Anonymous

Bronx, NY

#635 Nov 3, 2012
dunkin wrote:
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Wow. Do you call all these women you supposedly counsel "sweetheart"? You sound like the very type of person they would need counseling FOR! I'm going to have to call bs on your being in any field that deals with counseling. Your condescension wouldn't fly in your "profession".
Actually, I am a counselor and a clinical researcher. You want to talk about my condescension after your petty condescending remarks to me? Here's a lesson for you--its called "projective identification." I suggest you learn what that means because, as evidenced by your own pettiness and condescending attitude, it is apparent to me that you are the one who is in dire need counseling, my dear.

Good luck in the real world..
dunkin

Louisville, KY

#636 Nov 3, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I am a counselor and a clinical researcher. You want to talk about my condescension after your petty condescending remarks to me? Here's a lesson for you--its called "projective identification." I suggest you learn what that means because, as evidenced by your own pettiness and condescending attitude, it is apparent to me that you are the one who is in dire need counseling, my dear.
Good luck in the real world..
Sweetheart, my dear...you sound like a very professional counselor. And I'm in dire need of counseling, and you know that from a Topix post; you ARE good! Thanks for the lesson and the well wishes!
Anonymous

Bronx, NY

#637 Nov 3, 2012
dunkin wrote:
<quoted text>
Sweetheart, my dear...you sound like a very professional counselor. And I'm in dire need of counseling, and you know that from a Topix post; you ARE good! Thanks for the lesson and the well wishes!
You're welcome.
Lexington

Louisville, KY

#638 Nov 3, 2012
601 is a moron wrote:
#1 - Whether Ryan went to school with the attorneys and justice in this case is largely irrelevant...
The comparison to DUI's or drug conviction is irrelevant to this case...Apples and oranges--can't compare them. Which, btw, the reason drug addicts and DUI offenders often get out has nothing to do with favoritism, class status, etc. and more to do with the fact that most prisons in this country are at capacity.
#3 - As far as autopsy goes the fact this has not been released has nothing to do with a grand conspiracy against Shayne and everything to do with evidence protection....
I understand you have a different viewpoint and I do respect and agree with some of your thoughts.

Ryan going to school with attorneys or justice is very relevant. You say his ties to society are largely irrelevant. Well if an out of towner kills someone of a high regards within the community they tend to handle it a little different than If they killed a pedophile or drug dealer for example. Hell in texas they actually made a local man a hero after killing two robbers that weren't even near his house! If an out of towner comes into a society and kills a very respected member of your society they do handle things a little different. Judge Thomas even said so herself with the whole "she's an out of towner with no ties to this community" when asked about her bond increase and then removal all together. There are accused murderers awaiting trial out on the streets with $100,000 bail.(go ahead, type in $100,000 bail for murder in google) So explain a $5 million dollar bail? Nature of the crime? danger to society? Flight risk? Maybe that satisfies you, but I wonder the real reason.

After the grand jury decides wether or not they want to charge her with the prosecutors charges it will move to a jury trial. Then if the Jury finds her guilty of a murder or manslaughter charge the JUDGE will be the one to decide how she wants to handle the sentencing. The Judge possibly knowing Ryan CERTAINLY can affect her decision. Example, there's a judge in town that lost her son to a Drunk Driver, SHE THROWS THE BOOK AT EVERY DUI. Doesn't matter the case. Is that fair? Especially when another judge may "let you off on first offense or because the jails overpopulated."

I realize my comment on the grand jury was inaccurate and was me simply blabbering and sticking up for someone with questions I found relevant. The point I was trying to make was her high education and squeaky clean background would affect any jury members, attorneys, or judges view differently than if she was the meth head repeat convicted felon.(sorry for the really bad examples). Im not calling this "favoritism" but profiling, and almost everyone does it unfortunately. When you repeat offend a judge takes that into consideration and typically throws a harsher punishment (again profiling).

My comments about DUI offenders and OJ Simpson was not to debate a comparison of how serious the crime is but to make the statement that being able to afford a "good" lawyer never hurts and can certainly affect the outcome. I don't think the over population prison situation had a thing to do with OJs' acquittal and everything to do with the lawyer he could afford.

As for your #3 comment, I completely agree with you. Neither did I think or say I thought there is a conspiracy against shayna. I understand that information will not be released for the prosecutors reasons as I had stated previously. I agree the prosecutor would be a moron to release anything advantageous to her case, I mean his job is to try to convict shayna.

