-cigarette / vaping businesses in Lexington?

“I AM DESERVING”

Since: Oct 09

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#2 May 10, 2011
Vapemeister wrote:
Recently I switched from smoking 1.5 packs a day to electronic cigarettes or "vaping". Two weeks now without "analog" cigarettes and I'm loving it!

So far everything has been purchased online, but I'd like to support local businesses if possible.

So, does anyone know of any serious e-cigarette / vaping businesses in Lexington?
They sell those things at all the truck stops from tenn down. Mostly the race trakk truck stops. Hope this helps
Vapemeister

Lexington, KY

#3 May 11, 2011
tavido wrote:
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They sell those things at all the truck stops from tenn down. Mostly the race trakk truck stops. Hope this helps
Yes, but unfortunately most of those are not what one would call "serious" e-cigs or supplies. The world of personal vaporizers is MUCH larger than that.:) I suppose the kits one finds there aren't necessarily a bad introduction to e-cigs but I'm looking more for someplace that carries the hardware and consumables -- atomizers, cartomizers, drip tips, batteries, PCCS, packing/wicking material, etc.-- and preferably a variety of flavors of good e-liquid/smoke juice.
nike

Elgin, TX

#4 May 11, 2011
I have a question...always been curious. I don't smoke, but I've seen these advertised. Now...If these things don't really have nicotine like real cigs...then why smoke them? I don't see how it helps u if ur body isn't getting the nicotine it's addicted to. I don't see the point of them?
aaron

Ann Arbor, MI

#5 May 11, 2011
They DO have nicotine in them, it's just another way to get the nicotine into your system...kinda like nicorette gum.

Since: Oct 10

Alexandria, KY

#6 May 11, 2011
Hey man, fellow vapor here. The only place local I've found is Vapor Stix in Richmond. The have kits, box mods, Attys and Cartos, and fluid, etc. They are kind of small, but hopefully as vaping becomes more mainstream, they'll get bigger, and maybe branch out toward Lex.

I purchased some things from them, but still mostly order online as I have my preferences for things that they don't carry.

Hope this helps.
nike

Elgin, TX

#7 May 11, 2011
aaron wrote:
They DO have nicotine in them, it's just another way to get the nicotine into your system...kinda like nicorette gum.
Oh...ok I didn't know bc the commercials say that it contains no nicotine or harmful chemicals

Since: Oct 10

Alexandria, KY

#8 May 11, 2011
nike wrote:
<quoted text>Oh...ok I didn't know bc the commercials say that it contains no nicotine or harmful chemicals
You can buy fluid that does not have nicotine. They make most juices with varying strengths from 36mg tapering down to 0mg. Helpful for people who want to taper down their nicotine addiction.

As far as the "harmful chemicals". Ejuice is a glycerine base with flavoring and nicotine added. Essentially the same as a fog machine. Perfectly safe. Especially as compared to the 4000 chemicals found in a regular cigarette.
nike

Elgin, TX

#9 May 11, 2011
Trogdor_the_Burninator wrote:
<quoted text>You can buy fluid that does not have nicotine. They make most juices with varying strengths from 36mg tapering down to 0mg. Helpful for people who want to taper down their nicotine addiction.

As far as the "harmful chemicals". Ejuice is a glycerine base with flavoring and nicotine added. Essentially the same as a fog machine. Perfectly safe. Especially as compared to the 4000 chemicals found in a regular cigarette.
I see. So then technically what u exhale is not just water vapor as they tell u on tv. Even if it is vapor, if it has nicotine in it and u inhale into ur body...then it still has to be exhaled also when u blow it out

Since: Oct 10

Alexandria, KY

#10 May 11, 2011
nike wrote:
<quoted text>I see. So then technically what u exhale is not just water vapor as they tell u on tv. Even if it is vapor, if it has nicotine in it and u inhale into ur body...then it still has to be exhaled also when u blow it out
I haven't seen the commercial you cite, in fact, I've never seen PVs ever advertised on tv.

As far as exhaled nicotine goes. From everything I've read, it's minuscule. Contrast that with exhaled tobacco products. Over 4000 chemicals in tobacco smoke, hundreds of them carcinogenic, many more are known poisons.

