info

Frankfort, KY

#292 Apr 26, 2010
For those of you who have stated Quest's budget is too vague and purposefully broad, take a look at Elevation Church's financials. You won't see much difference.

http://www.elevationchurch.org/content/docume...
KY Colonel

Lexington, KY

#294 Apr 26, 2010
QUESTion,

My view on all the legalism and hoop jumping is the need to have total control. We need your tine and money but not your input. In all my volunteering, things were tightly controlled.

There is a reason QCC is called "The church of the last minute" Top leaders do not trust middle leaders, who in turn do not trust the volunteers.
I shutter to think about the time and money wasted waiting for 'direction' from ON HIGH!!!

You are not the first to compare QCC with the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.

BTW, QCC is affiliated with the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination. If you haven't heard of them it is probably because they more churches overseas than in the United States.
getoverit

United States

#295 Apr 26, 2010
KY Colonel wrote:
QUESTion,
My view on all the legalism and hoop jumping is the need to have total control. We need your tine and money but not your input. In all my volunteering, things were tightly controlled.
There is a reason QCC is called "The church of the last minute" Top leaders do not trust middle leaders, who in turn do not trust the volunteers.
I shutter to think about the time and money wasted waiting for 'direction' from ON HIGH!!!
You are not the first to compare QCC with the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.
BTW, QCC is affiliated with the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination. If you haven't heard of them it is probably because they more churches overseas than in the United States.
Give it a rest, Dan. You seem to be falling into the trap of over-exageration. You an question ought to look up the definition of legalism. There are no rules at Quest or works required to have a relationship with Christ. There has to be structure in the church for it to operate.
-For those tempted to believe all the gossip and misinformation about Quest here, you'll see that other churches have been slammed on Topix such as Southland Christian Church. Who's next? Crossroads? Emmanuel? Keep attacking if you want. You're just encouraging people to not check out church at all. God have mercy on you.
Ex-Quester

Henderson, KY

#296 Apr 27, 2010
It’s been a few weeks since I posted this, so it’s time to repost.
I raise these issues is because I still love the people who attend Quest. I’m not the only person – who either has left Quest or is still there – who has these questions and understands that these are major issues that reflect on the spiritual integrity of that church.
So, let’s clarify what the issues are, so Quest’s leadership can understand the issues they need to be addressing:
 The church’s governance: Is it biblical for one person to choose the board of elders and/or the core management team? Does that make for wise decision-making or does it make, potentially, for rubber-stamping? Isn’t there a strong potential for conflict of interest when the church’s treasurer (Paul Clements, a good man) is married to the church’s second-highest officer/pastor? Much of these issues would be corrected if Quest had actual members to whom they would be accountable.
 Leadership’s credibility: Is it, or is it not, hypocritical for Quest’s pastors call for Questers to make sacrifices (sell homes to move into smaller places, sell cars, cash in retirement funds and children’s education accounts) to support the Imagine 2 building campaign, while the pastors themselves are building new,$285K houses and allow Accelerators to pitch in and buy $10K+ entertainment centers and flat-screen TVs? Then there’s the added issue of going on Disney World vacations after the pledge drive that was built on encouraging Questers to make sacrifices.
Ex-Quester

Henderson, KY

#298 Apr 27, 2010
 The lack of any formal Bible study opportunity. Quest’s leaders have said offering Bible study would distract from its primary mission: to win people to Christ. But Quest’s mission statement is “transforming unconvinced people into wholehearted followers of Jesus.” They call Quest an “Acts 2 church,” but the passage they cite talks about the teachings that new and existing believers received. While Quest has been effective in bringing people to Jesus, its discipleship has been woefully inadequate. All of Quest’s efforts are directed at bringing new people into volunteer positions and into lifegroups that focus on regurgitating the weekend sermon. The fact is, a lot of the messages that come from the pulpit are based on misrepresenting the verses upon which the messages are built. Jeremiah 29:11 is not a promise to us; if read in context as it should be, it is God speaking to the Jews who are going into decades of exile in Babylonia. Matthew 3:17 is not God speaking to each of us, it is God the Father speaking specifically to Jesus the Son; should we really be encouraged to put ourselves on the same level as Jesus, our Savior and Lord? Perhaps the pastors are concerned that having a congregation that is steeped in Scripture would prevent the pastors from being so free-wheeling in their messages.
 The encouragement of idolatry at Quest: How many times has Pete said from the pulpit,“Don’t you love your church?” The fact is, Quest hasn’t done a thing for anybody. Any good that Quest has done has been a result of the work of the Holy Spirit. It is true that Quest has been blessed by the Holy Spirit, but how long will that last if Quest’s leaders continue to put Quest and Pete Hise on pedestals?
These are a few issues that have arisen because of the actions and goings-on at Quest, not because disgruntled former Questers are making a stink. By not raising these issues, ex-Questers and active Questers are enabling Quest’s leadership to continue operating with little to no accountability and, in fact, to grow worse. If Quest truly wants to be a regional influence, Pete and the other leaders need to repent, confess and submit themselves to a new governance structure and theological structure that establishes real accountability. Despite what they may think, this would actually benefit both leadership and Questers alike.
Ex-Quester