All respect to you and your thoughts... but no need for name calling
Lexington

Louisville, KY

#639 Nov 3, 2012
In a summary, all I was trying to say was there are many factors that play into the outcome. It is not black and white. If it were black and white the lawyer you hire wouldn't matter, the state which the crime was committed wouldn't matter, the victim, the accused, the prosecutor, the Judge, Shayna's background, Ryan's background, the extreme nature of the crime, and their relationships wouldn't matter. But they all do
Wondering

Richmond, KY

#640 Nov 3, 2012
Lexington wrote:
In a summary, all I was trying to say was there are many factors that play into the outcome. It is not black and white. If it were black and white the lawyer you hire wouldn't matter, the state which the crime was committed wouldn't matter, the victim, the accused, the prosecutor, the Judge, Shayna's background, Ryan's background, the extreme nature of the crime, and their relationships wouldn't matter. But they all do
Quite true and well said.
curious

Louisville, KY

#641 Nov 3, 2012
now the bond says "no bond" ?? any udates?
curious

Louisville, KY

#642 Nov 3, 2012
updates
yes

Louisville, KY

#643 Nov 4, 2012
Don't really care why she's being held without bond, she is clearly dangerous to anyone who doesn't give her what she wants.
convinced

Cincinnati, OH

#644 Nov 4, 2012
Lexington wrote:
<quoted text>
Judge Thomas even said so herself with the whole "she's an out of towner with no ties to this community" when asked about her bond increase and then removal all together. There are accused murderers awaiting trial out on the streets with $100,000 bail.(go ahead, type in $100,000 bail for murder in google) So explain a $5 million dollar bail? Nature of the crime? danger to society? Flight risk? Maybe that satisfies you, but I wonder the real reason.
After the grand jury decides wether or not they want to charge her with the prosecutors charges it will move to a jury trial. Then if the Jury finds her guilty of a murder or manslaughter charge the JUDGE will be the one to decide how she wants to handle the sentencing. The Judge possibly knowing Ryan CERTAINLY can affect her decision. Example, there's a judge in town that lost her son to a Drunk Driver, SHE THROWS THE BOOK AT EVERY DUI. Doesn't matter the case. Is that fair? Especially when another judge may "let you off on first offense or because the jails overpopulated."
I realize my comment on the grand jury was inaccurate and was me simply blabbering and sticking up for someone with questions I found relevant. The point I was trying to make was her high education and squeaky clean background would affect any jury members, attorneys, or judges view differently than if she was the meth head repeat convicted felon.(sorry for the really bad examples). Im not calling this "favoritism" but profiling, and almost everyone does it unfortunately. When you repeat offend a judge takes that into consideration and typically throws a harsher punishment (again profiling).
Just going to throw a bit of Kentucky Courts 101 in here..... Now that Shayna's case has been handed to the grand jury, Judge Thomas is pretty much out of it. Judge Thomas is a District court judge, after the testimony of the HH detective who pretty much just stated what Shayna's words were the night of the shooting, the district court had enough evidence to send it on to the Grand Jury, The Grad Jury will indict her and now Shayna's case will go on to one of the Circut court judges, Karen Thomas will have no part in Ms. Huber's sentencing when and if she is found guilty. Your words verbatim were "Then if the Jury finds her guilty of a murder or manslaughter charge the JUDGE will be the one to decide how she wants to handle the sentencing. The Judge possibly knowing Ryan CERTAINLY can affect her decision." Again, by the time Shayna would get to the sentencing phase of her case, Judge Thomas would not have any say in this case. There are two circut court judges in Campbell Co. both are very fair judges who have both had high profile murder cases in front of them. Look I am okay with your speculation on this woman getting a fair trial in a county that she did not live in but I have to say, Judge Thomas and both Circut Court judges are all three fair and honest people and well respected citizens of Campbell County. I think Shanya could have done a lot worse in the County she just so happend to commit her crime in. As far as her bond, yes, 5 million is a little high, no bond is just a wow factor but Shayna is not from CC and fleeing is a very good reason to up her bond, also the fact that she has been rumored to have a large amount of money would make me think that she might try taking the money and running. These reasons combined with the fact that the judge might also have considered factors that have yet to have been released to the media and public, all are good reasons to have set such a high bond or in this case no bond at all. I am by far worthy enough to even posish the judges bench but if I would have been sitting in it I would have handled everything in the same manner that Judge Thomas has so far.
Lexington