For those who want to quit, and other methods haven't worked, the PV is an amazing alternative with none of the harmful and undesirable byproducts of smoking.
Vapemeister

Alexandria, KY

#11 May 11, 2011
That's kind of my story -- smoker for over 25 years with multiple attempts to quit including patches, gum and drugs. Vaping/e-cig is the first thing I've done that provides the nicotine and 90% of the rest of the habit - the "smoke", feel in the throat (known as throat hit), oral fixation, etc. So, it doesn't feel so much like I've given something up. It's been two weeks now and my wife has already noted that I don't stink anymore and am apparently breathing easier while sleeping. That's made the whole learning curve worth it to me.

So far what's been said is accurate. The vapor liquid (primarily known as e-liquid, a.k.a. "smoke juice") is Propylene Glycol (PG) and/or Vegetable Glycerin (VG) which, when heated by an atomizer, produces water vapor and small amounts of alcohol sugars (which is why almost all flavors have a slightly sweet note to them). E-liquids also usually contain various alcohol-based flavoring (everything from apple to cinnamon buns to Kahlua) and levels of nicotine from 48mg/ml (usually for "cutting" to lower levels with unflavored PG/VG) down to 0mg/ml. If you're really serious then 0mg/ml is the goal, after which you can quit altogether... or not.

In fact, there is a significant sub-set of vapers who do it just for the flavors and use 0mg only, as an appetite aid. There's not as much need to scarf down a Banana Moon Pie when you can vape the same flavor with no calories! And yes, there is a Banana Moon Pie flavor out there and it's WONDERFUL. I even have a bacon liquid (mine still has nic) that's dead-on to crisp-cooked bacon. It's amazing.

The numbers vary depending on the source, but with real cigarettes (called "analogs" in the vaping world) there are at least 3,000 to 4,000 chemicals in the smoke, many of which are dangerous and almost all of which are still present (in lower concentrations) in second-hand smoke. By contrast, PG/VG vapor is water, sugar, flavors and nicotine going in and water with only trace amounts of flavor and nicotine going out. It's basically the same stuff everyone breathes at bars and concert venues that use fog machines, and to the best of my knowledge no one has tried to ban fog machines.

One of the best parts for me is that vaping is perfectly within my work place policies for use at work, since it is not smoking. Out of habit I usually step outside anyway, but if it's cold or raining or under a deadline and need to keep working, I can vape away at the desk. The only thing anyone has said about it is to ask who's got the cinnamon rolls.:)
Vapemeister

Alexandria, KY

#12 May 11, 2011
It might be interesting to compare vaporizing rigs with fellow vapers in Lexington. Here's a list of what I settled on:

PureSmoker's Icon v1.1 with 510 adapter. Probably middle of the range in higher-end battery mods. It's nice little 3.7v mod that has a 900mah battery that lasts a whole day at work or evening at home. The 510 adapter can be swapped out for other atomizer/cartomizer sizes if needed.

Joy eGo-T "tank" system that uses 1.5ml tanks instead of carts/cartos. About the size of a smallish cigar. I have 650mah batteries but they make them up to 1000mah. Custom atomizers and tanks, but not much more expensive than the standard sizes and attys and batteries are 510 threaded so some parts can be used with my other gear.

Joye 510-T system with some 180mah and 280mah "auto" (draw activated) batteries. Custom atomizer but 510 sized and threaded for use on other 510-compatible batteries and mods. The tank is similar to but smaller than the eGo-T tanks, holding just under 1ml. The batteries are the same diameter as the atomizer and just a little bigger than a cigarette. So, using it is very much like using a cig even though it feels more like a pen. This is by far the most portable option, but tanks don't last long so carrying spares is a must.

I also have a 510 PCC (personal charging case) on order from NoSmokeVA.com . It is the same size as a pack of cigs, holds up to eight Joye 510 accessories and will charge the 180mah batteries on-the-go with room for spare batteries, atomizers and tanks, cartos, etc. This will be a VERY handy accessory when out & about with nowhere to charge batteries.

Given the large number of options even within just the 510, I started with some of everything - atomizers, drip tips, cartridges, "smart" cart tanks, cartomizers, and eventually the 510 tank system. For me, the tank system provides the best combination of taste and ease of use day-to-day so I will have several 510-T attys on hand and at least a dozen spare tanks. I will continue to use cartos for strong flavors (coffees, menthol, bacon, etc.) which tend to stay in an atomizer and alter other flavors until the atty is thoroughly cleaned.

