FormerQuester

Versailles, KY

#105 Feb 28, 2010
IattendQuest wrote:
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If you left Quest without fulfilling your i2 commitment then you are part of "confused's" problem too. If you say you were released from your commitment when you left then try explaining that to "confused." I'm giving my $ to Jesus and you were supposed to be too. If you want to chip in, former quester, you are welcome to email me too.
I know what I pledged and I am behind on it due to lots of unforseen events and bad money mgmt on my part. What I pledged was too Jesus and between Him and me and this is what I'm moved to do. I can act or I can blame my church, leaders, etc. I choose to do my part. If you haven't done yours and want to help out send me an email. Thanks.
You are correct it is between you and Jesus. Just as what I do with my commitment is between me and Jesus. I do give my money to Jesus and he has released me from my financial commitment to QCC. I respect that you wish to help "confused" but you do still support the ministry of QCC. On God's direction, it is no longer a ministry I support (by attendance or by finances).
Questioner

Nicholasville, KY

#106 Feb 28, 2010
I think the issue is--Is the money you give to Quest going to Jesus, or is it going to Pete Hise? If one doesn't mind that their donations allow Pete to live in luxery, then that is their decision, and that decision should be respected. And, conversely, those that wish their donations to be used toward helping the needy should be respected also.
IattendQuest

Brea, CA

#107 Feb 28, 2010
That's right. How silly of me to forget that Quest doesn't help the needy. I must have been dreaming when I saw Quest helping people in India and Haiti, the men's and women's Hope Centers, the Rescue Mission, God's Pantry, Chrysalis House, and others.

It's obvious that in the eyes of all the ex questers, questioners, quest shun, etc, that no answer or evidence from a current Quester will never be enough; that Quest will be critiqued, ridiculed, etc, until you get bored and move on. So have at it. If this is what helps you feel good then have a blast. We'll just keep helping people into a relationship with God through Jesus and partnering with the people who want to do the same thing.

And "Confused," you are still welcome to contact me.

God bless you all.
Searching for Truth

Amelia, OH

#108 Feb 28, 2010
It's really hard to really give your money to Jesus at Quest, when you felt coerced into giving money to I2. Jesus has released me from my commitment and I don't consider it contributing to Confused's problem. It is Leadership's problem - due to poor management and guilt tripping they have gotten themselves in this place. It is not my fault they have been financially irresponsible. Maybe if they let others in, they wouldn't be in this place.

Quest has serious problems, and to quote a youtube video, "Quest, you are a cult!"
truthinlight

Lexington, KY

#109 Feb 28, 2010
Oh no, I believe in asking questions. All people should ask questions. I am just aking your motivation for asking them and that you look at what you are asking. I stand by Quest ad it's decisions because I honestly believe it is what is best for the church. Why does it matter what they buy? If they are putting money in and they did then why does it matter how much they spend on anything. Also, it says in the bible many sold possesions to follow Jesus. I think that may actually be what Pete was saying not to actually sell houses. But to make sacrifice so others can find peace and love in Christ that you have.
truthinlight

Lexington, KY

#110 Feb 28, 2010
I think it is funny that the amounts the houses they built cost or the amount owed on the lien changes. I also think it is sad when you say you will do something and choose to bail on it and your reasoning is it isn't my problem I said I would help but now choose not to. How do any of you know the houses they were in before didn't cost more and they buiolt to downsize. If Pete was so worried about money whyt become a pastor, he works more hours doin way more and gets paid less.
PVA_Data

Andrews, TX

#111 Mar 1, 2010
truthinlight wrote:
I think it is funny that the amounts the houses they built cost or the amount owed on the lien changes. I also think it is sad when you say you will do something and choose to bail on it and your reasoning is it isn't my problem I said I would help but now choose not to. How do any of you know the houses they were in before didn't cost more and they buiolt to downsize. If Pete was so worried about money whyt become a pastor, he works more hours doin way more and gets paid less.
Here is public data from the Lexington PVA website ( www.fayettepva.com ). You can also search at the www.kentucky.com website as well for property data.