Louisville, KY

#645 Nov 4, 2012
convinced wrote:
<quoted text>
Just going to throw a bit of Kentucky Courts 101 in here..... Now that Shayna's case has been handed to the grand jury, Judge Thomas is pretty much out of it. Judge Thomas is a District court judge, after the testimony of the HH detective who pretty much just stated what Shayna's words were the night of the shooting, the district court had enough evidence to send it on to the Grand Jury, The Grad Jury will indict her and now Shayna's case will go on to one of the Circut court judges, Karen Thomas will have no part in Ms. Huber's sentencing when and if she is found guilty. Your words verbatim were "Then if the Jury finds her guilty of a murder or manslaughter charge the JUDGE will be the one to decide how she wants to handle the sentencing. The Judge possibly knowing Ryan CERTAINLY can affect her decision." Again, by the time Shayna would get to the sentencing phase of her case, Judge Thomas would not have any say in this case. There are two circut court judges in Campbell Co. both are very fair judges who have both had high profile murder cases in front of them. Look I am okay with your speculation on this woman getting a fair trial in a county that she did not live in but I have to say, Judge Thomas and both Circut Court judges are all three fair and honest people and well respected citizens of Campbell County. I think Shanya could have done a lot worse in the County she just so happend to commit her crime in. As far as her bond, yes, 5 million is a little high, no bond is just a wow factor but Shayna is not from CC and fleeing is a very good reason to up her bond, also the fact that she has been rumored to have a large amount of money would make me think that she might try taking the money and running. These reasons combined with the fact that the judge might also have considered factors that have yet to have been released to the media and public, all are good reasons to have set such a high bond or in this case no bond at all. I am by far worthy enough to even posish the judges bench but if I would have been sitting in it I would have handled everything in the same manner that Judge Thomas has so far.
I am starting think you all are really just trying to miss my point. I didn't say Judge Thomas will be the one to sentence her. I said "Then if the Jury finds her guilty of a murder or manslaughter charge the JUDGE will be the one to decide how she wants to handle the sentencing. The Judge possibly knowing Ryan CERTAINLY can affect her decision." This comment taken out of text isn't relevant on its own and was a comment to someone saying the Jury would completely decide her fate. The point I keep trying to get across was in defense to a person that stated money, family ties, and society ties play a role in her case. All of which unfortunately I agree with. Lawyers pull "favors" for other lawyers, jury or judge can be biased, and prosecutors give up cases to nail other ones to the wall. I never said anything Negative about anyone, as I am not from the area. Every lawyer I know up that way has nothing but good things to say about Judge Thomas (read my previous posts, I actually boasted her). Again, like the Judge I mentioned in lexington, outside influences play factors in a Judges decision. The Judge from lexington that rips first time DUI offenders a new one is also a very fair Judge. But I don't agree that she handles every case the same. Every Judge handles things different than the last, thats the point I was making. It's not black and white and every judge has influences that affect how they handle case. Shayna being and out of towner killing a productive member of society will weigh on minds differently.

continued...
Lexington

Louisville, KY

#646 Nov 4, 2012
As for the bond increase and then removal all together, you can believe what you will. This wasn't a random act of violence so I don't see her as a danger to society. It'd be very easy to put her at home arrest. I also find it interesting that a judge that was debriefed on her case and told not to decrease her bond, did so. And rather than re-raising to 2 she bumped to 5. Im sure a ton of info came out in that 12 hours that $3million more need to be tacked on. Im also sure she has a shitload of money and thats why she drives an old piece of shit honda. Again, you can believe whatever bs story you want, but I still question the truth. It may VERY well be the nature of the crime or info that isn't to be shared with the public yet (and most likely is). But like I said before Judge Thomas comment when asked about the increase was because "she's and out of towner with no ties to this community" or she "could be a flight risk." Shit Anyone can be a flight risk, especially after murder, but I highly doubt it with $2,000,000 on your head. But I never heard a release saying Thomas' reasons were "because of the nature of the crime, or because she came into a lot of money" lol. This is a girl with no criminal record, no past convictions, no nothing but a high education and good background.

There's a case right now where a 19 year old killed his step dad with an axe.$100,000 bond. Nature of the crime? Flight risk?
Another man is facing triple murder charges, arson, police battery, burglary.$100,000 bond.
Nature of the crime? Flight risk?
Babysitter smothers 2 year old.$100,000 bond. Nature of the crime? flight risk?
Man brutally murders 22 year old step daughter.$100,000 bond. Nature of the crime? flight risk?