Aside from the hardware there are about 24, 6- to 10ml bottles of flavors I'm still evaluating and an even dozen of flavors that just don't do it for me. Might have to set up a Lexington juice swap sometime so someone can get some use out of them.:)

Any active vapers out there, let the rest of us know what you're using!
nike

Elgin, TX

#13 May 12, 2011
Vapemeister wrote:
That's kind of my story -- smoker for over 25 years with multiple attempts to quit including patches, gum and drugs. Vaping/e-cig is the first thing I've done that provides the nicotine and 90% of the rest of the habit - the "smoke", feel in the throat (known as throat hit), oral fixation, etc. So, it doesn't feel so much like I've given something up. It's been two weeks now and my wife has already noted that I don't stink anymore and am apparently breathing easier while sleeping. That's made the whole learning curve worth it to me.

So far what's been said is accurate. The vapor liquid (primarily known as e-liquid, a.k.a. "smoke juice") is Propylene Glycol (PG) and/or Vegetable Glycerin (VG) which, when heated by an atomizer, produces water vapor and small amounts of alcohol sugars (which is why almost all flavors have a slightly sweet note to them). E-liquids also usually contain various alcohol-based flavoring (everything from apple to cinnamon buns to Kahlua) and levels of nicotine from 48mg/ml (usually for "cutting" to lower levels with unflavored PG/VG) down to 0mg/ml. If you're really serious then 0mg/ml is the goal, after which you can quit altogether... or not.

In fact, there is a significant sub-set of vapers who do it just for the flavors and use 0mg only, as an appetite aid. There's not as much need to scarf down a Banana Moon Pie when you can vape the same flavor with no calories! And yes, there is a Banana Moon Pie flavor out there and it's WONDERFUL. I even have a bacon liquid (mine still has nic) that's dead-on to crisp-cooked bacon. It's amazing.

The numbers vary depending on the source, but with real cigarettes (called "analogs" in the vaping world) there are at least 3,000 to 4,000 chemicals in the smoke, many of which are dangerous and almost all of which are still present (in lower concentrations) in second-hand smoke. By contrast, PG/VG vapor is water, sugar, flavors and nicotine going in and water with only trace amounts of flavor and nicotine going out. It's basically the same stuff everyone breathes at bars and concert venues that use fog machines, and to the best of my knowledge no one has tried to ban fog machines.

One of the best parts for me is that vaping is perfectly within my work place policies for use at work, since it is not smoking. Out of habit I usually step outside anyway, but if it's cold or raining or under a deadline and need to keep working, I can vape away at the desk. The only thing anyone has said about it is to ask who's got the cinnamon rolls.:)
That's cool. My only thing was...I was just curious bc there IS some nicotine in the exhaled vapor also, even if it IS just a very small amount...which means the ads and commercials lie...bc they say that it is ONLY water vapor. Untrue. None of if bothers me. Even reel smoke doesn't bother me. I was just wondering how it worked but now I see. It's just a lie in the ads. I knew there had to be some nic or it would be pointless to use them

Since: Oct 10

Bowling Green, KY

#14 May 12, 2011
Vapemeister wrote:
It might be interesting to compare vaporizing rigs with fellow vapers in Lexington. Here's a list of what I settled on:

PureSmoker's Icon v1.1 with 510 adapter. Probably middle of the range in higher-end battery mods. It's nice little 3.7v mod that has a 900mah battery that lasts a whole day at work or evening at home. The 510 adapter can be swapped out for other atomizer/cartomizer sizes if needed.

Joy eGo-T "tank" system that uses 1.5ml tanks instead of carts/cartos. About the size of a smallish cigar. I have 650mah batteries but they make them up to 1000mah. Custom atomizers and tanks, but not much more expensive than the standard sizes and attys and batteries are 510 threaded so some parts can be used with my other gear.

Joye 510-T system with some 180mah and 280mah "auto" (draw activated) batteries. Custom atomizer but 510 sized and threaded for use on other 510-compatible batteries and mods. The tank is similar to but smaller than the eGo-T tanks, holding just under 1ml. The batteries are the same diameter as the atomizer and just a little bigger than a cigarette. So, using it is very much like using a cig even though it feels more like a pen. This is by far the most portable option, but tanks don't last long so carrying spares is a must.