Henderson, KY

#297 Apr 27, 2010
 The financial integrity of the church: In November 2009 – 18 months into Imagine 2 and two months after the new building opened – Quest’s leaders announced to the congregation that the church had obtained the loan it needed. The pastors did not announce the amount of the loan. Fayette County Clerk’s Office records show the loan was for $13.5 million. At that same time, Quest was saying it had collected between 31 to 33 percent of the pledges; that would be about $4.2 million of $12.6 million. If they had paid on the building costs, that would mean there was about $8 million still outstanding. Why was the loan for $5.5 million more?(There may be legitimate answers to these questions, but, as exemplified by truthinlight’s post above, there’s no need for Questers to ask the questions.)
 The secrecy in the church: Why does Quest’s leadership hold the church’s budget and financial statements so close to their vest? Quest is not a private business, but it conducts itself as though it is. Questers are not permitted to know how much the pastoral staff and regular staff are paid in salaries and bonuses. They are not permitted to know how much money is being disbursed for individual ministries and missions support. Questers have not been told the exact cost of the new building – either the original estimate or the final costs, and how the final cost was influenced by design and construction changes (or how those design and construction changes differed from the original design). They don’t even know the monthly cost of maintaining the building.

This is important because while Quest’s leaders encourage Questers to trust them, several New Testament passages (that are never mentioned from the pulpit) tell us that believers must hold their leaders accountable. The church’s current structure guarantees there will be no leadership-to-Quester accountability.
KY Colonel

Lexington, KY

#299 Apr 27, 2010
Getoverit,

Looked it up:

Legalism: strict, literal, or excessive conformity to the law or to a religious or moral code <the institutionalized legalism that restricts free choice>

Structure: something arranged in a definite pattern of organization

So, maybe I was a little harsh in applying the legalism label. You are right that it is more a structure, please accept my apology. In my defense; with the placement in life group, without input from the person being placed; the whole recruitment of volunteers system, and questioning of ones relationship with Christ, if you don’t agree or you happen to ask the wrong question (my experience, maybe not yours). Sorry, but maybe you can see my confusion.

As for the question of salvation, I would agree that QCC does not apply any additional requirements. However I did find that if my confessional prayer happened in the presence of “leadership” it was much less likely to be questioned than when my prayer happened elsewhere.

Interesting the last few post from Q-defenders in Frankfort have been comparisons to other churches. Thought QCC was different; for people that don’t like church; not what you would expect; and now we find that they are just like Elevation, Southland and who knows who is next? Crossroads? Emmanuel? Don’t get your shorts in a wad, it is hyperbole. Just interesting those comparisons are made.

Maybe I ain’t the only one that needs to give it a rest. BTW, Mother and Father chose not to name me Dan, or Daniel or even Danielle. Finally, God has shown great mercy toward me.

Later!
Fyi

United States

#300 Apr 27, 2010
Colonel-
Decide what you want. You and other posters want Quest to be like other churches with their budget and then when Quest posts a budget similar to other churches then that doesn't please you either. Why don't you start your own church? Seems that's the only way you'll be happy is if you run the whole organization.
Concerned

Lexington, KY

#301 Apr 28, 2010
info wrote:
For those of you who have stated Quest's budget is too vague and purposefully broad, take a look at Elevation Church's financials. You won't see much difference.
http://www.elevationchurch.org/content/docume...
I'm not sure that this is the concern...needing to compare financial records with other churches. If Quest so desires to be set about from other churchs and be a "church like no other,, "then wouldn't it make sense for them to go above and beyond in every area. I also find icleaver that the financial budget, as vague as it is, was not posted until all the concerns being raised by some still attending Quest and of course us ex-Questers. People are not speaking about their concerns out of spite or for some need to seek revenge but instead maybe in turn want Quest Leaders to recognize where things fell short, and acknowledge the dissension that they themselves contributed to. But instead they want to act like there is not a problem. The sad part is that if not careful it could ultimately one day lead to Quest doors shutting, as they so often speak of others churchs consistently shutting their doors. And ultimately those Quest Leaders will have to be held accountable when they meet their maker, as the Bible clearly states. And in that I know I can rest assured that either way God's hand is in it. You see, God can be fully present and working in people in chruches, but it doesn't mean that leadership is all kosher. Just some thoughts.
Concerned

