Lexingtonian

United States

#574 Oct 26, 2012
Yeah I played devils advocate against the Shayna haters... Sooo... How about those Steelers!?
Ted

Cincinnati, OH

#575 Oct 26, 2012
"Taken into account everything I've read from both sides, albeit, I'm slightly biased, I just feel that no matter how disturbed or jealous or threatened she was, she had ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to shoot to kill. She could have shot his leg. Or arm. Or anywhere else. But instead she chose to shoot his FACE."

Or how about no right/justification/excuse to shoot AT ALL. Period. Verbal abuse in absolutely no way warrants any violent, physical response. Verbal abuse at most warrants the "verbally abused" to remove himself/herself from the situation. At any rate, I imagine the verbal abuse was similar to the following: "get the fuck out of my condo." Evidence for this proposition is the fact that he tried to lock himself in his room to hopefully drive home the point that she is not welcome, and thereby implicitly trying to get her to get the fuck out of his condo on her own accord.
If she really was offended by this alleged "verbal abuse," then she should have just left; not shoot the man -- in any part of his body -- while he sat innocently at his kitchen table.
She deserves the death penalty. But, in KY, the DP has been given only twice in the last forty years...
SickSadisticBitc h

Ottawa, Canada

#576 Oct 26, 2012
Ted,
I agree completely, you are absolutely right. She shouldn't have shot him at all. Anyone with human compassion and heart (and brains) would have just walked away from the situation. But, I don't know what really happened that night, and so, I'm just speculating on a worst case scenerio.(eg. He was pointing a gun at her, or threatened her with another harmful object, in the midst of lunging at her, etc, etc). And if it actually was self defense as she claimed, she had so many other places to shoot him, just enough to immobilize him, then get the fuck out and run for her life. That's what I would do if I felt like my life was in danger. My first instinct would not be to shoot to kill, it would be finding ways to GET THE FUCK AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE. And if left with no choice and I happened to get a hold of a weapon, in this case, a gun, I'd shoot at a foot or a leg and run. In my opinion, she shot him in cold blood and meant to kill him. Who defends themselves by shooting six rounds into someone, who apparently was unarmed. It's bogus. Total bullshit. It's not even a crime of passion, or as some of you have suggested that she "snapped". I think, she didn't get her way, being a spoiled only child, got mad, and made it so that she could get her way.
"Put him out of his misery"....How evil is that. Let's pretend her first shot was an accident, wouldn't her first reaction be to grab a phone and dial 911? Or scream for help? Try to stop the bleeding? Instead, she SHOT HIM AGAIN. She deserves, at the very least, to spend the rest of her life in prison, never to see light of day again.
Hooper

Cincinnati, OH

#577 Oct 26, 2012
As has been said before, if you feel your life is in danger and you have a gun, you aim for the center of the target. Aiming for the leg or arm or or even the head highly increases your chances of getting maimed, raped or killed because you will probably miss. This was likely a very close quarters struggle (if there even was a struggle) and maybe she got lucky and hit his head...BUT I don't buy that self defense bullshit in this case. Bitch is clearly batshit. A sane person, after losing their shit and shooting their boyfriend in the face, wouldn't keep shooting him.

I think I'm like the 52nd person to say repeat these thoughts, but I thought it was worth reiterating that when in peril, you shoot to kill...not that I think she was in peril.
anon

Lexington, KY

#578 Oct 26, 2012
PICS from the court room yesterday... http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121025/N...
anon