I also have a 510 PCC (personal charging case) on order from NoSmokeVA.com . It is the same size as a pack of cigs, holds up to eight Joye 510 accessories and will charge the 180mah batteries on-the-go with room for spare batteries, atomizers and tanks, cartos, etc. This will be a VERY handy accessory when out & about with nowhere to charge batteries.

Given the large number of options even within just the 510, I started with some of everything - atomizers, drip tips, cartridges, "smart" cart tanks, cartomizers, and eventually the 510 tank system. For me, the tank system provides the best combination of taste and ease of use day-to-day so I will have several 510-T attys on hand and at least a dozen spare tanks. I will continue to use cartos for strong flavors (coffees, menthol, bacon, etc.) which tend to stay in an atomizer and alter other flavors until the atty is thoroughly cleaned.

Aside from the hardware there are about 24, 6- to 10ml bottles of flavors I'm still evaluating and an even dozen of flavors that just don't do it for me. Might have to set up a Lexington juice swap sometime so someone can get some use out of them.:)

Any active vapers out there, let the rest of us know what you're using!
Dude, you have some serious $$ in your set up. How do you like the ego-t? I heard several complaints that it leaks. I was going to pick one up, but I don't want to waste my money on something I can't keep in the pocket. My sister and brother in law have the automatic 510 kits, and have gone back to smoking because they didn't get what they wanted out of it.

Personally, I have an Apex Alpha UltraMax, 6v tube mod, with RES (reservoir expansion system). Got it from Innovapor.com . Coupled to 510 5v HR attys. I also have some SR 510's and a few SR 510 SR cartos. The SR Attys/Cartos give better vapor production, but the HR's give better flavor with most ejuices. I also have some juices I've tried that were not at all what I was hoping. I think a swap meet would be a cool idea. Louisville has a group called bluegrass vapors that meets once a month or so to vape, chat, trade, etc. Maybe we could start a Lexington chapter.
ThomasA

Gadsden, AL

#15 May 13, 2011
As long as you play with your pacifier outside the doorways of buildings and away from the public, OK.. In a public gathering spot, people are not going to be gathering to brethe your chemical laden naaaaaasty exhaled air.
Vapemeister

Alexandria, KY

#16 May 14, 2011
Trogdor_the_Burninator wrote:
<quoted text>How do you like the ego-t? I heard several complaints that it leaks.
I haven't had an in-pocket leak yet. I have overfilled some tanks and had to clean up before use. When inserting a new tank I always turn the atty upside down and insert from the bottom, and give the tank a twist before using, which may help seat it better. Some flavors work great in the tank system, others don't seem to wick well and are much better in cartos. I'm still experimenting to figure which is which.
Trogdor_the_Burninator wrote:
Personally, I have an Apex Alpha UltraMax, 6v tube mod, with RES (reservoir expansion system).
Dude, that thing looks like a light saber.:) The reason I've got the different setups is to figure out what works best for discrete carry, work and home. Unfortunately no one thing seems to hit the sweet spot for all situations.
Trogdor_the_Burninator wrote:
I think a swap meet would be a cool idea. Louisville has a group called bluegrass vapors that meets once a month or so to vape, chat, trade, etc. Maybe we could start a Lexington chapter.
I do kind of like the idea, I just don't need to create yet another timesink.:) Vaping has become one while I'm on the learning curve but that will taper off once I have a routine down. But a once-a-month or couple of months juice swap sounds do-able.
Vapemeister

Alexandria, KY

#17 May 14, 2011
For those of us interested in serious discussion about the topic... please, PLEASE let us all agree to ignore ignorant troll posts so they don't hijack the thread. They are not here to become informed and responding is a waste of time.
Vapemeister

Alexandria, KY

#18 May 14, 2011
nike wrote:
<quoted text>
I was just curious bc there IS some nicotine in the exhaled vapor also, even if it IS just a very small amount...which means the ads and commercials lie...
For myself, I have to say that if I only bought products that never lied in their advertising, I'd pretty much be eating nuts and grass and wiping myself with tree leaves.:)

As for the nicotine levels in second-hand vapor, you have to remember that it is NOT the same as second-hand smoke from cigarettes.

