We need to get a class action lawsuit...
Former student

Dayton, OH

#21 May 13, 2010
I guess all of us people that are unhappy with the schools are just disgruntled and disaffected. Looks like the state and the feds are asking lots of questions. The AO's can earn more money when they enroll more students. You cant do this - - pay people to get people enrolled if you turn around and enroll them for student loans and student aid. There's information out there on the internet that tells you all about. Sullivan and Spencerian will get busted just like the other schools that ran diploma mills.
Tort

Ann Arbor, MI

#22 May 14, 2010
True_Blue_Fan2010 wrote:
This is for anyone who attends or attended Spencerian College in Lexington and wants to get a class action lawsuit started. They've scammed so many people into attending this "so called" school. Read how many people on studentreviews.com ( http://www.studentsreview.com/KY/SC1.html ) want to get in on a lawsuit. C'mon people, we need to do this!
Sure..all you will get is a lwyers rich! apparently you really didn't learn anything by going to a generic "college". People will never learn. Oh well.
Spencerian Sufferer

Louisville, KY

#23 May 15, 2010
I was interviewed as well for the story but their lawyers wouldn't allow my piece to be aired. Why b/c the reason I can't attend anymore is unfair and prejudice while there are students with worse academic records than mine still in. I am out money and have to finish at another school. I have wasted a year of my life at the profit mill. There are teachers that were excellent that left because of the problems at the school so if AO's, students and teachers are all complaining something stinks at the school. If more than half of your class fails its the teacher and school not the student especially if this goes on for years and it has.
Attorney who can help

Dayton, OH

#24 May 16, 2010
Did Spencerian have any type of entrance test? By federal law, the school had to have some type of qualification standard or tests before they steered students to taking out student loans/financial aid that would benefit the school and perhaps only leave the student in massive debt.

Federal law requires certain minimum criteria before a student is eligible for financial aid/student loans? If a potential student does not have a GED or high school diploma, then the college must offer an ability to benefit test (ABT). I think the same applies if the standardized testing scores are below a set threshhold. In other words, the institution can't admit you knowing that you will struggle or fail their programs simply to make money (of the student loans and financial aid). The fact that a student had low grades could be the result of poor teachers or the college could have forced you into the program knowing you needed other prep work or educational assistance/buildup before you entered the program.
Spencerian Sufferer

Louisville, KY

#25 May 17, 2010
Attorney who can help wrote:
Did Spencerian have any type of entrance test? By federal law, the school had to have some type of qualification standard or tests before they steered students to taking out student loans/financial aid that would benefit the school and perhaps only leave the student in massive debt.
Federal law requires certain minimum criteria before a student is eligible for financial aid/student loans? If a potential student does not have a GED or high school diploma, then the college must offer an ability to benefit test (ABT). I think the same applies if the standardized testing scores are below a set threshhold. In other words, the institution can't admit you knowing that you will struggle or fail their programs simply to make money (of the student loans and financial aid). The fact that a student had low grades could be the result of poor teachers or the college could have forced you into the program knowing you needed other prep work or educational assistance/buildup before you entered the program.
Actually I did pass the entrance exam and while in the PN program I received academic awards had a 4.0 my last quarter. The problem was a missed exam that I was not allowed to take dropped a grade from an A to an F. I petitioned and was refused which I now know that that process is rigged on behalf of the school. In administrations words, "Students never win." I have the student handbook that states I should be able to repeat the class but I was terminated from the program based only on failing two classes but there are currently two students of another race that are repeating classes for the third time.
Aaron

Ann Arbor, MI

#26 May 17, 2010
LOOK...LOOK it's an ambulance chaser!!!!!!!!
Another Spencerian victim

Shepherdsville, KY

#27 May 17, 2010
When you are only one person in an office being bullied it is hard to fight back.If someone is willing to help show what goes on behind closed doors to expose the wrong of people who are supposed to be in charge of providing you with an education. Truthfully they are only interested in taking your money and threatening to put you out of a program that you can't take any of the credits to any other college, so I am thankful for that attorney's help. When all that has been done to the students at Spencerian comes into the public eye to be seen they will have to face the shame. Not only are they treating the students wrong but they are defrauding our government by taking federal grant money for a poor education. If the government wants to educate their citizens then they should hold the institution to some higher standards and make them provide the students with good instructors that can show us how to give quality professional care to the people that we are in charge of caring for. That is what we attend school for after all.
Sullivan Grad