Lexington, KY

#579 Oct 26, 2012
SickSadisticBitch wrote:
Ted,
I agree completely, you are absolutely right. She shouldn't have shot him at all. Anyone with human compassion and heart (and brains) would have just walked away from the situation. But, I don't know what really happened that night, and so, I'm just speculating on a worst case scenerio.(eg. He was pointing a gun at her, or threatened her with another harmful object, in the midst of lunging at her, etc, etc). And if it actually was self defense as she claimed, she had so many other places to shoot him, just enough to immobilize him, then get the fuck out and run for her life. That's what I would do if I felt like my life was in danger. My first instinct would not be to shoot to kill, it would be finding ways to GET THE FUCK AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE. And if left with no choice and I happened to get a hold of a weapon, in this case, a gun, I'd shoot at a foot or a leg and run. In my opinion, she shot him in cold blood and meant to kill him. Who defends themselves by shooting six rounds into someone, who apparently was unarmed. It's bogus. Total bullshit. It's not even a crime of passion, or as some of you have suggested that she "snapped". I think, she didn't get her way, being a spoiled only child, got mad, and made it so that she could get her way.
"Put him out of his misery"....How evil is that. Let's pretend her first shot was an accident, wouldn't her first reaction be to grab a phone and dial 911? Or scream for help? Try to stop the bleeding? Instead, she SHOT HIM AGAIN. She deserves, at the very least, to spend the rest of her life in prison, never to see light of day again.
Did you not see yesterday a detective said she told him she gave him the nose job he always wanted. she was def aiming for his face...
Just curious

Bowling Green, KY

#580 Oct 26, 2012
SickSadisticBitch wrote:
Ted,
I agree completely, you are absolutely right. She shouldn't have shot him at all. Anyone with human compassion and heart (and brains) would have just walked away from the situation. But, I don't know what really happened that night, and so, I'm just speculating on a worst case scenerio.(eg. He was pointing a gun at her, or threatened her with another harmful object, in the midst of lunging at her, etc, etc). And if it actually was self defense as she claimed, she had so many other places to shoot him, just enough to immobilize him, then get the fuck out and run for her life. That's what I would do if I felt like my life was in danger. My first instinct would not be to shoot to kill, it would be finding ways to GET THE FUCK AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE. And if left with no choice and I happened to get a hold of a weapon, in this case, a gun, I'd shoot at a foot or a leg and run. In my opinion, she shot him in cold blood and meant to kill him. Who defends themselves by shooting six rounds into someone, who apparently was unarmed. It's bogus. Total bullshit. It's not even a crime of passion, or as some of you have suggested that she "snapped". I think, she didn't get her way, being a spoiled only child, got mad, and made it so that she could get her way.
"Put him out of his misery"....How evil is that. Let's pretend her first shot was an accident, wouldn't her first reaction be to grab a phone and dial 911? Or scream for help? Try to stop the bleeding? Instead, she SHOT HIM AGAIN. She deserves, at the very least, to spend the rest of her life in prison, never to see light of day again.
I have resisted the urge to post my opinion on this matter for nearly two weeks now. During which time, I have been in complete shock as to the events surrounding the night that this innocent man was murdered. Yes. Innocent. Because it would appear Ryan's only "crime" was that he no longer wanted to be with Shayna. A "crime" anyone on the dating world has committed or been a victim of.

Perhaps what has been, and continues to be, so difficult for me is that I know Shayna. I have known her since she was in high school and have always thought she was a sweet girl. She has always gone out of her way to speak to me and seemed genuinely concerned about how I was doing. The Shayna seen, as a product of this incident, is far from the girl I thought I knew. And it is disappointing. And scary. It makes me paranoid, as I now question my own ability to judge ones character.

I believe she murdered Ryan. I do not believe it was an act of self defense. Rather, I think she showed up at his home, he rejected her, she got upset (in balcony crying), went back inside to attempt to keep him. He again rejected her, she pulled at his shirt begging him to be with her, he continued to reject her and told her to leave. In an act of desperation, she took the gun and began shooting. I am sure the first shot took her by surprise, but she was in such a dejected, jealous fit of rage that she wanted to finish what he had started. I believe she panicked when the reality of her actions began to set in and she called her mom. Thus promoting her, too late, to call 911.

I do not doubt that she has experienced a range of emotions since committing this crime, and I am sure the reality that is slowly setting in is unsettling to her. If you know Shayna, you know that she does not exactly "fit in" with the jail population. I am sure that she is being advised to claim self defense in the hopes that she will get minimal sentencing. Regardless, she has ruined her life as her reputation is marred. She will never be able to attain the things she wanted for her life. In jail or otherwise. She made a split-second, selfish choice because at the mere age of 21 she was rejected by someone she thought she loved. I cannot imagine having to bare that weight on my conscience every day.
Newsie

Cincinnati, OH

#581 Oct 26, 2012
http://nky.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20121025...