On 5/6/2008, the Clement's sold a house on 4000 Kenesaw Dr for $198,900 and purchased a house at 4400 Biltmore Pl for $316,000 on 5/8/2008.

On 3/27/2008, Pete Hise sold a house on 3960 Kenesaw Dr for $193,500 and purchased a house at 4408 Biltmore Pl for $324,000 on 3/28/2008.
sad but true

Andrews, TX

#112 Mar 1, 2010
Personally, I don't have an issue with a pastor owning a house that costs 300k. However, I do have a problem with a pastor asking his/her congregation to downsize at the same time that he/she is clearly upsizing. The other problem with this is that there were volunteers who were sacrificing money and time who were given the "entrustment" of moving their pastors into their new homes during I2. All of this seems like really bad judgement at best and a lack of integrity at worst.

Furthermore, Pete gets compensated very well. His salary is in six figures; he gets a vacation bonus and a yearly bonus; he receives multiple gifts every year (at anniversary and at the end of the Accelerate year); he has an administrative assistant, a sermon prep assistant, and a PERSONAL assistant. He is the CEO, CFO, COO, and the head of the board of directors. He sets his own schedule (which according to many pastors that I've heard teach on the subject of the church, Pete's schedule is too work-focused and not family-focused enough). I can't imagine a job where Pete would have this kind of freedom, power, and compensation.

I say all of this truthinlight to help you to see that everything is not as it seems. Ask questions. Ask to see the budget. I know your heart is to trust those who lead you and I believe that is a right inclination. But for those of us who have left, we didn't leave because we had vague suspicions about how the church was operating. Many of us had direct knowledge of these issues and couldn't in good conscience continue to support a ministry that was lacking in integrity in these key underlying areas.
Confused

Lexington, KY

#113 Mar 1, 2010
truthinlight- I don't want your money. All I want is for YOUR church to do the right thing and pay thier bills. If this was any other buisnes besides a church, it would have been taken away from you by now. I can not fathom the idea of a church stiffing people like Quest church has done. It is not right, it is not christian, and it is illegal. Why in the world would you, who has given much to the church, offer to help me and not encourage the church to do the right thing? You seem to be "enabling" them to keep doing what they are doing. I am not asking for the money, I am asking for the members of Quest to do the christian thing and ask that thier church live up thie thier aggreements. That is all. And for the record, the contract that Quest has is with the LCM company. All of the subcontractors were working for LCM company. When Quest stiffed LCM, LCM couldn't pay the subs. There are a LOT of contractors hurting fromt his. I think the roofers were owed $300,000 at one point. And we get a letter from LCM begging us (the subcontractors) to not file a lien becasue Quest is "trying". I am "trying" to make my house payments and I am "trying" to keep this comany afloat while they sit back with thier vacation bonus' and 6-figure saleries. How can the people who attend Quest every weekend sit there and be alright with this? Truthinlight, I don't think you can cover what Quest owes me, much less the other contractors that are owed money. Many of these contractors are hurting right now and it is because of Quest church. We worked our a$$es off to make sure Quest was happy and was getting what they wanted in thier church. And how are we repaid? Thanks a lot truthinlight, you are doing nothing but enabling them. If you really, really, REALLY wanted to make things right with me, stand up in front of the members of Quest next Sunday and ask them why the contractors who built that beautiful new building are still owed money and why our livlyhoods are in jeopardy when Pete is sitting pretty. Can you do that for me?
IattendQuest