Lexington, KY

#302 Apr 28, 2010
getoverit wrote:
<quoted text>
Give it a rest, Dan. You seem to be falling into the trap of over-exageration. You an question ought to look up the definition of legalism. There are no rules at Quest or works required to have a relationship with Christ. There has to be structure in the church for it to operate.
-For those tempted to believe all the gossip and misinformation about Quest here, you'll see that other churches have been slammed on Topix such as Southland Christian Church. Who's next? Crossroads? Emmanuel? Keep attacking if you want. You're just encouraging people to not check out church at all. God have mercy on you.
OMG!!! If YOU don't like what people are saying on here then maybe you out to be the one to give it a rest. And really can you be a bit more tactful in telling someone "May GOd have mercy on you?" Why do you even participate. Shouldn't you be spending the time you are on here at Quest cleaning or putting up lights that may save lost souls?
info

Frankfort, KY

#303 Apr 29, 2010
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG!!! If YOU don't like what people are saying on here then maybe you out to be the one to give it a rest. And really can you be a bit more tactful in telling someone "May GOd have mercy on you?" Why do you even participate. Shouldn't you be spending the time you are on here at Quest cleaning or putting up lights that may save lost souls?
Wow, Natasha, I didn't realize you could be so rude. Sad for you...
Concerned

Lexington, KY

#304 Apr 29, 2010
info wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, Natasha, I didn't realize you could be so rude. Sad for you...
You are right. It was rude and it was out of frustration and anger, as many of the other comments are as well. I however will not point fingers and place names on people when not 100% certain of who they are and can only make assumptions based on writing and location. And so before you decide to point a finger, please make sure you know without a doubt who it is you are pointing at.

Your comment made me realize this though...my comment being straight forward and blunt is "rude" and yet yours, as settle as it is, is nothing more than emotional manipulation.

BUT I have realized this...I'm done. This is...all this...is stupid and it's childish. I will continue to pray for Quest, Quest's leaders, and those attending Quest. But I'm putting my relationship with Jesu at risk...and for what? A few comments here and there. Not worth it. I hope everyone else too can realize this. Good luck to all!

PS No need to respond to this as when I say I'm done, I am done. I will no longer be coming around this site.
sad but true

Adel, GA

#305 Apr 30, 2010
info wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, Natasha, I didn't realize you could be so rude. Sad for you...
As usual somebody from from Quest is using manipulation and intimidation to illicit fear from someone and keep them from posting. I'm sure "info", if the person wanted to be identified he would have used his name. How ironic and cowardly you are to use someone's name without identifying yourself. I would certainly be interested in your biblical basis for this cowardly post.
Agree

Jasper, IN

#306 May 1, 2010
sad but true wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual somebody from from Quest is using manipulation and intimidation to illicit fear from someone and keep them from posting. I'm sure "info", if the person wanted to be identified he would have used his name. How ironic and cowardly you are to use someone's name without identifying yourself. I would certainly be interested in your biblical basis for this cowardly post.
I have to agree
Lost

United States

#307 May 1, 2010
Damn I just wanted somewhere to worship god!!!! Boy this discussion really helped. It is just to complicated, everyone has an agenda don't they, themselves!!!!! I'll just stay lost.

Since: Mar 10

Nicholasville, KY

#308 May 1, 2010
B Perry wrote:
I attended quest for 4 years. it is a cult. I had to have permission of what to buy at the grocery store. I was expected to call my "life group" leader when i wanted t buy an alcoholic beverage. at first it was okay for me to be gay. but after a while, even though my "life group" leader, Justin McCarty made jokes about gays, it was time for me to be cleansed and made whole as a straight man.
I am a gay man and will not attend a church that does not accept me as I am.
Zach

Cincinnati, OH

#309 May 1, 2010
I opened this thread because I have had one experience going to that church to appease my friend and was freaked out by how "cult-ish" it felt that I will never go back. Crazy to see that most of the responses are quite similar, and that I'm not alone.