Nicholasville, KY

#28 May 17, 2010
Check out the MBA program at Sullivan Lexington~ talk about a joke, several of the instructors are teaching classes that they do not have the minimum required hours to teach and one instructor doesn't have a Ph.D., only ABD. They're not teaching to SACS standards and if they're audited anytime soon, they will lose accreditation. They have lost several very qualified instructors in the last quarter because of their illegal and unfair practices. Ex-admin officer is telling the truth, I was one of the students that they had you come talk to when they were having a hard time closing the deal. I will not recommend this university to anyone and will be paying off loans for the rest of my life and will never find a job paying close to what they claimed I would earn and career services is a joke, job placement....HA! They pull the ads off yahoo, indeed, and monster. I can do that myself.
spencerian victim

Cincinnati, OH

#29 May 17, 2010
ok sullivan grad....what are you going to do about it? are you just gonna take that? this is wrong! look at most of these posts somebody needs to do something!!!! and fast!!! we dont deserve this i took my education serious and i felt like the instructor we had last quarter was getting paid because i was there and she couldve cared less if i made it as a RN or not. i had no idea that anything like this existed...call me naive but this is just so wrong. PEOPLE, WE HAVE SPENT LOTS OF MONEY, TIME, ENERGY, ETC..... YOUR TELLING ME WE SHOULD JUST LAY DOWN AND PAY SCHOOL LOANS AND THROW AWAY DREAMS WE HAD ONCE WE GRADUATED? if for nothing else how about we make sure no one else goes through this? email the attorney or file a complaint to the attorney generals office and one to the state board of proprietary education. hell, call wave3, call lexington newstations, call the herald leader and the courier journal and if you call the courier ask for nancy rodriguez and tell her you have some issues with these predatory schools!!!!! IVE NEVER DEALT WITH ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN MY LIFE AND I JUST CANT SIT BACK AND LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU!!!!!!
Ex-Admissions Officer

Ft Mitchell, KY

#30 May 21, 2010
Hi folks, I'm sorry I haven't addressed the posts directed to me. I'm not an active Topix user, I was told about the original post by a friend who visits this site and thought I might want to share my thoughts. I was told to read the thread again, so here I am.

- student nurse (post #4): "never go to a for profit institution"

I concur. For-profit institutions have been getting a LOT of negative press and attention lately, and there's a good reason for it.

- To people asking me to get involved in a lawsuit:

No thanks. A class-action lawsuit will go nowhere. Sullivan DOES offer what they sell you: an education. Is it one that is on-par with other universities? That's the question. I would answer "no"... but that IS subjective. The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools seems to believe it is, which is why Sullivan IS accredited, as I mentioned before.

If things posted here are true, the students specifically in the RN program at Spencerian may have a legitimate beef. But honestly, I see a general class-action lawsuit against the entire umbrella of the Sullivan University System as a waste of time.

- Attorney who could help (post #13): "were you paid more for each student you enrolled?"

No, AO was a salaried position when I was there, though I left in 2007 and things may have since changed. There were performance-based raises, but that's not uncommon in any professional arena.

- Outside Looking In (post #16)

You're clearly not on the "outside looking in", but I'll humor you. I don't have negative personal feelings from my time at SU. I worked there for almost two years, was good at my job (not the best, but far from the worst), got along with co-workers and was treated with respect. I left when my husband got a job in another city and I would have continued to work at Sullivan had that not happened. From an employment perspective I have no complaints, my complaints are more on ethical lines. Not ALL AOs were bad apples, and most of the ones I worked with are probably no longer there. But there were more than a few who were very, very dishonest with students, and that dishonesty is readily overlooked by their superiors who simply care about collecting those $100 application fees and sucking in as many people as possible.

Being an AO at Sullivan is akin to a car dealership. The leader of all admissions trainings, their director of sales Jim Crick, is a certified Dale-Carnegie instructor. College admissions at Sullivan is about diversion, information overload, and high-pressure sales tactics. AOs are trained to make a potential student feel guilty and like they wasted the AOs time if they don't fill out an application then and there. The name of the game is "no time to think", and when that is the situation you have to question whether the product is in your best interests. I suspect this is a common theme at any for-profit school. I worked in admissions at my alma mater, Miami of Ohio, after graduating and it was nothing like that.

Would I send my child to Sullivan to get an education? Absolutely not, for three reasons.

1. Sullivan Grad (post #28) is spot-on about the instructors and their teaching credentials. Sullivan offers a "UK" education with "KCTCS" (or lower) teaching standards. I honestly believe they pulled the wool over the eyes of SACS officials to gain accreditation in the first place.