Mount Sherman, KY

#114 Mar 1, 2010
sad but true wrote:
Personally, I don't have an issue with a pastor owning a house that costs 300k. However, I do have a problem with a pastor asking his/her congregation to downsize at the same time that he/she is clearly upsizing. The other problem with this is that there were volunteers who were sacrificing money and time who were given the "entrustment" of moving their pastors into their new homes during I2. All of this seems like really bad judgement at best and a lack of integrity at worst.
Furthermore, Pete gets compensated very well. His salary is in six figures; he gets a vacation bonus and a yearly bonus; he receives multiple gifts every year (at anniversary and at the end of the Accelerate year); he has an administrative assistant, a sermon prep assistant, and a PERSONAL assistant. He is the CEO, CFO, COO, and the head of the board of directors. He sets his own schedule (which according to many pastors that I've heard teach on the subject of the church, Pete's schedule is too work-focused and not family-focused enough). I can't imagine a job where Pete would have this kind of freedom, power, and compensation.
I say all of this truthinlight to help you to see that everything is not as it seems. Ask questions. Ask to see the budget. I know your heart is to trust those who lead you and I believe that is a right inclination. But for those of us who have left, we didn't leave because we had vague suspicions about how the church was operating. Many of us had direct knowledge of these issues and couldn't in good conscience continue to support a ministry that was lacking in integrity in these key underlying areas.
Sad but True-
Thank you for sharing your information without insults. It is refreshing to see on here. I really mean that. Thank you.
quest church attendee

Lexington, KY

#115 Mar 1, 2010
Ok, I know nothing about the Hise house but, I can tell you from first hand knowledge about the Clements house.

We all know that during I2 Pete had purchased a new house. at that same time Pete had told Sharon and Paul that they needed to move into the same neightborhood as him becuase it would make it easier to work on church items.

Paul and Sharon were trying to come up with any money they could to sacrifice to support I2 so after careful prayer they decided to sell their house and use the equity they had built up to support I2.

So as you can see Paul and Sharon are actually deeper in debt because of the move then they were before.

Confused

Lexington, KY

#116 Mar 1, 2010
sorry.. in my above post I mentioned truthinlight and I meant to reference IattendQuest. My apologies. iattendQuest, everything I stated above was toward you (and the rest of the Quest attendees)
Ex-Quester

Lexington, KY

#117 Mar 1, 2010
quest church attendee: You say "Pete had told Sharon and Paul that they needed to move into the same neighborhood..." That is the flimsiest reasoning I've ever heard for moving! Their houses would have been less than two miles apart if the Clementses had remained where they lived. And there are these devices called telephones and computers that can allow for instant communications.

Are Quest's leaders in the habit of ignoring the wisdom of the financial guidance in Proverbs regarding debt?

IattendQuest: Let me apologize to anyone if they feel my comments have been expressed with insults. I've tried to present my arguments dispassionately; it may be that I've fallen short.

PVA_Data: Thanks for this information. It appears the extravagance shown by Pete and Sharon was even greater during the I2 pledge campaign than I had thought. Again, where's the "sacrfice" by the lead pastor; and where is the financial wisdom of the worship pastor and the church's treasurer?
Confused

Lexington, KY

#118 Mar 1, 2010
You want to know the bad part? I actually thought about going to see what Quest was about when we were working on the project. "A church for people who don't like church" sounded interesting. I was going to go to a service and check them out and see if I would enjoy thier service. And then, they stiffed us. Now, not real inclined to attend a Quest service. They just don't seem to live up to the christian values I think a church should.
Ex-Quester

Lexington, KY

#119 Mar 1, 2010
I just had a thought!(Now, be nice...) Remember when Jesus said foxes had lairs but He had no place to lay his head? I betcha that's why Pete built that new larger house, so Jesus would have a place to stay!

Sorry about the glibness. It's just that I do get a little impatient when I hear truthinlight making excuses for Pete. Pastor Hise appears to be following the example of Jim Bakker more than Jesus. And before truthinlight says God is rewarding Pete for effective ministry, let me remind truthinlight that Jesus told us to store our treasures in heaven, not on earth where they rust, rot or are subject to be stolen.