Again, I apologize for questioning things.
convinced

Cincinnati, OH

#647 Nov 4, 2012
Nobody is really missing your point, you are concerned because the victim was an attorney and that he has family members that are attorney's and because of their occupations you are afraid that it might sway to their side in the Campbell County court. You believe that because These attorney's MIGHT have crossed paths somewhere at Chase School of Law with authority figures in the courts that it could sway the courts to be biased against Shayna, as far as the bond goes, There is an inmate in Kentucky State Womens prison right now who had a one million dollar bond, she made a big deal over her bond being so high and her judge pretty much explained, hey, thats the going bond for a murder charge around here. In fact the last two high profile murder cases in Campbell County the bonds were set a one million. Now, lets take the fact that Miss Hubers lives about an hour away and could possibly flee out of Campbell County's jurisdiction is a factor to raise it, the fact that again there are rumors that she might have access to 2 million dollars, well thats a no brainer but think about this, if you were a judge and had a murder suspect that admitted to killing someone by unloading a round of bullets into them point blank, would you want to take a chance at giving them a bond that they could possibly make then the person takes their millions and rides off into the sunset to never be seen again, HELL NO, I'm not saying this girl is a threat to soceity but she could very well jet off with her money. Thats not right, she needs to stand trial and let a jury find her guilty or not. Yes, there are a lot of factors that make her bond so high or revoked. SHE KILLED SOMEONE, maybe all of the other cases you are quoting bonds on are in other areas but each judge is entitled to decide what they feel is best, that is why they are called JUDGES! If Shayna is sweating it because she is afraid of impartial treatment in the county her attorney boyfriend lived in then she should have thought twice before she killed him and if you in any way know her or are related to her then shame on you, its black and white the girl needed help, where the fuck were you, now you have no other alternative to watch her sit in jail, well at least she will receive the help she needs there!
Lexington

Louisville, KY

#649 Nov 5, 2012
I love a good debate ;) I am of no relation to her. I knew her but not as well as some, only enough to voice my opinion. This whole thing is nothing I think anyone honestly expected. I was always kind to her and sympathetic towards others mean words directed at her. I never heard her say anything bad about anyone else, though she did fall into the gossip as most young girls do. Some others on this site obviously saw something different as I did and thats ok because things aren't black and white.

Your last post indirectly answered my point. I know she killed someone, I know she deserves to pay and not run off into the sunset. I think everyone understands that, but she deserves impartial treatment. She deserves to pay for the crime and do the time if the jury decides it is in fact murder after having all the facts presented. She hasn't been tried and hasn't been convicted. So my belief is she deserves impartial treatment just like anyone else who's committed murder until all the facts are on the table. If the facts lead to a conviction, I think she again deserves non biased treatment with the sentencing. Then you all can cast stones as you will.

The weird thing is, I actually agree with your main outlook of the situation. I think that unfortunately this looks like just cold blooded murder and she is certainly paying for it. But the side of me that questions things wonders if there is more. And the whole bond thing is crazy to me, even OJ had a $250,000 bond (I know he wasn't a flight risk). Im sure there are many influences, that no one knows, that led Judge Thomas to decide her bond should be $5 mil. I just wonder what they are. Though I'm not questioning her, I do question the situation.

I've been curious what others think and why. I've kind of played apologist for the sake of the debate. no disrespect to anyone, its been informative.
Mandy

San Leandro, CA

#650 Nov 5, 2012
Think about it wrote:
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This commentary almost leaves me speechless. I don't mean to sound harsh, but you have only stated opinion and have lacked all common sense/logic in your arbitrary reasoning. Making generalizations and comparing what happened in that apartment to a "car accident where you are not seriously injured" or a "argument that made you want to keep hitting your boyfriend" is irrelevant and not even close to comparable. After you shoot someone several times, it isn't gossip hour..you don't call your friends and family and fill them in on what happened..if you have any human compassion you do anything in your power to help that person. And what does it matter if she picked up the gun off of a table or got it from a locked safe...if she knew where he kept guns in the house (if he did) and that they were accessible to her, she wouldn't even have to do much to retrieve them. So that is in no way conclusive of murder or anything else for that matter.
Agreed!!!!
Questions

Louisville, KY

#651 Nov 10, 2012
Any updates on when the next court date is??
TUV

Jeffersonville, IN

#653 Nov 12, 2012
She has a 5 million dollar bail bc they're worried about her leaving or killing herself I assume
Just curious

Louisville, KY

#654 Nov 14, 2012
TUV wrote:
She has a 5 million dollar bail bc they're worried about her leaving or killing herself I assume
She has no bail. The judge removed it at her last hearing, ensuring that she would stay put until the grand jury decides to move to a trial.
Katie

Jeffersonville, IN

#655 Nov 14, 2012
Her bail was revoked, yes; mainly because of the heinous crime committed (when cause of death and preliminary reports were released,) as well as the two million dollars Shayna was bragging about 'coming into' a few weeks before Ryan was shot. Her Aunt has a home in Hawaii, & along with her parents home in Lexington, plus the 'alleged' cash monies, she would have been able to post bail, at the $2 million mark. I was also told it could've been posted at the $5 million mark. However, yes, I do believe the judge has made it quite clear that although Shayna is not on "suicide watch" currently, due to several statements about 'wanting to die' and her mood swings & hysterics, bail was revoked for partially this reason (complete cover). Campbell County wants to see that Shayna is tried there, in their community, in Ryan's home. The judge will say "flight risk, danger to community, danger to self, etc., however it is 99% to keep her in CCo. to see local justice fulfilled.
wondering

Tucker, GA

#656 Nov 14, 2012
Where is this $2 million rumor coming from? And from what or whom did she allegedly receive it?

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