Second-hand cigarette smoke has two sources: exhaled smoke and sidestream smoke (the smoke from the burning tip). Studies have show that 98% of the nicotine from inhaled cigarette smoke is absorbed by the smoker, so exhaled smoke is not a significant source of nicotine. It is the sidestream smoke that contains nicotine (and all the other bad crap).

The tobacco in a full-flavor cigarette contains about 1 milligram of nicotine. Direct inhalation of the smoke gives the smoker a dose of about 100 nanograms of nicotine in arterial blood and an effective dose of 40 nanograms at receptor sites, with a half-life of about 40 minutes. This is considered an average amount leading to nicotine addiction.

Depending on the environment, nicotine exposure from second-hand cigarette smoke can range from 20 to 900 nanograms of nicotine over eight hours, or from 2.75 to 123.75 nanograms per hour. The high high end of this range was, as I recall, an enclosed bingo hall with poor ventilation, providing an extreme sample. Still, let's keep it in the mix and call the average 57.5 nanograms an hour.

There are a number of factors that affect how much of that would be absorbed by an exposed non-smoker, but let's assume second-hand exposure provides the full environmental dose. 57.5 nanograms of arterial dosing to the exposed party results in receptor site dosing of 23 nanograms, just over half of what it takes to become addicted. So, there is no doubt that second-hand tobacco smoke is bad stuff, just from the nicotine side of things.

e-Cigarettes do NOT provide any sidestream, vaporized nicotine - all environmental vapor is exhaled by the user. And remember that the body absorbs 98% of the nicotine that is inhaled, so the exhaled vapor contains only 2% of the total dose.

This means that in the worst-case scenario above, environmental exposure to second-hand nicotine would be just 2.475 nanograms per hour, with a receptor site level of less than 1 nanogram. And that's assuming a poorly ventilated bingo-hall full of people using e-cigarettes. Casual exposure simply could not be reliably measured.

By way of contrast, the average uncooked tomato contains 7.1 nanograms of nicotine per gram of net weight; many hot peppers, 7-9 nanograms/gram; potatoes, 15 nanograms/gram; cauliflower, 16 nanograms/gram; eggplants, 100 nanograms/gram; and some dark teas as high as 285 nanograms/gram.

Granted that none of that has ever resulted in someone becoming addicted to nicotine, the environmental effect of second-hand vapor is completely negligible. There is, literally, more to complain about in the carbon dioxide that everyone exhales on a daily basis.
Vapemeister

Alexandria, KY

#19 May 14, 2011
Now, with all of THAT said... I do realize there can be some room to legitimately request that a nearby vapor user stop or move. For example:

- A VERY small percentage of the world population might be allergic to Propylene Glycol. By "allergic", the only symptom I am aware of is minor irritation that has been noted to exposure in children under the age of 3. There is no statistical figure anywhere that I can find for a percentage of the population so affected, so I must assume it's well under 1%. Meaning, the chances this could occur would be very slim. Still, it must be accounted for.

- Vapor scent. Most vapor flavors can't even be detected by others; some, however, have a noticeable scent that could disturb others (who would also likely be bothered by perfumes, air fresheners and scented candles). Provided I was asked politely I would certainly stop or move if requested because of this and the concern seemed legitimate.

And... honestly, that's all I can think of.

As a smoker I realized that it was not a healthy habit and that it reeked, and even before laws restricting smoking were in effect I always tried to be respectful of those who didn't smoke before they had to ask. I always smoked outside, downwind of others and not near actively used entrances and exits. The only people I ever had trouble with were what I call "militant anti-smokers" who tend to be rude and confrontational from the start. A little common decency and understanding goes a long way.

As a vaper I still feel the same way. Being informed, though, I understand that the consideration is not one of risk or endangering others. It's simply being considerate when a polite and reasonable request is made for legitimate reasons.
musthaf herod apyur pupur

Evansville, IN

#20 Jun 11, 2011
any smoke shops in the fayette area sell any of this stuff. i bought one of the cheap bulldog e-cigs and managed to quit smoking analogs. i just want some diiferent flavors and options on what to use.

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