2. It is a lie when they say their classes will transfer to other schools with no issues. I can tell you for a fact that some of their curricula are considered subpar by other schools and transfer credit will be denied for those classes. Also, a Sullivan credit hour is not worth as much at UK or EKU because Sullivan is on a quarterly-based system. I may be slightly off, but transfer credit for a 4-credit hour class at Sullivan translates to something like 2.7 credit hours at UK.

3. I have a serious problem with any institution that graduates students owing $40-$50k in student loans who get jobs making $25k a year.
another SUS victim

Ft Mitchell, KY

#31 May 22, 2010
I was terminated in 2007 and to this date have no clue as to why. After working for this company for five years and creating a gigantic profit they suddenly let me go (after the DOA from Spencerian took over the reigns as DOA at the Sullivan's main campus) although my enrollments were very respectful. The VP of enrollment management has mentioned to other ex-colleagues of mine that if you fire 20% of your admissions officers that will motivate the middle 60% of your admissions officers which will again motivate the top 20%of admissions officers. The director of admissions at the main campus and the VP of enrollment management need to be in jail! Let them loose their big salaries and homes and see how it feel to suffer from being unemployed.
spencerian victim

Cincinnati, OH

#32 May 23, 2010
All i want to say to you ex admissions officer is this....if you dont want to be in a class action suit than thats totally fine. i dont blame you for that but what about giving us someway to contact you? would you help us? please dont answer right now, take some time and pray over what you feel the right thing is to do. i will tell you one thing...something is going to happen! you say there is no way to change whats been going on at sullivan and spencerian but mark my words..SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN. im just wondering if you will help us make that "something happen".
thank you for your time!
Brad

Ft Mitchell, KY

#33 Jun 2, 2010
Bumped for "Wondering"
blllllll

Versailles, KY

#34 Jun 2, 2010
I wanted to go to spencerian, so before I graduated from high school I started taking transition classes there and passed them but when it came time for me to start my summer classes after graduating, they told me I couldn't attend this school because I have assistance from the government to help pay for my education. What made me mad the most is when I went to the school to talk to them they told me that they accepted the VA. so the va payed for my down payment for my summer classes and spencerian wouldnÂ’t give the money back because they told the va that I was a 17 year old widow and that I dropped out of there institution. now what kind of bull is that. now because they did all of this i couldnt start college when i wanted to. now im behind in my degree and i blam spencerian college for all of it.
Outside Looking In

Lexington, KY

#35 Jun 2, 2010
I would say the Labor Board needs to compare the salaries between the Louisville and Lexington campuses. Same hours, same duties but Lexington is paid less all around.
sullen student

Richmond, KY

#36 Jun 2, 2010
Sullivan University is a joke. I was there during the ice storm and have since graduated. In a nutshell, I didnt receive an education, just bought one for an extra high price. They have no admissions standards, and apparently no standards for faculty, either. We covered 5 chapters in 1 50 minute class once, in order to make up for the days lost during the ice storm. It was ridiculous. Who could absorb and retain that amount of material in that time frame? In addition, when I was first "recruited" to Sullivan, I was told that if I got an "F" on something, if I retook the class, the failing grade would not even show on permanent records. So you people who are looking to go to Sullivan and get a quality education,dont bother. They suck.
eku alum

Ft Mitchell, KY

#37 Jun 2, 2010
re: sullen student

you might have misunderstood what they meant about re-taking classes. the way it works with most schools when you retake a class is the old grade is canceled out as far as your gpa is concerned and the new grade replaces it. but your original taking of the class will always show on your transcript.

i partied too much my freshman year and got an f in chemistry. i retook it my junior year and got a b, which brought my gpa up like a quarter of a point all by itself. but my transcript will always show that i took the class my freshman year and failed it. unfortunately that's the price we pay sometimes.
Yet Another Victim

Ft Mitchell, KY

#38 Jun 27, 2010
This issue cannot be ignored. This is fraud and I am totally down for the class action lawsuit.
lol

Evansville, IN

#39 Jul 7, 2010
For students: Your best bet is hire a competent attorney (not a jack leg) who can write on your behalf to the Department of Education. The DOE's starting to scrutinize for-profit education, plus the Sullivan University System's already under the microscope for wage and hour violations. The feds know something's wrong. They just haven't figured out how far the rot extends.

If you believe there are problems with admissions standards, graduation rates, practices admissions officers use to get you to come to school (from what I understand, there are substantial problems in this area), tell the DOE.
miss piggy

Lexington, KY

#40 Jul 7, 2010
for all the whinners out there, your repeated mention of "brining in the lawyers" is just the receipe for your type. rub a little greenback poltice on the wound and everything magically is all right. don't study, just bellyache, but be sure and bring in the lawyers

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