First off, I go to church regularly, just not at Quest. Even so, I'm constantly hassled by my friend to attend Quest and to quit going to my current church which feeds me spiritually and allows me to worship in a way that I'm satisfied with. He constantly points out the faults in my own church and tells me I need to go to Quest instead. Why would he do this? The only reason is that Quest is a borderline cult and they feel that their way is the only way. My understanding has always been that as long as you're a Christian and get your sustenance from your church, then that's fine. I don't try to convert other people to my church, so why do they constantly feel the need to do so?

Another thing I really have an issue with is that I went to their website to find out about their pastor. I was lead to a separate website, petehise.com . The guy has his own website?! And in the "about" section, it talks about his accomplishments and how he's led all these people to Christ through his efforts. It's pure propaganda. Shouldn't a pastor be less about himself, and more about Christ? Shouldn't a pastor have the humility to be a follower himself? Why does he have to exalt his own abilities on his own website? To quote the site directly: "His dynamic teaching, compelling leadership and authentic relational evangelism have shaped the heartbeat and DNA of Quest – transforming unconvinced people into wholehearted followers of Jesus." He takes all the credit for Quest and the spiritual lives of its followers. Nowhere is there any credit to the great things God has done for him or in helping shape Quest... all the glory goes to Pete Hise. It's not much different than the money-stealing televangelists. Don't believe me? Go to the site itself.

Lastly, my friend and his wife told me they donated $1,000 to them in their last fundraiser. They're also both unemployed with a kid. The church should be helping them out, not guilting them into giving money they don't have to the church. That place makes me sick for what they do to well-intentioned people who don't know any better. And after reading this, I see the members paid 30 grand for a car for their pastor... how nauseating.

Since: Mar 10

Nicholasville, KY

#310 May 1, 2010
Concerned in Lexington wrote:
I also hear that a lower level leader was reprimanded for getting pregnant and not asking leadership for approval (the person is married).
I also have several friends that work at The Melting Pot in Lexington. Apparently Pete is a pretty rude guy and likes to spend tons of money when he goes out there. Two servers told me that the Quest leadership routinely has late night meetings at The Melting Pot (ahummmm a 4 star restuarant...seems like a waste of church resources). The restaurant is open until 11, but on multiple occasions Pete and the gang are there until 1:00am...hmmm I'm sure the guy making $2.13 per hour (maybe not a Christian) appreciates not getting home to his family because they are figuring out new ways for people to "deal with the cross."
I have worked in the restaurant business in the past and it is just plain rude to stay till 1am when It closes at 11. For that matter coming in shortly before closing is rude. The only way I can see people redeeming themselves for such behavior is give a very generous tip, I would say $100 would be fair enough, less than that for staying there for you would just be rude!
QUESTion

Lexington, KY

#311 May 2, 2010
KY Colonel wrote:
QUESTion,
My view on all the legalism and hoop jumping is the need to have total control. We need your tine and money but not your input. In all my volunteering, things were tightly controlled.
There is a reason QCC is called "The church of the last minute" Top leaders do not trust middle leaders, who in turn do not trust the volunteers.
I shutter to think about the time and money wasted waiting for 'direction' from ON HIGH!!!
You are not the first to compare QCC with the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.
BTW, QCC is affiliated with the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination. If you haven't heard of them it is probably because they more churches overseas than in the United States.
Thank you colonel. Quest tried to convince my wife that she was not saved. I strongly disagree with that. Also we did not take communion in the months we were there. There was no one on one Bible study. I am trying to help a friend get into a BIBLE STUDY church right now. She grew tired of Quests need to be "savior". Also, the strong weight put on entertainment value. I am not trying to slam quest, simply to tell the truth!
Kim1970

Frankfort, KY

#312 May 2, 2010
I will state first I do not go to Quest I have not went to church in 10 years..love god...just dont go to church....but my ex-husband ...his soon to be wife and my three young adult sons do.At the time me and my ex-husband parted ways I was a youth leader at our southren baptist church...they turned thier back on me when this happen so now I have not been to church for 10 years. My ex took our sons to baptist curch after baptist church and to tell you the truth it was more like work for my sons going cause they were bored until Quest came along. I can thank Quest now for giving my sons a reason to enjoy sundays and the change in my sons by the way they treat others now from what they have learned. All I have heard on this post is issues about money...are you people that bored with your own church lives or lifes you need to make some kind of scandal this is speaking from someone that dose not go to church.

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