BTW, I find it amusing that The Uprising's Web site asks if people are tired of slogans and cliches. After years of "It happened once...", "the Year of the Jump", "the *next*" (used as a noun, not an adjective) and all of the other little catchphrases that Quest foists on Questers, you'd think Pete, Sharon and Helen would think twice about seeming to criticize slogans and cliches. Every year, Quest comes up with a new phrase or two, and wrings the life out of them.

Also, how come leadership never mentions the Man O' War property anymore? Who owns that now, anyway?

And don't think I'm going to let the series of issues I posted Saturday fade away. I'll repost them every week, until I've heard they're being addressed. No need to thank me. Just think of Topix as Quest's Wittenberg door, and the issues posts as Ex-Quester's "95 Theses."
truthinlight

Lexington, KY

#120 Mar 1, 2010
Confused, I only asked who was talked to because I will gladly give you names of others or even talk to the leaders that haven't been spoken with on the behalf of LCM and ask what happened. I have seen budgets before for Quest and I have no complaint on what the budget is set as. Yes, I believe Pete has itvery good but when he started Quest he didn't and I don't believe his intentions have changed over the years at all. I do stand by my leaders and my church. I have asked many question over the years and will continue to do so. I also know even with the questions I am asked I am still very welcomed and loved. And I apologize if anybody feels insulted I am very passionate about Quest and the people there. I am one of many whose life has been changed by that Church and the love and community they give. I do believe that yes they should have downsized instead of upsized but at the some time if Pete makes six figures a year and agreed to a six figure contribution then he probably has the money to upsize without sacrificing his part to the I2 fund. As for Sharon it is sad to know that she is in debt but at the same time even you admit she is still stickin to her I2 contribution. So, if they put themselves in debt to have the house and the church how can you chastise them? How can you say you left without finishing your contribution but the leaders are wrong in buying houses but still sticking to their I2 promises.
sad but true

Andrews, TX

#121 Mar 1, 2010
When I made my I2 commitment, I made it to the Lord and to the building of the kingdom. My family has decided to keep that commitment, but not to Quest. We are giving that money to other kingdom advancing organizations instead.

Because we believe that Quest is not following biblical principles regarding debt and finances and because there are many other issues (such as church governance, leadership principles, and the view of family and marriage) that we find unbiblical, we could not give our money to support the ministry there.

There is no perfect church, that is true. My desire is simply that the leaders at Quest would simply begin addressing and responding to the issues that many have brought to them since leaving.
quest church attendee

Lexington, KY

#122 Mar 1, 2010
Ex-Quester wrote:
quest church attendee: You say "Pete had told Sharon and Paul that they needed to move into the same neighborhood..." That is the flimsiest reasoning I've ever heard for moving! Their houses would have been less than two miles apart if the Clementses had remained where they lived. And there are these devices called telephones and computers that can allow for instant communications.
Ex-Quester-I know it sounds bizaar, it sounded bizaar to me as well when I heard it, but you also know that Billy moved into the same neighborhood.

I was told that Pete felt that the leaders needed to be close together. so after careful prayer Paul and Sharon decided to move.

All I am telling you what I was told. this is first hand knowledge not hearsay.

Ex-quester, you know who I am, so you know I'm not lying.
Ex-Quester

Lexington, KY

#123 Mar 1, 2010
truthinlight, your post (#120) reveals one of the issues I have with Quest: the idolatry of Quest. Quest's leaders have made it all too easy for Questers to attribute to Quest the changes in their lives. Quest hasn't changed anybody; Jesus has, and the Holy Spirit has. It's good that you met Jesus at Quest, but Jesus took the nails.
Ex-Quester

Lexington, KY

#124 Mar 1, 2010
quest church attendee, I apologize if you interpreted my post as saying you were lying. I did not mean to imply that. I was expressing amazement that an elder in the church, and a pastor, would make that kind of decision. Perhaps the Holy Spirit did lead them to make that decision; I hope He did. But that would appear, to me, to be inconsistent with Scripture.

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