It's interesting that her lawyer says, "that's their side"... and that Shayna's side will come out. It's not like the police officer gave a theory... he was testifying as to what she told him. I hate when defense attorneys act like the prosecution is "out to get" their client... what reason would this police officer have to take a "side" other than the side of truth? If there were some evidence that she had acted in self-defense, I am sure the police would be sympathetic to that. It is not him taking sides... it is him relaying what he was told. I feel so sorry for Ryan. I hope he didn't know she was going to shoot him. The bedroom thing makes me wonder if he was trying to get away.
Again

Grove City, OH

#582 Oct 26, 2012
Newsie wrote:
http://nky.cincinnati.com/arti cle/AB/20121025/NEWS010704/310 260044/
It's interesting that her lawyer says, "that's their side"... and that Shayna's side will come out. It's not like the police officer gave a theory... he was testifying as to what she told him. I hate when defense attorneys act like the prosecution is "out to get" their client... what reason would this police officer have to take a "side" other than the side of truth? If there were some evidence that she had acted in self-defense, I am sure the police would be sympathetic to that. It is not him taking sides... it is him relaying what he was told. I feel so sorry for Ryan. I hope he didn't know she was going to shoot him. The bedroom thing makes me wonder if he was trying to get away.
Exactly! And did you people look at her pictures from court yesterday? She looks totally pissed and defiant. She has NO REMORSE for what she has done. Wouldn't everyone with a moral compass agree that you'd be bawling your eyes out? What an evil human being.

Casey Anthony has nothing on her. Are we sure she graduated college? Because even local Lexington news has not picked up that information yet. I think her whole life has been one long fabrication. Much like Ms. Anthony's.
Just curious

Bowling Green, KY

#583 Oct 26, 2012
Again wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly! And did you people look at her pictures from court yesterday? She looks totally pissed and defiant. She has NO REMORSE for what she has done. Wouldn't everyone with a moral compass agree that you'd be bawling your eyes out? What an evil human being.
Casey Anthony has nothing on her. Are we sure she graduated college? Because even local Lexington news has not picked up that information yet. I think her whole life has been one long fabrication. Much like Ms. Anthony's.
She graduated from UK, she was enrolled in grad classes at EKU, as classmates from EKU have commented on their shock and one of her lab partners made a tweet about her.

I've wondered about the crying as well. Was she trying to look stoic and melted afterwards? Did the cameras not get pictures of her showing emotion? Has she convinced herself that she is innocent, thus the detectives testimony made her angry?

I'll be curious to hear "her side" of things. I'm sure it will be one doozy of a story. She may want to start trying to secure character witnesses now...
defense

Lexington, KY

#584 Oct 26, 2012
SickSadisticBitch wrote:
Ted,
That's what I would do if I felt like my life was in danger.
You have no idea what you would do if your life was in danger until it is. I don't believe hers was in danger at all, but I do know that you don't have the luxury to take time to calculate where you want to aim when your life is on the line.
well

Lexington, KY

#585 Oct 26, 2012
Newsie wrote:
http://nky.cincinnati.com/arti cle/AB/20121025/NEWS010704/310 260044/
It's interesting that her lawyer says, "that's their side"... and that Shayna's side will come out. It's not like the police officer gave a theory... he was testifying as to what she told him. I hate when defense attorneys act like the prosecution is "out to get" their client... what reason would this police officer have to take a "side" other than the side of truth? If there were some evidence that she had acted in self-defense, I am sure the police would be sympathetic to that. It is not him taking sides... it is him relaying what he was told. I feel so sorry for Ryan. I hope he didn't know she was going to shoot him. The bedroom thing makes me wonder if he was trying to get away.
That's the defense's job. They have to pick a defense and try to build on and run with it no matter how absurd they believe it is themselves. What else can they do?
Curious

Saint Petersburg, FL

#586 Oct 26, 2012
How do I get to her instagram pictures.
watcher

Whitley City, KY

#587 Oct 26, 2012
Just curious wrote:
<quoted text>I have resisted the urge to post my opinion on this matter for nearly two weeks now. During which time, I have been in complete shock as to the events surrounding the night that this innocent man was murdered. Yes. Innocent. Because it would appear Ryan's only "crime" was that he no longer wanted to be with Shayna. A "crime" anyone on the dating world has committed or been a victim of.

Perhaps what has been, and continues to be, so difficult for me is that I know Shayna. I have known her since she was in high school and have always thought she was a sweet girl. She has always gone out of her way to speak to me and seemed genuinely concerned about how I was doing. The Shayna seen, as a product of this incident, is far from the girl I thought I knew. And it is disappointing. And scary. It makes me paranoid, as I now question my own ability to judge ones character.

I believe she murdered Ryan. I do not believe it was an act of self defense. Rather, I think she showed up at his home, he rejected her, she got upset (in balcony crying), went back inside to attempt to keep him. He again rejected her, she pulled at his shirt begging him to be with her, he continued to reject her and told her to leave. In an act of desperation, she took the gun and began shooting. I am sure the first shot took her by surprise, but she was in such a dejected, jealous fit of rage that she wanted to finish what he had started. I believe she panicked when the reality of her actions began to set in and she called her mom. Thus promoting her, too late, to call 911.

I do not doubt that she has experienced a range of emotions since committing this crime, and I am sure the reality that is slowly setting in is unsettling to her. If you know Shayna, you know that she does not exactly "fit in" with the jail population. I am sure that she is being advised to claim self defense in the hopes that she will get minimal sentencing. Regardless, she has ruined her life as her reputation is marred. She will never be able to attain the things she wanted for her life. In jail or otherwise. She made a split-second, selfish choice because at the mere age of 21 she was rejected by someone she thought she loved. I cannot imagine having to bare that weight on my conscience every day.
You make it sound like you were there. How could you possibly know what happened?
Dunbar grad

Lexington, KY

#588 Oct 26, 2012
Her instagram is Shayna_4891
Just curious

Bowling Green, KY

#589 Oct 26, 2012
watcher wrote:
<quoted text>You make it sound like you were there. How could you possibly know what happened?
Re-read my post. I said, I think and I believe this is what happened. Never once, I know. It's my opinion based on what I've read and know of her, which I posted on a forum of opinions.

I wasn't there and do not know what happened. Thank God...I am haunted enough by this as it is. Thanks.
Crazy Talk

Indianapolis, IN

#590 Oct 27, 2012
For Ryan to even think or want a nose job is insane. His nose complimented his beautiful smile.
anonymous32234

Alexandria, KY

#591 Oct 27, 2012
Birkenhauer testified shayna shot ryan from across his kitchen table not once, but six times, with at least three guns found residing in the condominium. Her story has been inconsistent to what she told the police telling at least 3 different stories and even admitted to tearing ryans shirt during the argument. This sounds far from self defense...
white man

Nicholasville, KY

#592 Oct 27, 2012
if she goes to pee wee valley those girls will ride her face all night
Lexington News

Nicholasville, KY

#593 Oct 28, 2012
Have you noticed that the Lexington Herald Leader and the Lexington TV stations have not kept this story on the forefront? Could it be that they don't want to glorify a killer? The sad thing is that Shayna was a physically attractive woman who had achieved a college degree and now will have nothing to show for her life other than the label of "killer." The photos show a woman who has no remorse. What was Ryan's crime against her? So what if he didn't want to be with her. If her personality had matched her appearance, she could have had a good man. If her personality had matched her appearance, Ryan may have been more interested himself. No matter what he said to her that night, he did not deserve to die in his own apartment. We have all been rejected and we have all rejected someone in our lifetime. My feeling is that the reason you don't see much about this story in Lexington's news outlets is because Shayna is an embarrassment to this city. Normal people do not behave the way she has behaved.

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